General more important then assisting a Realm

[Aries202]

Not a rant, just an observation I've made since my return.

So it seems in my realm atleast, that team work is needed to invade.. up untill we're going for generals. Everyone is blinded my their main objective. I've seen people dead for the duration of the time we're in the town up untill we leave, unnoticed by our realm mates more focused on killing the general.

I don't know, I'm old fashioned, I'm always looking around the area for what ever reason... just in case someone IS dead on the floor and needs a revive.

Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the new Warmaster update, but man for what it's worth. I've seen people get fustraited because Ex: We rush inside Realm's territory, some people get left behind because everyone's primary target is the general. When someone dies, knowing he could have been helped, especially when his army is right infront of him, but seeing as they're too focused in one direction they're never noticed. Thus leading to that player(s) to stop helping. I've had a clan mate flip out off of one invasion, because of the lack of help.

This update is affecting other realms also, such as Alsius. They have no hope for themselves anymore.

And Syrtis, they have a WM that prefers to do his own thing with his clique.

I'm down for invading an enemy realm and collecting gems, and also killing their generals. City wars are always fun imo, but meh people really need to stop being blinded by this update, for their success.

P.S: I'm sorry, forgot to include this is on the Horus server

[Kitsuni]

This is all true but I wouldn't say it ignoring your realm. That person needs WM points to become a Warmaster, howeever bloodthirsty and ignorant they may become during that time, ultimately if they become a Warmaster they are likely to assist the realm alot more than they ever did as a normal player. It's mainly because players that this happens too are not so great players to begin with regarding teamwork, and I doubt many of them do alot in actual war, so giving them some support skills might encourage them to help a bit more.

The rest of the issues you listed happen all of the time in every war. Perhaps less in other realms than Alsius, but they are still an old problem.

[DemonMonger]

Not a rant, just an observation I've made since my return.

So it seems in my realm atleast, that team work is needed to invade.. up untill we're going for generals. Everyone is blinded my their main objective. I've seen people dead for the duration of the time we're in the town up untill we leave, unnoticed by our realm mates more focused on killing the general.

I don't know, I'm old fashioned, I'm always looking around the area for what ever reason... just in case someone IS dead on the floor and needs a revive.

Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the new Warmaster update, but man for what it's worth. I've seen people get fustraited because Ex: We rush inside Realm's territory, some people get left behind because everyone's primary target is the general. When someone dies, knowing he could have been helped, especially when his army is right infront of him, but seeing as they're too focused in one direction they're never noticed. Thus leading to that player(s) to stop helping. I've had a clan mate flip out off of one invasion, because of the lack of help.

This update is affecting other realms also, such as Alsius. They have no hope for themselves anymore.

And Syrtis, they have a WM that prefers to do his own thing with his clique.

I'm down for invading an enemy realm and collecting gems, and also killing their generals. City wars are always fun imo, but meh people really need to stop being blinded by this update, for their success.

P.S: I'm sorry, forgot to include this is on the Horus server

People leave me dead all the time. The old days of honor and respect have vanished with the new arrogant ignorant selfish players of the new generation. Now server is full of money grubbing greedy scammers.

Realm members even have the nerve to come sit on me and say "eat my D*<K" when I die, or haha that what you get for being out of fort. (Not noticing that it was me helping them escape before I lagged and died)
They just don't care.
I also saved someone in invastion and then they turn and left me to fend for myself with no mana vs a fresh player..

[Aries202]

Last night was very coordinated. Everyone's objective was the general, but after we took control of the gems. I didn't see one person get left behind(unless they wanted to). No one hogged the general this time. Shoot DM, it went so smooth, even with your lag you would have been successful. xD

I feel though as if we might make Alsius quit though, some of them tried their best last ight, but the numbers were against them. Now they have a -25% of exp deduction. I hope this is for the better though. Atleast you guys tried to invade us last night.

Syrtis well, they almost got us. ;)

[w_larsen]

i dont think anyone would quit over the fact of -25% xp itself. what kinda hurts is the intention of blanket hurting weaker realm "because you can". remembering, how i felt when alsians chose -xp for someone, i'm glad, im not iggie anymore.

[Kitsuni]

i dont think anyone would quit over the fact of -25% xp itself. what kinda hurts is the intention of blanket hurting weaker realm "because you can". remembering, how i felt when alsians chose -xp for someone, i'm glad, im not iggie anymore.
Problem is something happens once and Ignis players just keep bringing it up again and again, using it as a justification for their actions. Believe it or not, a select group of Ignis players who will not be named had already decided to give Alsius -XP at every possible oppertunity just because we did it once to them over a year ago.This combines with the group who thinks that if they give us -XP, it will somehow make us war more even though you lose far more XP from war with it than from mobs. Its this retarded thinking that results in the actions that are undertaken in the game these days - frustrating, stressful actions that help no one. They don't even help the realm (usually Ignis) making the wish to hurt enemy realm, and in fact can make even their own players come complain on the forums because then no Alsians log on and they can't complete their quests.

