Bilbo Baggins once said....

[yeah-baby]

"You know gandalf,i feel kind of stretched,thin if you would.like butter spread out over too much bread.i feel thin."
that one statement is how RO is feeling to alot of players old and new.
too many servers catering for too many time zones.that only caters for scenario's like this infamous ignis night crew and other situations of the like.
its a fact horus is dying,i noticed NGD conveniently closed that thread with the poll.
some people made valid cases for a marge with raven.
my question isnt should they merge.its what the heck was raven created for at this time?
maybe in the future i can see the need for a server like raven,but currentlly not!
NGD,why oh why do you keep expanding like bilbo describes?
to build a house thats big and grand,a house to rival all others,you must first have solid foundations and a great plan to work from.
no offence intended here NGD,but you seem to lack both right now!
revert the game back to its old self,pre warmasters update,and even far beyond that too.
fill your servers with people from all countries.on a global scale
oh and one last thing...
a better net code and less memory leaks would surely help alot too :P

[HidraA]

Hmmm...you know lots of people read forums before begin to play a new game to see opinions of player about the game.

Negatives poll mania and spamm of crie threads dose not help at all this kind of bussiness.
If Horus dying some of ppl can considere theyself guilty to have a part for this.

The real issue it's just not Horus die as i told before...the real issue it's the gameplay mechanics.

The Gameplay....

If this game was before in Tops of my games because of dynamical combat .."move and hit" ,cast wile running etc etc not imply monoton stay and hit like turns based game,because alway loved to play 3D shooters (Quake,Unreal) was the only one game that satisfy me about fast gameplay with lots of action.Also was a game that was very calculated and users was able to build they setups chosing from a large variety of skills/attributs.

Unfortunaly action become once with each update more static.
Calculating skills almoust gone,moust of attributs become useless.
Massive wars that not imply too much action or roll of each ppl in war ,and push ppl to push random buttons...just become boring and very static game

Thats my opinion why hours has low activity.The main issue it's gameplay and new updates with how hard it's for a persone to find action in WZ.

[Wield_II]

That's not going to happen, and you know it.

[bois]

Horus is not dying. It can have that perception because people are spread thinly across the map and while the population may be no less or even more, it does not have enough to give that alive feeling. At least when the war focused on a few points and transport was slower you could "see" people. The server may be empty as heck but everyone was in one place so it felt "full".
Now, it needs triple the population to get that same feeling with the new game mechanics.

The fact that the game mechanics do not allow a natural trickle type build up of armies like it used to causes this empty server feeling. The game is too fast to allow war to build. As such the attrition and grind of war (and subsequent rush of adrenaline from victory) is gone. Victories feel hollow. That is the problem. Yeah we took the fort back .. Yawn.

My general feeling is that we have roughly the same amount of people (possibly more) than we had before but they are in cliques all over the map. This is not bad in theory but because of a general low population that always existed, the critical mass needed to make wars is generally not there except for a few peak times. The fact that players can warp all over the map does not help to build attrition in spots either.

The idea was to prevent massive imbalances at forts and allow the war to be spread over the map quickly causing armies to split and as such better war with less one sided victories. Looks good on paper. Human nature is hard to calculate though.

This is why portals do not work as intended. The speed up of wars at forts without building the enjoyment that comes before it or even after. Instant gratification and the crash that comes right after it. On horse you had to be alert, senses were peaked, possibility of war at any moment, any where. I rode from Ignis gate to Algaros the other day solo and untouched. Yawn.

This is why new saves do not work as intended. The build up for war is not there. The build up is broken with having to reset at gates or elsewhere and broken into groups of 10 per portal. It is not easy to build tactics around such fragmentation of concentration. Groups are hard to manage as is without the distractions. The gap in transport options between armies cause frustrations.
My current mantra. Speed does not always = fun.

Half the fun is getting there.

[HidraA]

Horus is not dying. It can have that perception because people are spread thinly across the map and while the population may be no less or even more, it does not have enough to give that alive feeling. At least when the war focused on a few points and transport was slower you could "see" people. The server may be empty as heck but everyone was in one place so it felt "full".
Now, it needs triple the population to get that same feeling with the new game mechanics.

The fact that the game mechanics do not allow a natural trickle type build up of armies like it used to causes this empty server feeling. The game is too fast to allow war to build. As such the attrition and grind of war (and subsequent rush of adrenaline from victory) is gone. Victories feel hollow. That is the problem. Yeah we took the fort back .. Yawn.

