Thrilling hunt

[NotScias]

Was about time but here it is :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtNVWSVprO0

Hope you like it.

[Archonaut]

Nicely done, I see some impressive teamwork.. The only thing that's kind off a downer are the constant HotW. Still for the rest keep up the good work!

[_Enio_]

Nicely done, I see some impressive teamwork.. The only thing that's kind off a downer are the constant HotW. Still for the rest keep up the good work!

For me the same. HotW (or Beacons) imbalances kinda ruin such fights for me as you can kite any number of slow enemies with constant speed advantage, as seen in so many videos on utube already, 3 archers vs 10ish higherlvls etc..

[Aelonderiel]

To be honest, as I've already told jesus multiple times when we argue about this, I do not find long and boring kiting impressive. I'm the type of person who has fun when I die in an exciting short neck-to-neck fight, against the odds, and it reflects in my playstyle.

However, I will not undermine what I saw. Disregarding the presence of HotW, that was an impressive display of lock skills in terms of awareness of the surroundings, reaction times, and simple combo spell flow by both you and pti, and it served once again to remind me that you guys are at least one notch above most other Syrtis locks - something that I already knew from my arena fights with pti ofc. In multiple occasions I was sure that you would die within 5 seconds, and yet you always turned it around and surprised me.

So hats off to you, but jesus is still a little hit-and-run bitch :D <3

Edit: I forgot to mention that your taste in music is way way way better than most people who make RO vids, especially since you chose music that is both FREE and GREAT.

[Zas_]

For me the same. HotW (or Beacons) imbalances kinda ruin such fights for me as you can kite any number of slow enemies with constant speed advantage, as seen in so many videos on utube already, 3 archers vs 10ish higherlvls etc..

Well, that's true and not true.

Beacons and hotw can clearly create imbalance, i always said it.
BUT in this video, almost all groups have warmasters, beacons and hotw (this isn't a bunch of wm ganking low level grinders).

Yes, it is somehow kiting, and you know what it means (xD), but in an RvR fashion, it can fail very badly, and sometimes work very well, this video is showing when it works, not when it fails.

Hotw isn't enough, Dispell are needed too (much more than beacons).

[Aelonderiel]

Hotw isn't enough, Dispell are needed too (much more than beacons).

+1000 to this. This was the most impressive part of the teamwork, and not the hotw spam.

[_Enio_]

Well, that's true and not true.

Beacons and hotw can clearly create imbalance, i always said it.
BUT in this video, almost all groups have warmasters, beacons and hotw (this isn't a bunch of wm ganking low level grinders).

Yes, it is somehow kiting, and you know what it means (xD), but in an RvR fashion, it can fail very badly, and sometimes work very well, this video is showing when it works, not when it fails.

Hotw isn't enough, Dispell are needed too (much more than beacons).

Depends much what you face. Dispells come in handy, sure. But they dont allow you to stay on range of the melee/cc and/or separate slower&faster classes that easily. Horn vs no Horn just allows you to stay untouchable until you have a good constellation. or in case of range only, or even archers only allows to snipe down or weaken from secure range until closing in is secure.

Just noting, oldschool smallscale fights i find way more entertaining.

So if you see a good opportunity to get one while frapsing and you know your opponents wont use/cant use em either you could consider to pass on them.

[Hollow_Ichigo]

very brave, beacons...
and kiting? why not just have a proper fight without running away?

[NotScias]

very brave, beacons...

Beacons have been used on only 3 sequences of the video, and not the most impressive ones I have to say.
We used them only when we (jesus) tracked a large number of enemies (you can check chat log) but everytime we had to fight, either enemies were split, or many died in the meanwhile (goats+iggs seq.) so we didn't meet the expected number of enemies.
I found too bad to not include these sequences tho, since they're not that bad and that in these cases, beacons didn't really help (they prevented a BoW and a Kick to land - that's all)

and kiting? why not just have a proper fight without running away?

If you know a better way to survive in PvP or small group in open field as a Warlock, I'll be glad to hear it.
Warlocks have absolutely no defense against damage nor CC. Any savage monkey playing as a Barbarian can kill one in a split second if the lock doesn't kite.
Also I don't know if you noticed, most of the groups (if not all) were more than 3 and most high levels WMs of various classes and not simply grinders with grind setups like Anna said. It would have been a suicide staying under their nose like archer guards to eat their barbs' normals.

About Horn, in the vast majority of the encounters (in the video or everyday/everywhere anyways now), the enemies are using it constantly. Warlocks are slow enough so if we let that free +25% speed to enemies only we'd be unable to stay off the range of a buffed barb even with slows and no matter the amount of skill or teamwork or what-you-want, it'd just have been just impossible to do something in most of the cases.

Horn has become a part of the game, want it or not. If the vast majority of enemies weren't using it (yeah even to catch a hunter and two locks), We'd not use it neither but sadly it's not the case until NGD does something about it...


Anyways what I wanted to show is not an amount of skill or whatever - there's enough egotic idiots for this matter - but just some fun and challenging fights mostly against more people, some dangerous situations, and some very basic teamwork. This is not, and can't be, absolute fairness, as there's no PvP balance in this game, and that a single or a bunch of ranged will always be able to kite bigger groups than them with minimum skill - word that has no clear definition in this game anyways whatsoever...-

[jesus2]

very brave, beacons...
and kiting? why not just have a proper fight without running away?

I didnt want to interfere at this post in the 1st place but now I feel like expressing my opinion.Dear Ichigo, u and a few others (/me points at aelonderiel) should play the barb class definitelly.For u it seems that the game is designed to "die brave in wz just by rushing on enemies without moving our asses rawwwwr".

For me personally, that im playin a hunter or for scias who is playin mage chars mostly I have to tell u that we have to kite enemies because unfortunatelly our classes aint provide that good defenses to help us survive in the wz.Idk bout the rest of u but I feel more useful if I stay alive and try kill as much enemies as possible rather than clicking the "ressurect to altar" button every 5 secs.

To sum it up, kitting is a SKILL!!! (at least for non-mele classes) and not a noob action.If some of u insist kitting is smt coward then so be it ;) personally I dont give a shit what the others will think about it, and since me and my realmates find it useful in wz I ll use it as much as I can.Oh and bout beacons they are part of the game now so stop whinning and accept it ;)

Cheers

[Psynocide]

Kiting is a necessary component of ranged unit gameplay.
Sure, it bugs the shit out of me as much as the next guy when I'm on the receiving end but the alternative which we shall dub "stand and fight" would result in a slaughter the likes of which melee classes are prone to do if given an inch.
Hotw is also necessary for this method of gameplay - Why? Because its a piece of content that exists to be blunt, all's fair in love and war.
I tend to think of hotw as an afterthought spell, useful of course but not mandatory.

Regardless of the above, I find footage of small scale hunting to be rather boring, lol.

[Hollow_Ichigo]

kiting is a skill? hahaha
anyone can kite, its not like it takes years of experience to be good at...
3 vs a zerg - completely fine
3 vs 3 - grow some ballz ;P

[Torcida]

Uhm people lets not go to far This was a very good video and very impressive display of strenght only negative points were the use of beacons in some fights and the constant use of Hotw thats all, Kiting is a tactic you MUST do it otherwise you will die, what do you expect them to do fight 3 barbs in close range? Alot of people with no knowledge about the game talking trash again.

Don't let them demoralize you Scias it was a very nice video.

[NotScias]

Don't let them demoralize you Scias

No worries that won't happen.
I'm not trying to prove or show that I'm the best because I play for fun and I accept the justified criticism.

[Archonaut]

kiting is a skill? hahaha
anyone can kite, its not like it takes years of experience to be good at...
3 vs a zerg - completely fine
3 vs 3 - grow some ballz ;P

It's funny you say this Ichigo, well.. If you're Marks Ichigo and Ehm.. The ignis guy with Ichigo in his names.

When we were fighting you kept kiting, thank god I found a tree.. I mean 450 normals and kiting? There's no way around that except for usage of a tree :) Also, it annoys me when people get mad (especially marks') when locks use trees.. What the hell do these guys expect? That you go stand in front of them? Well actually that would be really nice for a lock, instant will domain = death but seriously, we can't just follow marksman in open field. That's just digging your own grave.


After all, it's just a game. Again, nice video scias.. Nice teamwork between you and Ptit. You 2 should make more videos together :)

[Hollow_Ichigo]

450 norms?!?! are you dreaming, i cant hit hunters (if thats what u are) more than 300, and if i was kiting it was because you had like 4-5 others with you, otherwise i never run >.>

[Archonaut]

450 norms?!?! are you dreaming, i cant hit hunters (if thats what u are) more than 300, and if i was kiting it was because you had like 4-5 others with you, otherwise i never run >.>

Sigh.. I am a lock, we fought 5 times, I won 4 times.

[71175]

Sigh.. I am a lock, we fought 5 times, I won 4 times.

And now without treehugging ^.^

[Psynocide]

Sigh.. I am a lock, we fought 5 times, I won 4 times.

Dat humility.

[Archonaut]

And now without treehugging ^.^

Haha, if he would stay in close range, there would be no need for us the Tree Hug.. But we were at Ignis boats and he literally crossed over about 50 meter, or range.. Same xD

Dat humility.

Mehh, Lock vs Marks in Open field? I guess 'Dat' one time will be excused ;p

[Hollow_Ichigo]

haha, i never run from a lock more than the 30 meter we start from, and if i was hitting u 450 norms how did you beat me 4 out of 5..
next time lets let everyone watch :p :sleep_1:

[standistortion]

haha, i never run from a lock more than the 30 meter we start from
Guess you never heard of arcane projection then :P

[71175]

Guess you never heard of arcane projection then :P

+1 ten chars :P

[Archonaut]

haha, i never run from a lock more than the 30 meter we start from, and if i was hitting u 450 norms how did you beat me 4 out of 5..
next time lets let everyone watch :p :sleep_1:

Seriously? I treehugged, how can you not have remembered that. After the 5th time we fought you went on your hunter and challenged me again, I think the outcome is pretty obvious.. Warlock VS Hunter is pretty unbalanced, as every other pvp in game but still.

Yes, if you want to record it sure go ahead ;p

[Psynocide]

PvP* is pretty unbalanced

Is what you meant to say, yes? :play_ball:

[Archonaut]

Is what you meant to say, yes? :play_ball:

Warlock VS Hunter is pretty unbalanced, as every other pvp in game but still.

I think you missed the last part :)

[Psynocide]

Rendering the last ten posts or so completely obsolete with one sentence, now that is skillful :hat:

[Torcida]

Rendering the last ten posts or so completely obsolete with one sentence, now that is skillful :hat:

You know what your problem is? You actually do not know alot about the game so you just try to cover it up with high-quality English. Im not specificly talking about this post but about you in general.

[Psynocide]

You know what your problem is? You actually do not know alot about the game so you just try to cover it up with high-quality English. Im not specificly talking about this post but about you in general.

I shall take the complement with good grace.
No, the problem that's causing the itch that you just cannot satisfy is not one of my own device but an unfortunate byproduct of my personality.
In more basic terms, dey see me rollin', dey hatin'.

However this is a personal matter, lets not bog down this otherwise sophisticated thread discussion.
If you are determined to persevere with this feel free to PM me, I have some free time.

[Aelonderiel]

I shall take the complement with good grace.
No, the problem that's causing the itch that you just cannot satisfy is not one of my own device but an unfortunate byproduct of my personality.
In more basic terms, dey see me rollin', dey hatin'.

However this is a personal matter, lets not bog down this otherwise sophisticated thread discussion.
If you are determined to persevere with this feel free to PM me, I have some free time.

The aforementioned post is riddled with copious amounts of victory, or "win" as it is more crudely referred to. As usual, that is :clapclap:

However, I just cannot see where this thread is headed - once again we are lead onto the long-winded and boring discussion of the Best Warlock crown - after briefly passing through the obligatory Warmaster Unbalance discussion that is prevalent in half of the threads in these forums - and the people who partake in this particular one probably cannot remember how they ended up there in the first place. *Sigh*

And all this because of a video posted not in order to showcase skills, but in order to share fights that managed to thrill the person who recorded them (in this case Scias). In other words, fights that made him have a good time, fights that he enjoyed. And yet we have managed to once again turn one person's small joy taken out of this game into this utterly laughable thread. I believe congratulations are in order.

[Kitsuni]

This game changes violently. Just because someone is not a good player now doesn't mean they weren't in the past. The whole game mechanis change, skills change, people get older, they get more tired and they have less ability to deal with situations and having to re-learn the game again every six months. Don't argue with each other guys... sooner or later everything will change again, and it will have all meant nothing. Constantly sending every single thread in this direction does nothing but create an archive of your own arrogance, and turn potential friends into someone you argue with on an Internet forum. Now think about that for a second.

[Psynocide]

Dogmatic deliciousness.

[Archonaut]

Rendering the last ten posts or so completely obsolete with one sentence, now that is skillful :hat:

Hmm, now in basic English so even I can understand?

Well, you know as good as me that I was right so you try to hide it with your excellent high English (not just talking about this post). To bad English isn't my native language, anyway I'm sorry if I insulted you or anything.. I just felt like expressing my self :)

[Psynocide]

Point missed.
I'm not one to hide behind anything, I'm fond of purposefully obscuring intention and leaving others to figure it out, or not as the case may be.
In short, I was not contradicting you merely pointing out something I found amusing.

[NotScias]

Please, can you keep your ego fighting in another place ?
kthxbai.