Oh yes, there's lots of Alsius playing yet some Ignis and Syrtis come to the forums and complaint about not being able to complete their quests... what? As I said, it's just retarded. There's no point to it all, just random childishness mud throwing. Players who obviously think that the best way to win the "War" is to run all the enemy players away in a psychological battle rather than actually facing them in game. That is why these votes really happen. At the dragon wish where Alsius was given -XP for the first time after the update, after Ignis had already made the same wish against Syrtis and already knew full and well that it was bugged; only a single Ignis clan, out of all of the players gathered at the dragon, were against giving us -XP, knowing that it was bugged. Everyone else was ecstatic. And the irony is, that clan that didn't want to do it was the one who provides the most horsepower behind Ignis invasions; that's right, their own realm would not honor the wishes of the majority of the players who had helped to get the gems to begin with.

Alsius is far from the only realm with problems, its just that our numbers make them more obvious, as they have more impact.

[isgandarli]

; only a single Ignis clan, out of all of the players gathered at the dragon, were against giving us -XP, knowing that it was bugged. Everyone else was ecstatic.

Question: If -XP is still bugged, so why NGD didn't fix ot on 1.7.2 Hotfix 1 or before events (Alienware and Easter)?

Answer is simple: It's not a bug and it should be so.

- Cnekmp

[_Nel_]

Question: If -XP is still bugged, so why NGD didn't fix ot on 1.7.2 Hotfix 1 or before events (Alienware and Easter)?

Answer is simple: It's not a bug and it should be so.

- Cnekmp

http://www.seriousinjurylaw.co.uk/fimg/250x250/2473/800038796-Umbilical-cords-may-offer-brain-injury-treatment.jpg

Nah even if I try to watch very carefully, there is nothing inside Cnekmp's head.

[VandaMan]

Problem is something happens once and Ignis players just keep bringing it up again and again, using it as a justification for their actions.

Why do we need to justify anything? We vote for the xp penalty because it's an option, and it's the one we like.

Believe it or not, a select group of Ignis players who will not be named had already decided to give Alsius -XP at every possible oppertunity just because we did it once to them over a year ago.

I wish you would name this group, because I'm not aware of this and I'm in Ignis. In fact it seems nobody in Ignis is aware of this. How large is this select group? 2? 3?

This combines with the group who thinks that if they give us -XP, it will somehow make us war more even though you lose far more XP from war with it than from mobs.

You don't lose experience. Gaining experience from war is a nice bonus, but I seriously doubt there is anyone warring because they want to level. Do you really get negative xp and then say to yourself, "well shit, we have the xp penalty, I think I'll go grind instead of war." That makes a whole lot of sense. There's nothing retarded about thinking an xp penalty would make you want to war more, it discourages grinding and encourages you to prevent us invading in the future. I think most have given up thinking that there is anything that will get you to war more anyway.

Its this retarded thinking that results in the actions that are undertaken in the game these days - frustrating, stressful actions that help no one. They don't even help the realm (usually Ignis) making the wish to hurt enemy realm, and in fact can make even their own players come complain on the forums because then no Alsians log on and they can't complete their quests.

Oh yes, there's lots of Alsius playing yet some Ignis and Syrtis come to the forums and complaint about not being able to complete their quests... what? As I said, it's just retarded.

I never have trouble completing my quest. Sometimes the Alsius don't wanna come out to play though, and we have to invade to get them to fight back. If I haven't been getting enough at aggers, I'll usually find quite a few new ones that weren't helping trying to defend the gate or camping the noble.

Players who obviously think that the best way to win the "War" is to run all the enemy players away in a psychological battle rather than actually facing them in game. That is why these votes really happen. At the dragon wish where Alsius was given -XP for the first time after the update, after Ignis had already made the same wish against Syrtis and already knew full and well that it was bugged; only a single Ignis clan, out of all of the players gathered at the dragon, were against giving us -XP, knowing that it was bugged. Everyone else was ecstatic. And the irony is, that clan that didn't want to do it was the one who provides the most horsepower behind Ignis invasions; that's right, their own realm would not honor the wishes of the majority of the players who had helped to get the gems to begin with.

If it's true that some players are trying to defeat Alsius with psychological tactics, making them ragequit so we don't have to face them in game, then you are only aiding their cause by constantly spamming the forums with your nonsensical whiny drivel and bullshit. Which clan was against giving you -XP? You just made that shit up.