My general feeling is that we have roughly the same amount of people (possibly more) than we had before but they are in cliques all over the map. This is not bad in theory but because of a general low population that always existed, the critical mass needed to make wars is generally not there except for a few peak times. The fact that players can warp all over the map does not help to build attrition in spots either.


100 % agree with this part !

I have no issue with horn of wind...if is givet to 1 class and not to all.(as it's was before only to barbarians..was better.
Teleoprt are fun....but as bois told it's a issue for our large area of war raported at number of player on this server.
So balance of that it's to take ride of teleporters.

[yeah-baby]

Originally Posted by bois
Horus is not dying. It can have that perception because people are spread thinly across the map and while the population may be no less or even more, it does not have enough to give that alive feeling. At least when the war focused on a few points and transport was slower you could "see" people. The server may be empty as heck but everyone was in one place so it felt "full".
Now, it needs triple the population to get that same feeling with the new game mechanics.

The fact that the game mechanics do not allow a natural trickle type build up of armies like it used to causes this empty server feeling. The game is too fast to allow war to build. As such the attrition and grind of war (and subsequent rush of adrenaline from victory) is gone. Victories feel hollow. That is the problem. Yeah we took the fort back .. Yawn.

My general feeling is that we have roughly the same amount of people (possibly more) than we had before but they are in cliques all over the map. This is not bad in theory but because of a general low population that always existed, the critical mass needed to make wars is generally not there except for a few peak times. The fact that players can warp all over the map does not help to build attrition in spots either.
i dont disagree with what you said.
but you didnt really get my point i suspect.
regardless of why this is occouring,which is many factors anyways.the painful truth is,horus is dying.long term players and new players alike,are finding it harder and harder to play and achieve the same level of satisfaction they recieved before this farse we call warmasters came.
we can discuss the why's and therefor's,but facts are facts.
Raven has stolen alot,add to that the natural attrition rate,the lack of enjoyment under populated realms feel.the game isnt dead by any means.
but its heading that way.
im scared NGD wont see this,thier lack of feedback is a concern too.too long they remain silent.
Now regnum players are spread out too thinly over too many servers,thats a recipe for disaster.mark my words!
i know of games far bigger than regnum,they get by with only 2-3 servers,and NONE are segregated like regnum is.

[HidraA]

......
i know of games far bigger than regnum,they get by with only 2-3 servers,and NONE are segregated like regnum is.

I will comment only this.Others point allrady commented.

You cannot compare others games with regnum.
Regnum has unique style and gameplay.
Wile others games are manga-cartoon-style,that i apreciate in Regnum it's maturity of graphics.
And ofc it's everythink about fashion.It's cartoon style age.
If you make a poll about ppl that play regnum to see age and ocupation of them you will be stunned maybe.At least in Horus.


Wile others games play categories are :
-kids that play for fun.
-premium people.
-ppl that prefer turn based games.
-ppl that love cartoons...etc
-or ppl that play only to be cool as his friends;

In Regnum you will see:

-Linux users;
-Programers;
-Ppl from country with low lvl of life
-Lots of mature ppl that spend they free time having some fun;
-ppl that play for fun
-ppl that use regnum as alternative to facebook(this one lowered once with general chat lose from WZ)
-Artists;
maybe other categorys.

Also about tons of servers....don't forget athoers games have cap limit of ppl that connect to a server.In regnum atm is none.

[bois]

I do think I got your point.

Why stretch what is already thin, thinner. Is that the general idea?

Net code. Could be better but, not really. NGD is building code to cater for their home base (Argentina, South/ central America. The code has to somehow work for these players and still work for those sitting in Europe who are much closer to the server. My ping sits at ~290 and I am In Trinidad and Tobago. This country sits about 10 miles from Venezuela.
I could easily imagine those South of me having higher ping. They have to be accommodated. This is why the net code is so difficult.

If you said game play was dying I would be more inclined to agree with you. It is the constant decline of quality game play (as old players knew it) that is causing a constant wane. Horus is not dying, the unique and special type of game play Regnum presented to the marketplace is.

In order to compete and possibly due to investor pressure NGD had to start moving towards the other titles in terms of style. In this process they are gradually moving away from the winning basic formula that made this game so infectious to start with. The style that made this title a cult classic.

The funny thing is that NGD has the right target audience. They had the Linux crowd (which is a growth market), programmers, designers, professionals and people seeking a game that is not overrun with retarded and spoiled children. They have people with disposable income. This was the market to grow and target hard. This is the market with staying power and which will continue to grow. The teenie bopper market is always in flux and a win today could mean epic failure tomorrow. That market has no staying power especially if you don't have a massive budget to keep providing distractions every week.

Why Raven? NGD has to take risks. The market is too competitive for them to stay where they are. So they did the Raven deal mainly for exposure. They took a loss in revenue in the early stages in the hope (risk) that the media blitz would not only make penetration in the American market but also provide spin-off revenue back to Horus and Ra to a lesser extent. Anyone who was not eligible for Raven goes back to Horus. Hopefully royalties would help to make the deal gel nicely. The reasoning behind the deal is highly risky and complex.

[ieti]

Torcida == yeah-baby ??? :rolleyes2:

[tarashunter]

Hmmm...you know lots of people read forums before begin to play a new game to see opinions of player about the game.

Negatives poll mania and spamm of crie threads dose not help at all this kind of bussiness.
If Horus dying some of ppl can considere theyself guilty to have a part for this.



Hidra,in every forum and in every game there is lot of QQ(ppls that cry) for something.
And i strongly agree with that part i have quoted.
But....

I read spanish forum too,where developers speaks more...or at least they speaks there....(the only problem is mi must use google translator,and most of the time i can not understand very well what they write).

Reading this forum there are more QQuering than positive things,in every part of subforum.

Don't you think that if NGD have a so negative feedback from users in this forum is their foult too?
Instead of do an event that is the copy of another one,don't you think they can work on the war balance/mechanism instead of wasting time making new useless premium items/stupid events(with no developer online that is a simbolic not-care by their teams).
And when they work on balance/waar mehanism,don't you think is better they test MORE they update first to send it in live?(new save,invasions,balance ranged/not ranged,etc etc).
If you go on suggestion subforum there are great solutions that common users posted there for many of the in-game problems.
A tip/suggestion from an user,can be at least readed and answered from a developer,that could see how an user care about the game.
But they don't even say a single "A" in the suggestion forum.
They don't speak with comunity,and comunity,that update after update don't understand where the game goes(because NGD got his super-secret plan that cannot be showed),get ever more frustrated,because they do question,and they obtain no answer.
The most stupid things,was "ASK TO NGD".
How the fck is possible that a comunity,to speak with the game masters must have a single thread,where the 3 most voted questions in 1 week can be answered?
Are we crazy?
Does it take so much time answer at the SAME 15 question that the comunity is doing from 2 years?

I was a fan of regnum,now i'm not,and this is clear.
What i see(and what all the other OLD users the left the game see) is a company that seems don't know what to do,how to do,and don't even wanna listen to the users tips,that know the game better then the same gamemasters(and this is clear,because if you watch at the update you can seee how no-sense things are).
So,in my opinion,a new user,must read this....
A new user must know what kind of game is he gonna play.
What kind of no support he is gonna have.
What kind of no-sense update he is gonna see,that will change his game experience,making the game from "really fun,oh my god i cannot go offline now there is too much action---to----> what the f***k is that?omg i'm bored,no one is online/doing anything,my friend left the game i'm alone i leave it too".

Go NGD censure that too,without give any answer of course.

[Torcida]

Torcida == yeah-baby ??? :rolleyes2:

Nooooooooo XD

tough I do agree with him ofcourse!

[Alzaroth_]

One thing: bois I love you.

My english is very bad, so I can't tell everything I want to say. So thank you very much because you spoke for me. You explain exactly want I think about RO.

So please, everyone, just read his posts again and try to understand how it's true. And try to remember the amount of people online you had in your friend list before WM update and maybe you'll see Horus is NOT dying.

[Torcida]

I will comment only this.Others point allrady commented.

You cannot compare others games with regnum.
Regnum has unique style and gameplay.
Wile others games are manga-cartoon-style,that i apreciate in Regnum it's maturity of graphics.
And ofc it's everythink about fashion.It's cartoon style age.
If you make a poll about ppl that play regnum to see age and ocupation of them you will be stunned maybe.At least in Horus.


Wile others games play categories are :
-kids that play for fun.
-premium people.
-ppl that prefer turn based games.
-ppl that love cartoons...etc
-or ppl that play only to be cool as his friends;

In Regnum you will see:

-Linux users;
-Programers;
-Ppl from country with low lvl of life
-Lots of mature ppl that spend they free time having some fun;
-ppl that play for fun
-ppl that use regnum as alternative to facebook(this one lowered once with general chat lose from WZ)
-Artists;
maybe other categorys.

Also about tons of servers....don't forget athoers games have cap limit of ppl that connect to a server.In regnum atm is none.

This just really doesn't make any sense..

[_Seinvan]

This just really doesn't make any sense..

Think harder. :cuac:
All Hidra was doing was defining how Regnum is compared with other games when it comes to playerbase (who is playing, etc)

And another excellent post by bois, as usual.. :p

[standistortion]

-Linux users;
-Programers;
-Ppl from country with low lvl of life
-Lots of mature ppl that spend they free time having some fun;
-ppl that play for fun
-ppl that use regnum as alternative to facebook(this one lowered once with general chat lose from WZ)
-Artists;
maybe other categorys.
for instance:
-ppl who brave the endless grind and appreciate the few good drops they get
-ppl who buy their way to the highest level and best equipment
-ppl who fight even when outnumbered
-ppl who only choose to fight when the odds are in their favour
-ppl who have no understanding of teamplay and tactics
-ppl who play as a team and understand tactics
-ppl who respect fair play and sportsmanship
-ppl who have no respect for fair play and sportsmanship
maybe other categorys.

[HidraA]

for instance:
-ppl who brave the endless grind and appreciate the few good drops they get
-ppl who buy their way to the highest level and best equipment
-ppl who fight even when outnumbered
-ppl who only choose to fight when the odds are in their favour
-ppl who have no understanding of teamplay and tactics
-ppl who play as a team and understand tactics
-ppl who respect fair play and sportsmanship
-ppl who have no respect for fair play and sportsmanship
maybe other categorys.

Sorry ..but you difined the carater(ego) of this categorys.This are not categorys of ppl that play the game.
You know each person has his own mentality....nobody can change that...and dose not worth to try.Take the ppl as they are.

My point was only for what kind of ppl is made Regnum.
And second point :you know even some ppl dislike this....kids play games usual...and they are more like mature ppl(in games).That was about low/hight number of population.

[yeah-baby]

well i left it a day or 2,to see what response i got.
many hits,not many replies.
you can all justify this and that any way you deem right,thats your right!
but mark my words,i wasnt wrong,nor were the people who agreeed with me.infact those who disagreeed with me were probably doing so out of self preservation more than any amount of common sense.thats your right too.
time masters all,he shall be the judge of that!
the amount of friends who followed me to my new game(cant be named here dues to NGD nazi styled bann policy) have all agreed,horus is dead when they go.
they say to me,wow i saw one person chatting in real chat..and no one in war zone..is that growing?..you know what,ive seen the same and cant deny the game has died alot compared to old days.
maybe the hours you guys play its different,but an MMO dying isnt a fast thing,its gradual and slow.i NEVER once said horus was dead,all i have said was it is dying..thats a slow process,but it will happen,NGD f'k'd up badly lol.
and as tarahunter commented too..NGD dont respond to any emails,tickets for atleast 1 month..unless its magna based(how is that important)..so go figure.
Bios i know what your doing,im a phsycology student,you are justifying your means to exist online any way you can,thats human nature,and is expected of all ppl,but at some stage you must soon realise,the world is bigger than your bubble you live in,and things change,thats the way of the world!..things live and they die..no ammount of defending it will prevent either from occouring!
good luck you RO die hards...lets hope they make CI a permanent thing,cuz horus will need it for any player interaction!!

[_Kharbon_]

well i left it a day or 2,to see what response i got.
many hits,not many replies.
you can all justify this and that any way you deem right,thats your right!
but mark my words,i wasnt wrong,nor were the people who agreeed with me.infact those who disagreeed with me were probably doing so out of self preservation more than any amount of common sense.thats your right too.
time masters all,he shall be the judge of that!
the amount of friends who followed me to my new game(cant be named here dues to NGD nazi styled bann policy) have all agreed,horus is dead when they go.
they say to me,wow i saw one person chatting in real chat..and no one in war zone..is that growing?..you know what,ive seen the same and cant deny the game has died alot compared to old days.
maybe the hours you guys play its different,but an MMO dying isnt a fast thing,its gradual and slow.i NEVER once said horus was dead,all i have said was it is dying..thats a slow process,but it will happen,NGD f'k'd up badly lol.
and as tarahunter commented too..NGD dont respond to any emails,tickets for atleast 1 month..unless its magna based(how is that important)..so go figure.
Bios i know what your doing,im a phsycology student,you are justifying your means to exist online any way you can,thats human nature,and is expected of all ppl,but at some stage you must soon realise,the world is bigger than your bubble you live in,and things change,thats the way of the world!..things live and they die..no ammount of defending it will prevent either from occouring!
good luck you RO die hards...lets hope they make CI a permanent thing,cuz horus will need it for any player interaction!!

Sometimes I feel it's real shame IQ can't be purchased. I hope you are happy with hello-kitty online.
Goodbye Psycology student.

[UmarilsStillHere]

...

This basically is a paragraph (if it can be called such a thing considering the mess it is) of clichés with little substance or relevance, I'm sure you're happy wherever you are now, and those who are still here are happy with what's here. You don't need to try and do everyone a service by convincing us the game is in its death throws and we should all quit. However only a fool would say the population of Horus is 'good' realm chat is indeed dead most of the day.

I also took Psychology, I suggest you give it up, its mostly pseudo-science rubbish with groups of narrow minded conflicted theorists arguing with each other with no real way of proving who's 'right'. In many ways it reminds me of religions.

[bois]

Psychology student indeed.

No so veiled attempts to both insult my intelligence and weak attempts to psycho-analyse me will not make your statements hold any more water than they did before.
I know what you are doing. You are trying to prove your point by disproving me and as such attacking the person who simply disagreed with you and seem to have sway with the people who replied. By that process you try to garner support for your point of view. I will provide my super duper expert psycho-analysis last .

You back it up with the statement that people who left with you agree. Of course they agree. Or else they would have not left . Common sense.

Your attempts to psycho analyse me will not come out of a textbook as you seem to be rattling off some kind of condition you read up on.

I simply stated my opinion on the matter. It could be wrong or right or somewhere between. If I am wrong it will not bother me. I simply learn and move on.

So, This may cause the thread to close but I like this psychology game. Can I play too? I can? Great .

but mark my words,i wasnt wrong,nor were the people who agreeed with me.infact those who disagreeed with me were probably doing so out of self preservation more than any amount of common sense.thats your right too.
Suggests poor self esteem and the need to control a situation in order to keep their sense of self esteem up.Your position must dominate oe else you fall (ego) . You have to be right or else you would be wrong. Being wrong brings with it the subliminal sense of failure.
Need to seek approval from like minded individuals. Suggest weak self esteem. Person must be propped by subjects around to feel superior in thought and judgement.

Bios iknow what your doing,im a phsycology student

Not so subtle hint of superiority in an area to stamp their dominance over the subject and as such give validity to their argument and as such themselves. Suggests weak self esteem.

you are justifying your means to exist online any way you can,thats human nature,and is expected of all ppl,but at some stage you must soon realise,the world is bigger than your bubble you live in,and things change,thats the way of the world!..things live and they die..no ammount of defending it will prevent either from occouring!

Attack the seemingly dominant dessenting voice in order to reassert dominance over a situation. The dissenting voice must be silenced rather than risk being wrong. Wrong is not an option. Wrong deflates my ego and as such my self esteem. Again suggest poor self esteem.

Quite often a case of transference is placed on the target , often accusing the target of having issues that accuser themselves have and have no other way of expressing it except to transfer. In it is often a deep fear that they may indeed suffer from this and the inability to come to terms with it. It is often shown in that the accuser can describe the issue the target is having in great detail without even knowing the target, their lifestyle or anything about them for that matter. It is because they see it in themselves , they can describe it so vividly.

I don't know you. I simply pulled that from the way you wrote your text.

I don't need to be right but I do hope this game continues with a Horus server. I enjoy it and I enjoy playing on Horus. I enjoy playing with the friend and foes alike. NGD made a good game. I enjoy the forum too. I learned a heck of a lot here and not just about the game. This forum is filled with very interesting people. Good people.

Regards

And by the way , I don't mind this getting deleted. Please note I was slandered above above and the proper thing should be done.

[tarashunter]

MMh...in all that,from the main page,the "user online counter" is magically ever on 0 from 3 days....May be they think is better no one know "how many user are online" right?!
It is like the old command in-game "/user",ahah now it have benn deleted even from main page of regnum^^.
Nice tactics^^