Clan members don't all vote the same way, and nobody was standing at the dragon trying to convince anyone not to vote for -xp. I genuinely have no idea which clan you're talking about. No one clan provides the most "horsepower" for our invasions. We're a pretty even mix of pwnie and apocalypse, with lots of high levels and leaders in darkness and 7th circle, and lots of others. As for not honoring "the wishes of the majority," do you actually know how a vote works? See what happens is everyone chooses their favorite option, and then everyone's choice counts for 1 vote, and the one that gets the most votes wins. I'm pretty sure we honored the wishes of the majority.

[NotScias]

Question: If -XP is still bugged, so why NGD didn't fix ot on 1.7.2 Hotfix 1 or before events (Alienware and Easter)?

Answer is simple: It's not a bug and it should be so.

- Cnekmp

What does the wish say ? -10% exp, not -10% minimum and up to -200 or -300%...
How was it working before the WM update ? 10% of the total earned experience is deducted from it, and even if you get only partial exp from the kill (grinding in party).
Did the WM update modify the wish(es) ? No.

Conclusion : Only utter retards would think it's not a bug.

Stop being douchy kids laughing and poorly justifying when non-normal crap happens to others without making the simple effort to see it from others' point of view, because you would cry and complain aswell if not more if that happenned to you.

[fluffy_muffin]

Why do we need to justify anything? We vote for the xp penalty because it's an option, and it's the one we like.

Why does dog lick his balls? Cause he can.

You don't lose experience.

Yes you do.

[VandaMan]

Yes you do.

No you don't. You can get more -rlm on an individual kill than you gain from it, but not only would you have to try very hard to have a net loss, but you're only losing as much from the rlm bonus bug as you were gaining from the same bug when you had underpopulation bonus. The bug has the same scope in both directions, and you've had a lot more +rlm than you have -rlm.

[isgandarli]

http://www.seriousinjurylaw.co.uk/fimg/250x250/2473/800038796-Umbilical-cords-may-offer-brain-injury-treatment.jpg

Nah even if I try to watch very carefully, there is nothing inside Cnekmp's head.

Please, be kind to others. Keep in mind that:

1) This is a game
2) I didn't tell something against your personality



Stop being douchy kids laughing and poorly justifying when non-normal crap happens to others without making the simple effort to see it from others' point of view, because you would cry and complain aswell if not more if that happenned to you.

I'll not complain, don't worry for me. Besides i told that: NGD could fix this bug (as you say), but it still remains almost a month and there is no official answer or fix.

- Cnekmp

[Awrath]

Question: If -XP is still bugged, so why NGD didn't fix ot on 1.7.2 Hotfix 1 or before events (Alienware and Easter)?

Answer is simple: It's not a bug and it should be so.

- Cnekmp

Oh wow, that must explain why NGD didn't fix the sorting of event chocolates, or why NGD didn't fix the numerous precise block bugs, or why NGD didn't fix the positioning bugs when you knock an enemy, or why it's possible to stay alive with 0 health, or why people have immunity for a brief period after casting horse. I'm sure I've missed a few bugs, but these have been around a while longer.

It's quite obvious that since NGD didn't fix these bugs either, then they must not be bugs, right, but features? Awesome argument.

This discussion has been raised far too often now, it's quite obvious that negative XP is a bug. Sure over time the net XP is positive, but the fact that you can get negative XP is a bug.

[isgandarli]

Sure over time the net XP is positive, but the fact that you can get negative XP is a bug.

Agreed :wish:

- Cnekmp

[fluffy_muffin]

You don't lose experience.
Yes you do.
No you don't. You can get more -rlm on an individual kill than you gain from it,

So you don't but yet you do.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103454/the-chewbacca-defense

[VandaMan]

So you don't but yet you do.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103454/the-chewbacca-defense

Don't play dumb, you intentionally only quoted half the sentence. You can lose xp on an individual kill, but in the long run you're still gaining. It's not that difficult to understand.

[mr_scsi]

.... only a single Ignis clan, out of all of the players gathered at the dragon, were against giving us -XP, knowing that it was bugged. Everyone else was ecstatic. And the irony is, that clan that didn't want to do it was the one who provides the most horsepower behind Ignis invasions;


You could not be more wrong if you had tried. You must have done the post grad MSU program at some school. MSU = Making Shit Up.

There were MANY clans against giving anyone a -xp vote, in fact most were shouting for +gold for ignis as it was the only NON malus vote available. The fact that you got -xp was spread across many and ALL clans.

I, unlike you, was there and for the record I voted +gold for ignis.

[isgandarli]

I, unlike you, was there and for the record I voted +gold for ignis.

Syrtis... :facepalm3: