GameSamba's hall of shameless condemnation

[PT_DaAr_PT]

Everybody knows I have a huge grief against GameSamba for essentially forcing the game to be played by their subjective rules, interfering where no interference should be needed and trying to be this century's Inquisition while only being an online game publishing company (You have got to give them credit for that)

Please take a look at this post:
http://www.gamesamba.com/forum/post35705.html#p35705

Most of you might be thinking what's wrong with that, aren't they doing a favor to the community by exposing those who break the rules? Arguably, yes, but they are not exactly helping. To me this looks like an attempt to please the CHEATERS RUIN MUH FUN AND SHOULD BE CRUCIFIED FOR ME crowd and boy do we have many of those, it goes to the point where they even justify any incalculable action in game by blaming cheaters, it's bad that these are the people GameSamba listens to.

Everyone eventually commits a mistake and GameSamba is now making sure everybody knows about it and that your reputation goes down the drain. A true cheater wouldn't give a crap about his reputation, in fact, him being listed would actually give him the attention he wants. This is only harming those who happen to get in trouble for not knowing what GameSamba personnel dislike. (For instance, you can be banned without warning for killing someone around an altar. They don't care if you don't know about their rules on their site. (http://i.imgur.com/DLkV6.png))

This kind of information is hold private by many game companies for a reason, this is not a fucking freak show where you point and laugh at people you find despicable for your dreary entertainment, you're an even worse kind of human being for enjoying doing that.
And sure, rule breakers are no good but behind the computer they are people like you and I but that's not how they are being treated by GameSamba.

So, please, Regnum Online players, do not be part of the point-and-laugh crowd. I am sure you are better than that.

Seriously, purple fever carriers? (http://i.imgur.com/MdrQh.png)

[Quincebo]

I don't like GameSamba either.
They sorta make their own rules, and can ban people, even if they play under NGD.

I just like their help ingame.

[Awrath]

Wow. Surprised by that topic.

I agree with you that the hall of shame only really brings shame to Game Samba. It can surely only do their reputation harm to go about exposing what they consider cheaters in this manner.

There is no need for a topic like that, in fact it's something I'd expect from a childish player raging at death to a cheater. I can also say that I am not fully aware of the GS rules, and really, I would love to know what NGD considers the rules are. I think their save camping rules are a bit extreme to be honest. What shall I do if I run past a save altar and I am then attacked, I don't know the position of every save altar inside Ignis and Alsius. Oh well :p I should expect my future ban I guess!

I wont be reporting cheaters to GS if this is the outcome (not that I come across many). I will attempt to take a video/screenshot and send it to NGD via a ticket in future, even if it takes 2 months to answer!

I do however agree with Quince, the GCs do a brilliant job inner realm helping the newbies.

[Hayir]

Omg i want to be in the list too! i want to be famous!

[pauluzz]

I've seen that topic earlier today.. made me wtf as well.

I was happy to see 1 name on it tho. Reported him for ganking my hunter with speedhack.

Anyway its a bit unprofessional, yes. (Lol'd at fever carriers xD)

[ufkn]

Acteaon is the worst gm there is brash and immature

should make a hall of shame gm list and put him and others on there

That thread is stupid.

[erttzzadfk]

GameSamba is doing a good job with this list !
Why? Have a look to the german servers....it's no place to be anymore.
Spammers, Trolls, Bugusing etc...and there's nothing noticed to be done. :dumbofme:
The German Regnum Online Community Site www.regnum-online.de will be given up soon and many players are leaving the game.
There are many other reasons why all this happens - but spam, cheating etc. did a good job too. So i think GameSamba is on the right way and Gamigo wasnt.

I'm almost sure one of these players in this list is a friend of your (daar) and that's the reason for your post. So cool down.
Better transparent then unnoticed.

More then 4 years experience in this game - and this list is one of the best news i have ever read !
Pls go on with it GameSamba

ps: "purple fever carriers" is too much. think so too.

[Hopeakettu]

GameSamba is doing a good job with this list !
Why? Have a look to the german servers....it's no place to be anymore.
Spammers, Trolls, Bugusing etc...and there's nothing noticed to be done. :dumbofme:
The German Regnum Online Community Site www.regnum-online.de will be given up soon and many players are leaving the game.
There are many other reasons why all this happens - but spam, cheating etc. did a good job too. So i think GameSamba is on the right way and Gamigo wasnt.

I'm almost sure one of these players in this list is a friend of your (daar) and that's the reason for your post. So cool down.
Better transparent then unnoticed.

More then 4 years experience in this game - and this list is one of the best news i have ever read !
Pls go on with it GameSamba

ps: "purple fever carriers" is too much. think so too.

+1, nothing to add

[roonwick]

Yay! back to the dark age with public executions!

Gamesamba has taken it on themselves to change the punishments. No longer is banning enough, so they took it on themselves to punish people by naming and shaming.

I think it's disgusting.

[erttzzadfk]

"Punish People"??...i dont think there are parents out there, giving their kids names like: "penis", "fuckyoudb", "The Hater Slayer" etc.

CHARACTERS in an online game...:huh:

[Shwish]

The name "Penis" in the spammers and trolls section made me lol.

Temporarily banning these people isn't going do anything. I'm personally glad GS is doing this, it wont fix the problem but its better than doing nothing about it.

Always nice to see new reasons why Daar hates GameSamba. Very entertaining indeed.

[Hayir]

As if people are going to stop doing these things just because they are in a list which nobody cares about.

and as you said they are "CHARACTERS in an online game." they will just make new characters with new names nobody will know it is him/her in the list.

Edit: And will make new accounts.

[erttzzadfk]

btw /ignore includes all characters of an account (am i right?)
But before i'll do something like that, i'll paint my own picture of these CHARACTERS shown in the list - thank's for warning me !

[PT_DaAr_PT]

GameSamba is doing a good job with this list !
Why? Have a look to the german servers....it's no place to be anymore.
Spammers, Trolls, Bugusing etc...and there's nothing noticed to be done. :dumbofme:
The German Regnum Online Community Site www.regnum-online.de will be given up soon and many players are leaving the game.
There are many other reasons why all this happens - but spam, cheating etc. did a good job too. So i think GameSamba is on the right way and Gamigo wasnt.

I'm almost sure one of these players in this list is a friend of your (daar) and that's the reason for your post. So cool down.
Better transparent then unnoticed.

More then 4 years experience in this game - and this list is one of the best news i have ever read !
Pls go on with it GameSamba

ps: "purple fever carriers" is too much. think so too.

I can assure you that the main reason why I created this thread was entirely about not liking what GameSamba does and assuring everyone is aware of their latest trend to fight rule breakers.

Regnum Online's shine isn't as bright as it was several years ago. Players eventually get bored and move on, sometimes because of recently released games. I've read the news post on www.regnum-online.de and that is what seemed to be the case, there is just no big interest anymore.

I don't play on the German servers so I can't talk much about what goes on there but I'm pretty sure cheaters and hackers are caught all the time, they just don't make it public. GameSamba tries awfully a lot to look like heroes to their sheepish player-base. Listing the names of rule breakers is just one of the many tactics they use. People like to know that their cries are being heard and so GameSamba casts Placebo(5) and it's very effective. Enjoy.

[roonwick]

"Punish People"??...i dont think there are parents out there, giving their kids names like: "penis", "fuckyoudb", "The Hater Slayer" etc.

CHARACTERS in an online game...:huh:

It's an 18+ game. Silly names? Just get used to it. I'd be very disappointed in GS if they banned these characters because of the name.

[Shwish]

btw /ignore includes all characters of an account (am i right?)

No it doesn't as far as I know

[erttzzadfk]

I would love to give you my account there Daar, cause im no more interested in gamigo's servers and its atmosphere. "Unfortunatly" its forbidden and i'm not sure what could happen with my Ra character. Make a character at Syrtis Valhalla and have a look to herb bind and to the wz.
----
btw /ignore includes all characters of an account (am i right?)
No it doesn't as far as I know
Read it just 1 week ago in the german forum written by someone i would trust to be right with it. But not 100% sure. Wasn't an official statement.

[Inhumano]

I love gamesamba... except for Suma, he sucks.

[Freeverse]

It's an 18+ game.

I wish it was ....

I still have the "i certify that i'm 18 years old [...]-message in my launcher, but as far as i know the game is 12+ at least since the Raven-Horus merge. Someone correct me please if i'm wrong.

[roonwick]

I don't remember any statement changing the age reqs... and as you say, you are still certifying that you're 18+ (or have permission from a responsible adult) at login.

[Freeverse]

I don't remember any statement changing the age reqs... and as you say, you are still certifying that you're 18+ (or have permission from a responsible adult) at login.

Again - i'm not 100% sure, but: Regnum (NGD) was a 18+ game, Realms Online (Gamesamba) was a 12+ game. Since the merge Haven is 12+, although the launcher for previous ngd users hasn't been modified.

[bois]

As far as I know the game is now 13+ courtesy of the merge. As with many things in the game, it takes ages for documentation to be brought up to date.

Regards

[erttzzadfk]

Certifying that you are 13/18 years old or have consent does not in any way say what the chat guidelines are for this game.
All that is, is a legal disclaimer allowing you to play the game in your respective area.
The in game "Rules" are subject to the developers/publishers of the game and the accept button you hit every time you log on says basically that you will follow those rules what ever they may be.
source: http://www.gamesamba.com/forum/ro-news-announcements/realm-chat-and-trolling-moderation-on-haven-july-2012-t5460.html

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

I just like their help ingame.

Lol, really? Didin't notice. I noticed that 90% of their time is making "kissy, kissy" with some players, making them top spammers of realm chat. But hey, I don't agree with you in 100% of cases recently so maybe we play different games.

As to Daar's post I agree. It should be clean ban without third party involved, not some
witch hunting.

[erttzzadfk]

It should be clean ban without third party involved, not some witch hunting.
Tell me what is a "clean ban"?
A perm banned Gameaccount to be made new a few hours later?
An Ip-ban when you've got a dynamic ip?

And that's the problem. All these players come back several times, cause you don't really have to identify yourselves at registration.
There is no active Anticheat as well.
The door is wide opened for every kind of internet mosquitos.

Who comes back wants some other players to know:"hey, i'm here again xD" and that's why i think this list will help a little bit without fixing all problems.

So it doesn't matter what kind of motivation GameSamba may have in your eyes.
It's only interesting that fair players can see "something is done" instead of leaving RO and move on with other games, while talking bad about it there.

[blood-raven]

Face it, samba is not far away from the gestapo back in the days.
Also they are easily butthurt.
Take our new clan "team vagina", had to be censored cause it was offencive (orly, to who?), but if you read the rules, it says nowhere team vagina is not allowed + it's an 18+ game...
But still we have to shut up gms daily.

We're fighting the law!!!
Fuck da police

[erttzzadfk]

Face it, samba is not far away from the gestapo back in the days.
Also they are easily butthurt.
Take our new clan "team vagina", had to be censored cause it was offencive (orly, to who?), but if you read the rules, it says nowhere team vagina is not allowed + it's an 18+ game...
But still we have to shut up gms daily.

We're fighting the law!!!
Fuck da police

Nice to see another german player...*ironic*
Perhaps it helps to understand what i mean.

[blood-raven]

Nice to see another german player...*ironic*
Perhaps it helps to understand what i mean.

Idiot, i play horus.
I hope it understand what i mean with idiots.

[erttzzadfk]

Idiot, i play horus.
I hope it understand what i mean with idiots.
Oh really? Ok, thanks for your posts.
I play Haven cause i don't know how to log on Horus again.
(There is a german player on Valhalla with the same nickname. You should really talk to him..).

To end this exciting little OT-excursion:
Lol, really? Didin't notice. I noticed that 90% of their time is making "kissy, kissy" with some players, making them top spammers of realm chat. But hey, I don't agree with you in 100% of cases recently so maybe we play different games.

As to Daar's post I agree. It should be clean ban without third party involved, not some
witch hunting.
Tell me what is a "clean ban"?
A perm banned Gameaccount to be made new a few hours later?
An Ip-ban when you've got a dynamic ip?

And that's the problem. All these players come back several times, cause you don't really have to identify yourselves at registration.
There is no active Anticheat as well.
The door is wide opened for every kind of internet mosquitos.

Who comes back wants some other players to know:"hey, i'm here again xD" and that's why i think this list will help a little bit without fixing all problems.

So it doesn't matter what kind of motivation GameSamba may have in your eyes.
It's only interesting that fair players can see "something is done" instead of leaving RO and move on with other games, while talking bad about it there.

[_Enio_]

Yay! back to the dark age with public executions!

Gamesamba has taken it on themselves to change the punishments. No longer is banning enough, so they took it on themselves to punish people by naming and shaming.

I think it's disgusting.

Totally this^
+1

[erttzzadfk]

The name "Penis" in the spammers and trolls section made me lol.

Temporarily banning these people isn't going do anything. I'm personally glad GS is doing this, it wont fix the problem but its better than doing nothing about it.

1+ :rolleyes:

Out of here again. I already know all aspects and arguments about this whole topic from the german forum where nothing was changed by gamigo.
So it'll be very interesting for me to see the development of the two different publishers and their communitys.
Hope GameSamba did right with this list. I really think so !

[kmdk]

Seriously, purple fever carriers? (http://i.imgur.com/MdrQh.png)

This ...O.o .. common ,.... purple event meant to spread purple fever....

[TheBarbarianAlsius]

Fight fire with Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHwA7ONusqE)

[blood-raven]

...

If you ban someone for cheating i'm fine with it but a public crucifixion is a thing of a dark past.

It's disturbing you think it's a good idea.

[VandaMan]

I can see both sides. Firstly I'd like to be clear - adding trolls, purple fever carriers, spammers, and harassers is a bit silly and accomplishes nothing. However I can get on board with making it public when people abuse bugs and such to gain war/pvp advantages.

These people cheat to gain an advantage, to gain RP or to win. We can't take away the actual victories or place on the high scores list they've gained by cheating, but we can make sure everyone knows how they got them. Not that the rankings truly matter, but I think if I were competitive enough to care (we do have players who are), and the guys above me in rankings had cheated to get there, I should know about it.

When you cheat to gain items, we take the items away. When you cheat to gain victories, we should take those away too.

[Evangeline]

I can see both sides. Firstly I'd like to be clear - adding trolls, purple fever carriers, spammers, and harassers is a bit silly and accomplishes nothing. However I can get on board with making it public when people abuse bugs and such to gain war/pvp advantages.

These people cheat to gain an advantage, to gain RP or to win. We can't take away the actual victories or place on the high scores list they've gained by cheating, but we can make sure everyone knows how they got them. Not that the rankings truly matter, but I think if I were competitive enough to care (we do have players who are), and the guys above me in rankings had cheated to get there, I should know about it.

When you cheat to gain items, we take the items away. When you cheat to gain victories, we should take those away too.

if people cheat for fun, we should take fun away too :thumb:

a good way to do that is implementing alot of rules, and publishing a hall of shame on forums :D

i'd like to add that daar's post is a bit ironic, because he is basically crying that gamesamba has too many rules that wouldnt exist if they hadnt come place them, and saying how they arent needed but in Raven, he was one of the many that persued the way of the witchhunt, always recording people and trying to get them banned by making up idiotic excuses and showing vid to gm or putting on youtube, such as "save guard glitching" or "precise block animation bug abusing" those were my favourite ones, and if i recall you were banned for at least a day for trolling, the amount of personal attacks was too damn high :D but you held on to gameamba tightly always crying to a gm

My question doesnt need to be answered but if you wanna answer, why the sudden change in behaviour? all of a sudden there are too many rules? :D

[blood-raven]

http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/1093545871.jpg

[VandaMan]

if people cheat for fun, we should take fun away too :thumb:

Yes, yes we should. I'm not sure if you're trying to be sarcastic here or not, but we most certainly should (and already do) "take fun away" from people who cheat. We call this a "ban."

[Evangeline]

Yes, yes we should. I'm not sure if you're trying to be sarcastic here or not, but we most certainly should (and already do) "take fun away" from people who cheat. We call this a "ban."

nop not sarcastic at all

[gluffs]

This matter is just another perfect example off Gamesamba having their own
rules and NGD has theirs. On this forum we are not allowed to name cheaters
or hang out troublemakers ( and i think that is a good thing) instead we are
supposed to report it. But heck on Gamesamba forum the GM´s themself put
out the names...

Really can anyone from ngd make a statement if you are working on a
common ruleset or we just need to live in limbo and hope we dont brake any
off gamesambas wierd rules and get banned?

Like the insta ban for savecamping, what is considerd camping and not in the
eyes off gamesamba? Will i get banned for passing the save and i defend
myself from an attacker that stands at save or is that ok (castle saves at this
example), or is it up to the GM on duty if he is in a good or bad mood to
decide? From what ive seen and heard the GM´s interprets the rules based on
their own personal opinion and what mood they are in. And it often feels like
they really dont know either and just act on what they belive is correct or not....

Really, this is getting retarded.

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Tell me what is a "clean ban"?
A perm banned Gameaccount to be made new a few hours later?
An Ip-ban when you've got a dynamic ip?

And that's the problem. All these players come back several times, cause you don't really have to identify yourselves at registration.
There is no active Anticheat as well.
The door is wide opened for every kind of internet mosquitos.

Who comes back wants some other players to know:"hey, i'm here again xD" and that's why i think this list will help a little bit without fixing all problems.

So it doesn't matter what kind of motivation GameSamba may have in your eyes.
It's only interesting that fair players can see "something is done" instead of leaving RO and move on with other games, while talking bad about it there.

What that Hall of Shame is going to change then? Few people said it here, those people are mostly attention whores, so it will stir them up to do that even more.

[Awrath]

if people cheat for fun, we should take fun away too :thumb:

a good way to do that is implementing alot of rules, and publishing a hall of shame on forums :D

i'd like to add that daar's post is a bit ironic, because he is basically crying that gamesamba has too many rules that wouldnt exist if they hadnt come place them, and saying how they arent needed but in Raven, he was one of the many that persued the way of the witchhunt, always recording people and trying to get them banned by making up idiotic excuses and showing vid to gm or putting on youtube, such as "save guard glitching" or "precise block animation bug abusing" those were my favourite ones, and if i recall you were banned for at least a day for trolling, the amount of personal attacks was too damn high :D but you held on to gameamba tightly always crying to a gm

My question doesnt need to be answered but if you wanna answer, why the sudden change in behaviour? all of a sudden there are too many rules? :D
Nothing wrong with reporting cheaters, but to name and shame publicly is unnecessary. As for those two videos of the bugs you mentioned that Daar put up, those are valid bugs, I don't see why you bring them up or what it even has to do with this thread.

The solution is simple, if people fail to follow the rules ban, if they continue ban again, if they continue permanently ban, there goes their hard work and items in building up a character, and that's lesson enough for most. For those who start new characters and start doing the same thing, well naming and shaming wont help, banning wont help, IP bans are easy to get around and if a troll/cheater is dedicated enough I'm sure they will make their way back. So in conclusion the "shame" post by GS is not only childish but utterly pointless.

[Evangeline]

Nothing wrong with reporting cheaters, but to name and shame publicly is unnecessary. As for those two videos of the bugs you mentioned that Daar put up, those are valid bugs, I don't see why you bring them up or what it even has to do with this thread.

The solution is simple, if people fail to follow the rules ban, if they continue ban again, if they continue permanently ban, there goes their hard work and items in building up a character, and that's lesson enough for most. For those who start new characters and start doing the same thing, well naming and shaming wont help, banning wont help, IP bans are easy to get around and if a troll/cheater is dedicated enough I'm sure they will make their way back. So in conclusion the "shame" post by GS is not only childish but utterly pointless.

awrath dont take sudden conclusions like that, it has everything to do with it, if you played Raven you would know that many people on gamesamba forums actually wanted to expose the cheaters to public, daar was one of them was just saying how ironic it was :>

if it is pointless or childish or unnecessary, not my problem i dont even read gamesamba forums, but gamesamba gives the players what they ask for, many ppl did want this, so to those people, deal with it :D why should people even care about it anyway if you do nothing wrong you wont show in the list

[Wield_II]

Why didnt they list ms monkeys.

[Hopeakettu]

Why didnt they list ms monkeys.

Cause the forum wouldn't handle so much text? :D

[PT_DaAr_PT]

I can see both sides. Firstly I'd like to be clear - adding trolls, purple fever carriers, spammers, and harassers is a bit silly and accomplishes nothing. However I can get on board with making it public when people abuse bugs and such to gain war/pvp advantages.

These people cheat to gain an advantage, to gain RP or to win. We can't take away the actual victories or place on the high scores list they've gained by cheating, but we can make sure everyone knows how they got them. Not that the rankings truly matter, but I think if I were competitive enough to care (we do have players who are), and the guys above me in rankings had cheated to get there, I should know about it.

When you cheat to gain items, we take the items away. When you cheat to gain victories, we should take those away too.

But do we really need a list to know who got their easy RPs of off save camping? Or who glitched a gem the other day? The word passed by players reaches everyone faster than an inaccurate list. Yes inaccurate, you've seen the posts on facebook by people who didn't make the cut into the list, even though we all saw the hilarious screenshots. Was it fair that GameSamba didn't give those troll kings their much earned place in the list?

We have a video of some Vaniteuses save camping a poor player(With a good taste in tinfoil hats) for 15 minutes. Why would an incomplete list be better than what players see for themselves? This is one of the problems with a list of names, it just gives you names, no exact proof of what those people did. Someone may as well just have said FUCK on general chat around someone allergic to the word fuck and got in trouble for it. Now that person can kiss goodbye to all the hot dark elf chicks because they think he's a troll.

if people cheat for fun, we should take fun away too :thumb:

a good way to do that is implementing alot of rules, and publishing a hall of shame on forums :D

i'd like to add that daar's post is a bit ironic, because he is basically crying that gamesamba has too many rules that wouldnt exist if they hadnt come place them, and saying how they arent needed but in Raven, he was one of the many that persued the way of the witchhunt, always recording people and trying to get them banned by making up idiotic excuses and showing vid to gm or putting on youtube, such as "save guard glitching" or "precise block animation bug abusing" those were my favourite ones, and if i recall you were banned for at least a day for trolling, the amount of personal attacks was too damn high :D but you held on to gameamba tightly always crying to a gm

My question doesnt need to be answered but if you wanna answer, why the sudden change in behaviour? all of a sudden there are too many rules? :D

Please, get your facts straight, I've never bitched about the number of rules, however, I bitch about dumb rules of which there are many and I'm sure you agree with too.

Of all the videos, only one of them was sent as a ticket to GameSamba(I think I also posted on their forums, but I am not sure), the rest of them were only shown to my friends which I've said already is the most effective way to expose cheaters and people who try to portrait themselves as noble players but are mostly caught doing not noble things. The precise block video was sent to NGD because it happened on Horus. Is there something wrong with reporting cheaters, anyway?

And about trolling... I don't troll. Ever. I was a victim in the situation you're referring. It's one thing to make a joke, it's another to provoke people to get a reaction out of them. I was not aware that the GM(Who's fired, btw!) lacked any sense of humor.

awrath dont take sudden conclusions like that

That's a great advice, why don't you follow it yourself?

, it has everything to do with it, if you played Raven you would know that many people on gamesamba forums actually wanted to expose the cheaters to public, daar was one of them was just saying how ironic it was :>

Evidence or gtfo.

[Evangeline]

But do we really need a list to know who got their easy RPs of off save camping? Or who glitched a gem the other day? The word passed by players reaches everyone faster than an inaccurate list. Yes inaccurate, you've seen the posts on facebook by people who didn't make the cut into the list, even though we all saw the hilarious screenshots. Was it fair that GameSamba didn't give those troll kings their much earned place in the list?

We have a video of some Vaniteuses save camping a poor player(With a good taste in tinfoil hats) for 15 minutes. Why would an incomplete list be better than what players see for themselves? This is one of the problems with a list of names, it just gives you names, no exact proof of what those people did. Someone may as well just have said FUCK on general chat around someone allergic to the word fuck and got in trouble for it. Now that person can kiss goodbye to all the hot dark elf chicks because they think he's a troll.



Please, get your facts straight, I've never bitched about the number of rules, however, I bitch about dumb rules of which there are many and I'm sure you agree with too.

Of all the videos, only one of them was sent as a ticket to GameSamba(I think I also posted on their forums, but I am not sure), the rest of them were only shown to my friends which I've said already is the most effective way to expose cheaters and people who try to portrait themselves as noble players but are mostly caught doing not noble things. The precise block video was sent to NGD because it happened on Horus. Is there something wrong with reporting cheaters?

And about trolling... I don't troll. Ever. I was a victim in the situation you're referring. It's one thing to make a joke, it's another to provoke people to get a reaction out of them. I was not aware that the GM(Who's fired, btw!) happened to have no sense of humor.



That's a great advice, why don't you follow it yourself?



Evidence or gtfo.

hmm lets c what can i reply to that

for starters :> you were never a victim hehe you were a vicious hunter, i dont need to "not" take sudden conclusions because i was there, and as for evidence or gtfo - i am not gonna dig on gamesamba's forum old threads just to make a point on a pointless thread

i do agree with you about gamesamba's rules but hard not to notice an irony in here

enuff said :p

[PT_DaAr_PT]

hmm lets c what can i reply to that

for starters :> you were never a victim hehe you were a vicious hunter, i dont need to "not" take sudden conclusions because i was there, and as for evidence or gtfo - i am not gonna dig on gamesamba's forum old threads just to make a point on a pointless thread

enuff said :p

If you can't back up your false claims them don't make them in the first place. At least you could have made some shit up to sound more credible.

I may as well say that a GameSamba SGM was seen in camouflage around Herbred, leaking the locations of surrounding enemies in detail. People immediately go "Oh, I knew it!" even though I have no evidence to support my claim. I've just totally made this up but hadn't I said this people would have believed it anyway. And on top of that I am so original, too.

Did you believe for a second that a GM was seen in camouflage?

[erttzzadfk]

Dark Age-argument
Have a second look to history and tell me how our system of justice developed.
Now have a look to this modern i-net thing *wow..*.
I have to wear an identity card in rl. Do you have to make sure who you are in game too and why do we have to wear it all the time with us in rl?
When i'm agressive to someone else i'll be not allowed to come nearer then 400m again, have to pay money, will move to prison (kind of ban..) etc.
It's really easy to write a word like "inquisition" but i-net is an anarchic playground at all - and we all know this simple fact caused by anonymity.
When someone is cheating while toure de france..his name shouldn't be read in the newspapers later?
Bad examples? Why?
Cause this is the internet and we are talking about CHARACTER names of a game shown on a list in the www.
A free world on the one hand and a dark aged thing on the other hand with a much more rudimentary kind of contact between it's members.

Kissy publisher-argument
A publisher with harder rules is kissy to players? kk.
So tell me to who is a publisher kissy with softer rules?..
I really don't think the motivation for something is always the key to define positive or negative results of smth.

Too many rules kills the game
Perhaps some in here are right. Perhaps we should leave all forum- and ingame rules to get the maximum of fun out of this game....to take players the possibility to get attention by breaking them. *sarcasm*
GS didn't make new rules. They only show you who didn't likes to follow them in an mmorpg without anticheat, badwordlist, active admins in all servers 24/7, a working routine to handle savecampers (- wmc/ - krp), an ignorelist etc..
It's the result of their experience - not your own experience. It's a warning - an information, given to the other players.


Banlist doesn't change anything
That have to be simply wrong.
Newton's law III: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
So it'll change something for sure - let's find out what.
I read so many prophecys before updates... it's up to us to make us :jacky_chun: later.



PS: i'm still a german searching for the right english words..sry. :cuac:

[Tigerious]

we all know this simple fact caused by anonymity.

Ahah I wonder in what world you are living.

[erttzzadfk]

Ahah I wonder in what world you are living.
hm..i'm almost sure you didn't really get what i wanted to explain with it.
I don't know your surename, wont be able to write you a real letter or show me my actual emotion while reading your post...
But it would be pretty easy to give you some bad names. What would happen if here in this forum wouldn't be a moderator?

[Tigerious]

hm..i'm almost sure you didn't really get what i wanted to explain with it.
I don't know your surename, wont be able to write you a real letter or show me my actual emotion while reading your post...

Wait me if I'm wrong, but you think you can be anonymous on Internet ?
This should be a bad joke :)

[erttzzadfk]

Wait me if I'm wrong, but you think you can be anonymous on Internet ?
This should be a bad joke :)
öhm...nope?
I think:
hm..i'm almost sure you didn't really get what i wanted to explain with it.
I don't know your surename, wont be able to write you a real letter or show me my actual emotion while reading your post...
But it would be pretty easy to give you some bad names. What would happen if here in this forum wouldn't be a moderator?
I think we both know what was wanted to be said..not really necessary to go on splitting some hairs atm.
Back to topic with the last post:
Dark Age-argument
Have a second look to history and tell me how our system of justice developed.
Now have a look to this modern i-net thing *wow..*.
I have to wear an identity card in rl. Do you have to make sure who you are in game too and why do we have to wear it all the time with us in rl?
When i'm agressive to someone else i'll be not allowed to come nearer then 400m again, have to pay money, will move to prison (kind of ban..) etc.
It's really easy to write a word like "inquisition" but i-net is an anarchic playground at all - and we all know this simple fact caused by anonymity.
When someone is cheating while toure de france..his name shouldn't be read in the newspapers later?
Bad examples? Why?
Cause this is the internet and we are talking about CHARACTER names of a game shown on a list in the www.
A free world on the one hand and a dark aged thing on the other hand with a much more rudimentary kind of contact between it's members.

Kissy publisher-argument
A publisher with harder rules is kissy to players? kk.
So tell me to who is a publisher kissy with softer rules?..
I really don't think the motivation for something is always the key to define positive or negative results of smth.

Too many rules kills the game
Perhaps some in here are right. Perhaps we should leave all forum- and ingame rules to get the maximum of fun out of this game....to take players the possibility to get attention by breaking them. *sarcasm*
GS didn't make new rules. They only show you who didn't likes to follow them in an mmorpg without anticheat, badwordlist, active admins in all servers 24/7, a working routine to handle savecampers (- wmc/ - krp), an ignorelist etc..
It's the result of their experience - not your own experience. It's a warning - an information, given to the other players.

Banlist doesn't change anything
That have to be simply wrong.
Newton's law III: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
So it'll change something for sure - let's find out what.
I read so many prophecys before updates... it's up to us to make us :jacky_chun: later.


PS: i'm still a german searching for the right english words..sry. :cuac:

[VandaMan]

But do we really need a list to know who got their easy RPs of off save camping? Or who glitched a gem the other day? The word passed by players reaches everyone faster than an inaccurate list. Yes inaccurate, you've seen the posts on facebook by people who didn't make the cut into the list, even though we all saw the hilarious screenshots. Was it fair that GameSamba didn't give those troll kings their much earned place in the list?

I basically said that though - "adding trolls, purple fever carriers, spammers, and harassers is a bit silly and accomplishes nothing." As for the word being passed by players, you know as well as I do that "the word" being passed is quite often inaccurate. Back on Raven "the word" used to say I have speed hacks, cast speed hacks, invincibility hacks, teleportation hacks, and my personal favorite... "crash everyone that attacks me" hacks.

In short I agree with you, about most of the people on the list. When it comes to bug abusers though, I see no reason their offenses shouldn't be public. People cheat in to gain something, whether that be RP, gear, or victories, and when they're caught cheating, whatever they have gained by it should be taken away. We do that with duped gear already, and for people who abuse for RP or an easy win, a list like this seems like a fair punishment.

Imagine for a moment that Tigerious wasn't such a great guy, and GameSamba found out that since the beginning of time he's been using a bug to increase his damage, attack speed, and rate of success on Mind Squasher. Bad Tigerious, first time bug abuser, his ban is 7 days. No one knows, no one knows why he was banned or even that he was banned at all. For all we know he just spent a week on vacation. He comes back, and still has 1st place on the RP rankings, all RP gained by cheating, and no one is the wiser. Not really very fair, is it?

(disclaimer: tigerious is not a haxxor, i checked the list.)

[Tigerious]

Ahaha

Everyone know I only got banned for "Rock" abuse what wasn't glitch or something else but only use a rock near old Samal save to avoid guard attack and kill some afkers.

This should have been published too but all threads about it got deleted :}

[Tigerious]

By the way, we are still waiting for another list for years. The f*cking list of Boss drops. This could prevent from cheated/duped amulets/rings.

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Banlist doesn't change anything
That have to be simply wrong.
Newton's law III: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
So it'll change something for sure - let's find out what.
I read so many prophecys before updates... it's up to us to make us :jacky_chun: later.


This isn't prophecy. You just have to know those people.
I was right with any preupdate conclusions.
I'm always right, once I thought I wasn't right and it turned I was wrong .


PS: i'm still a german searching for the right english words..sry. :cuac:

Don't worry as long as you don't use "cuz" or childlish-retardish dialect of english, I will discuss.

[PT_DaAr_PT]

I basically said that though - "adding trolls, purple fever carriers, spammers, and harassers is a bit silly and accomplishes nothing." As for the word being passed by players, you know as well as I do that "the word" being passed is quite often inaccurate. Back on Raven "the word" used to say I have speed hacks, cast speed hacks, invincibility hacks, teleportation hacks, and my personal favorite... "crash everyone that attacks me" hacks.

In short I agree with you, about most of the people on the list. When it comes to bug abusers though, I see no reason their offenses shouldn't be public. People cheat in to gain something, whether that be RP, gear, or victories, and when they're caught cheating, whatever they have gained by it should be taken away. We do that with duped gear already, and for people who abuse for RP or an easy win, a list like this seems like a fair punishment.

Imagine for a moment that Tigerious wasn't such a great guy, and GameSamba found out that since the beginning of time he's been using a bug to increase his damage, attack speed, and rate of success on Mind Squasher. Bad Tigerious, first time bug abuser, his ban is 7 days. No one knows, no one knows why he was banned or even that he was banned at all. For all we know he just spent a week on vacation. He comes back, and still has 1st place on the RP rankings, all RP gained by cheating, and no one is the wiser. Not really very fair, is it?

(disclaimer: tigerious is not a haxxor, i checked the list.)

It's true that half of the rumoring made by players isn't accurate, either. For that reason most rumors remain nothing but rumors. But someone eventually finds proof and the truth comes out. This is something that the hall of shame diminishes. Nobody cares about the evidence. If GameSamba writes it on a sticky post then it must be true and that's all what people care about.

If players who took advantage of game mechanics to guarantee a place in the rankings had to be exposed, a list of names would just not be enough. They'd have to present a reason, too. The way it's done right now, nobody knows how those people got caught. It just tells us we have save campers, spammers, glitchers and, the worst of them all, purple fever carriers(eeeeek).

But I still don't feel convinced that it's a good implementation. First of all, if someone were glitching throughout the years he wouldn't get an easy 7 day ban, and people would have known about it anyway. Second, I think the rankings example is drawn a bit out of proportion, most of us know how these people get their daily dose of RP and it's not by cheating but by legally taking advantage of the game mechanics that are mostly on their favor. GameSamba can't point their fingers at such people, even though they are trying with the save campers, but they aren't doing anything that counts as cheating, people just don't like when they get killed at the save. so it no fair! Probably almost no one who is on the top rankings is a cheater but we all know their RP isn't earned in a noble fashion. Your version of the hall of shame would still remain inaccurate.

[VandaMan]

Nobody cares about the evidence. If GameSamba writes it on a sticky post then it must be true and that's all what people care about.

If players who took advantage of game mechanics to guarantee a place in the rankings had to be exposed, a list of names would just not be enough. They'd have to present a reason, too. The way it's done right now, nobody knows how those people got caught.

Ideally we should be able to trust our GMs to only ban people if they have solid evidence. Do with that what you will, I realize we're not at that point. As for presenting a reason, I don't see a problem with that, provided the reasons are fairly general and categorical, but I doubt that's what you mean. They obviously can't post all of the evidence and exact circumstances for every player they ban, for more reasons than the fact that it'd be a lot of work.


But I still don't feel convinced that it's a good implementation. First of all, if someone were glitching throughout the years he wouldn't get an easy 7 day ban, and people would have known about it anyway. Second, I think the rankings example is drawn a bit out of proportion, most of us know how these people get their daily dose of RP and it's not by cheating but by legally taking advantage of the game mechanics that are mostly on their favor. GameSamba can't point their fingers at such people, even though they are trying with the save campers, but they aren't doing anything that counts as cheating, people just don't like when they get killed at the save. so it no fair! Probably almost no one who is on the top rankings is a cheater but we all know their RP isn't earned in a noble fashion. Your version of the hall of shame would still remain inaccurate.

I'm not convinced it's a good implementation either, I'm just not opposed to the concept. As for the first time bug abuser not getting off as easy as a 7 day ban, I think you might be surprised. NGD's banning seems to be either completely random, or based on purchase history, and GameSamba's banning feels like it's more based on how the player treats the GMs (before and after being caught) than the seriousness of the offense. About the top rankings guys, I didn't actually mean to say that I think they're cheaters, and certainly not that I think the rankings are meaningful, just that being caught cheating should demolish any good reputation you've earned as a player.

I think most of the difference in opinion here can be attributed to different philosophies on punishment. Retributive punishment theory would tell us we need to ban these players, because they've done bad things and need/deserve to suffer. Utilitarian punishment theory would say no one deserves to suffer, but we should punish offenders in a way that discourages them and others from making the same offense, because that offense is bad for the community as a whole.

Banning a player and keeping that ban strictly between NGD/GameSamba and the player punishes them, but does nothing to discourage anyone else from making the same mistake. Naturally it's never that simple, and people do find out when others are banned many times, but I don't find that adequate.

Overthinking? Most likely, but I do love to play devil's advocate =D

[Kitsuni]

Lol you guys made them edit half the people out of that list. This is popcorn worthy!

[Ulti19]

ridiculous. So many new players to join an mmo, and they do not know that you cant kill by a save and people get banned.

[Lucky_Luke]

Scyther's thread made my day. Pathetic like the rest of GS' brilliant ideas. This game is getting worse everyday and I'm just starting to wonder if I should come back from GW2... someday.

Unfulfilled promises, everlasting bugs, brilliant GS' staff and new "useful" mounts - this is how RO looks for me now. What a shame!

[TheMessenger]

Scyther's thread made my day. Pathetic like the rest of GS' brilliant ideas. This game is getting worse everyday and I'm just starting to wonder if I should come back from GW2... someday.

Unfulfilled promises, everlasting bugs, brilliant GS' staff and new "useful" mounts - this is how RO looks for me now. What a shame!

Free blowjobs from everyone in Noobstyle. if you come back bby <3

[Shwish]

I don't understand how this can be such a big deal for those people who apparently aren't cheaters, trolls, save campers etc.

Also, anyone who's been involved in any online game knows that you aren't allowed to save/corpse camp and its total BS if they say they didn't know.

I'm glad they removed the trolls section because of the two alsius members I can say one is nowhere close to being a troll. The other one is an epic troll though.

[roonwick]

I don't understand how this can be such a big deal for those people who apparently aren't cheaters, trolls, save campers etc.


because someone is making up the rules and punishments as they go. because some types of punishments are unacceptable to some people. because some people care about justice.

[Hopeakettu]

because someone is making up the rules and punishments as they go. because some types of punishments are unacceptable to some people. because some people care about justice.

Freedom! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6zGEBhJMHA)

[Shwish]

because someone is making up the rules and punishments as they go. because some types of punishments are unacceptable to some people. because some people care about justice.

I don't understand. Are you being sarcastic or are you encouraging cheating?

The rules are pretty straight forward. They have always been that way its just that before the merge there wasn't anyone online in Horus to enforce it most of the time. Obey them and you have nothing to worry about.

[roonwick]

I don't understand. Are you being sarcastic or are you encouraging cheating?

The rules are pretty straight forward. They have always been that way its just that before the merge there wasn't anyone online in Horus to enforce it most of the time. Obey them and you have nothing to worry about.

Neither. I'm being serious and do not encourage or condone cheating. I'm not on the name and shame list. Indeed, the rules are straightforward, and gamesamba even published what punishment goes with what 'crime'. Having a name and shame list is not on the list of punishments, someone made up that extra punishment.

[PT_DaAr_PT]

Ideally we should be able to trust our GMs to only ban people if they have solid evidence. Do with that what you will, I realize we're not at that point. As for presenting a reason, I don't see a problem with that, provided the reasons are fairly general and categorical, but I doubt that's what you mean. They obviously can't post all of the evidence and exact circumstances for every player they ban, for more reasons than the fact that it'd be a lot of work.




I'm not convinced it's a good implementation either, I'm just not opposed to the concept. As for the first time bug abuser not getting off as easy as a 7 day ban, I think you might be surprised. NGD's banning seems to be either completely random, or based on purchase history, and GameSamba's banning feels like it's more based on how the player treats the GMs (before and after being caught) than the seriousness of the offense. About the top rankings guys, I didn't actually mean to say that I think they're cheaters, and certainly not that I think the rankings are meaningful, just that being caught cheating should demolish any good reputation you've earned as a player.

I think most of the difference in opinion here can be attributed to different philosophies on punishment. Retributive punishment theory would tell us we need to ban these players, because they've done bad things and need/deserve to suffer. Utilitarian punishment theory would say no one deserves to suffer, but we should punish offenders in a way that discourages them and others from making the same offense, because that offense is bad for the community as a whole.

Banning a player and keeping that ban strictly between NGD/GameSamba and the player punishes them, but does nothing to discourage anyone else from making the same mistake. Naturally it's never that simple, and people do find out when others are banned many times, but I don't find that adequate.

Overthinking? Most likely, but I do love to play devil's advocate =D

It's not a matter of mistrusting GameSamba employees, even though I do. The problem is that human error is certain so if they happen to put someone on the list who did nuffin wrong then who are people going to believe? Unlike rumors, a GMs word is holy. The amount of complaints on the forum would just rise because bans would no longer be a private subject between player and company, everyone would want to have a say(or a laugh) on it.

However, you made a good point, keeping bans private between company and user won't expose those who cheat to get on the top but on those cases their points would have certainly have been revoked, I think there was a case like that before in a tournament years ago. But I still believe it's incorrect to release names with the sole intent to cause grief between players. Being incorrectly labelled as a troll is the most annoying thing it can happen to anyone. Glad to see they actually got rid of that section.

Releasing names just brings more trouble than it's worth it.

NGD has once released a list of the amount of people who got banned for magna duping, per server. That was an interesting insight and its purpose was solely to present the seriousness of the matter and it didn't need to point fingers at anyone to get its message across. I think letting players know how many people got in trouble for what, instead of who got in trouble, would be a better approach. It would also eliminate possible attention whoring.

[DkySven]

I remember several of the GameSamba moderators being banned by NGD once.

[Alsian-Ylse]

Wow, while utterly silly the list is, it is also severely lacking in the number of names that should be on it, if indeed such a list were going to be truthful. :)

There are easily a good 30 or 40 that belong on there as well.

[Kitsuni]

I remember several of the GameSamba moderators being banned by NGD once.
This. If people made a list of people banned by NGD, they would be suprised how many GameSamba GMs and GCs are on it. By default GCs and GMs hide their identity, but it isn't usually hard to figure out who they are by their behavioral patterns, especially if you know them personally.

My suggestion to NGD: Be more careful about what is going on. You're letting too much slip under the radar regarding GameSamba; this makes them look bad. They come off as simultaneously helpful and professional, yet at times childish because neither NGD nor GS seem to have a proper control over their own employees. Their role in this game is influencing it too much when it is needed, and not enough when it is actually needed. The fact that they would make a list such as this just goes to show that ; and that's adding on top of how much discussion there has always been about whether they are actually doing a good job or just messing things up.

I'm not attacking GS here; I'm saying that its time for both companies to grow up and be more professional. Even if saying this earns me a ban; NGD needs to realize that even they often act childish and unprofessional, throwing out bans as they see fit, defending their game and forums as a "policed state", the incident with Tesi comes to mind. It has always been like this, but has gotten worse over time. These kinds of events makes it hard for the community to like you. Understand this. The same goes for GameSamba and their traits like "random GM behavior", "rules that nobody knows" and "hall of shame".

Look at how dead the forums are these days. Even the game is pretty dead compared to the past; not even a server merge helped much.

Nobody is asking you guys to be a multi-million dollar MMORPG company here. We're just asking for someone to take five extra minutes of their day, each day, and make sure that everything is going smoothly. Post lists of rules, update a roadmap, answer some questions, have chats with GMs about how to behave, things like that. If you continue on the current haphazard course of just doing what you want or what you can afford, the game will be in even worse shape because there are so many great games out there now (even on Linux), that Regnum just quickly seems to be losing interest and steam. You're still trying to make a "1.0 quality" version of a game that is six years old, you can't afford to also appear unprofessional at the same time if you want to attract and retain new players.

Either have a bad game or have bad admins; it's not a good idea to have both.

[Vaylos]

Man, talk about an all time new low. Hall of shame!? O EM GEE!


I can overlook the favoritism and letting people get by, laziness, whatever. But publicly posting names of trouble makers is a huuuuge no-no in my book. I mean, isn't there like an unwritten rule about not starting witch-hunts? I mean this practically makes it an open door for mud slinging and a devolvement of the community into petty "he-said she-said, but look it's posted here." There is a reason most companies don't post Ban or Shame lists. This was not a smart act by gamesamba, and it is not for the good of the player community. They are certainly not taking the higher road here.

For the record I don't know anyone on the list, haven't even seen them in the game. I'm also as much of a cheat hater as most. I remember I was chasing down a lone mage with a buddy of mine, and the mage kept "conveniently" popping ahead another 10 or so meters everytime I manged to get close enough for a shot to slow him down. In the end, me, a hunter, and my buddy, a marks, could not catch the guy. We weren't going to chase him across the whole of the damn map...and he was unmounted. He was a conj by the way.

I would have blamed lag or packet loss, but in my experience on many different games...including games where "lag shield" is often an occurrence....lag is not that regular or convenient. It tends to be more sporadic. Pretty sure he was, as someone told me the term, "ghosting."

Anyway, just because I can't stand lowlifes who resort to the cheap way of doing stuff, doesn't mean they should publicly be humiliated or shamed. Handle it quietly, cleanly, and just keep banning the sot if he comes back making troubles. Publicly listing the names wont' make the problem go away, and it's just going to create a bunch of finger pointing from the community. :P

[Zas_]

This hall of shame is ... a shame.

What about a Wall of Fame for those who are trying to apply your fuzzy rules ?

[Lucky_Luke]

They come off as simultaneously helpful and professional, yet at times childish because neither NGD nor GS seem to have a proper control over their own employees.

You can't have proper control over the employees if they are scattered around the world, getting pocket money for their "work". Most of GMs are just random people who has seen the GS office once or even never, so the supervision is just minimal.

[erttzzadfk]

I'm sorry but i still like a banlist for RO. I really dont care about some pathetic arguments in here.
When i started playing RO i would have been with you "citizens of utopia" and an opponent of a public banlist but not after 4 years playing this game....
And i saw too many opportunists in game to believe in all "Mother Teresas and Gandhis" in here writting some pathetic posts about "how i paint my little world".
Something has to be done against bugusers, cheater etc and a banlist isnt a new instrument. It's not an idea of GS (http://www.vacbanned.com/listing/banned); it has become normal for many servers and electronic sport leagues as well.. so love or hate but finally take it.
Better to lose ~5 players cause they dont like to play a game with a banlist then losing many ppl by thinking nothing is done to keep the rules of a game..!
(and what kind of players will finally stay in this two different "models"?)

[roonwick]

I'm sorry but i still like a banlist for RO. I really dont care about some pathetic arguments in here.
When i started playing RO i would have been with you "citizens of utopia" and an opponent of a public banlist but not after 4 years playing this game....
And i saw too many opportunists in game to believe in all "Mother Teresas and Gandhis" in here writting some pathetic posts about "how i paint my little world".
Something has to be done against bugusers, cheater etc and a banlist isnt a new instrument. It's not an idea of GS (http://www.vacbanned.com/listing/banned); it has become normal for many servers and electronic sport leagues as well.. so love or hate but finally take it.
Better to lose ~5 players cause they dont like to play a game with a banlist then losing many ppl by thinking nothing is done to keep the rules of a game..!
(and what kind of players will finally stay in this two different "models"?)

There is nothing pathetic about people having a different and valid opinion. up to now this has been a good discussion, as soon as you start calling people's opinion pathetic, the discussion starts to derail. This idea of the dark ages of public naming and shaming simply doesnt work in any positive way, and falls outside the rules as they have been written, ergo it is against the rules. Those rules state the penalty for cheating and abuse quite clearly, and naming and shaming is NOT in the rules.

[erttzzadfk]

There is nothing pathetic about people having a different and valid opinion. up to now this has been a good discussion, as soon as you start calling people's opinion pathetic, the discussion starts to derail. This idea of the dark ages of public naming and shaming simply doesnt work in any positive way, and falls outside the rules as they have been written, ergo it is against the rules. Those rules state the penalty for cheating and abuse quite clearly, and naming and shaming is NOT in the rules.
I'll tell you the reason why i used this word "pathetic" two times in my post....i read it too often in this thread..so i finally feel you.
(edit: i searched this thread for this word now..wasn't that often although i was sure this was my motivation. Hm, i'm sorry in this point).
A ban isnt smth positive too. Finally any instrument of punishment by administration isnt positive when you look at it the way you want me to see it too.
..is NOT in the rules..remember the disclaimer etc. when you log on.

[roonwick]

I'll tell you the reason why i used this word "pathetic" two times in my post....i read it too often in this thread..so i finally feel you.
(edit: i searched this thread for this word now..wasn't that often although i was sure this was my motivation. Hm, i'm sorry in this point).
A ban isnt smth positive too. Finally any instrument of punishment by administration isnt positive when you look at it the way you want me to see it too.
..is NOT in the rules..remember the disclaimer etc. when you log on.

they can change the rules (within the law ofcourse), but they didn't. Those rules are for GMs too. That's why they stated the penalties for infringements. Those penalties are rules for the GMs.

if in the real world the maximum penalty for theft is 2 years, a judge can't just sentence someone to 3 years just because he feels like it. For that, you need to change the law.

[erttzzadfk]

At this point i'll have a little conversation problem caused by our different languages. To read all terms and conditions in english too after reading them several times in german now to have the same discussion i already left in an other place.
I asked at the german forum for a banlist too. Other players wrote the same arguments written in here too.
So we (users) found a compromise: A player who sends screenshots, videos about an other player who seemed to break the rules would get the information about sanction or not. At this point the thread was closed by a moderator. No arguments or any word about the compromise of the thread.
Only Reason: It wouldnt be able to realize a banlist by terms and conditions.

So i argumentated the ranking would have the same problems with terms and conditions (personal data rights etc) and opened a new thread.
I was told to be wrong based on the argument:"same rules for gms/mods" etc. this data are positive...thats something totally different (for a law, terms and conditions..?).
The compromise still wasnt answered.
Later i recived a pm from the german CoMa the "upper leadership" of gamigo dont want such a compromise too. (Take it or leave it..).

So i thought about everything. What's the reason why you dont get detailed informations when you sent screens and videos. Why dont they tell me all the good arguments for it instead of "the upper leadership dont want to".
Why did i get the answer via pm instead of a public answer in the thread.
Think about it..this way it wouldnt be a "wich hunt"...

So there was nothing left to do. Sanctions wont become more transparent; frustrated players will go on leaving the game. Not all players. Some never really get in touch with cheaters etc. but its a big topic for real pvp-player. (There arent gms/gcs at the german servers 24/7 like at gs-servers too btw i they dont get money - they are players).

I asked them to change the color of /ignored players (grey) cause for me players are left with cheaters, flamers etc. there and i thought it would be a little help for a self-regulated system.
Shall i really tell you how the some "players" argumentated to avoid this too?

At the end for me is just one question left "do we want this game a place to be withou cheaters, trolls, spammers, bugusers, flamer or dont we"?

We'll have to give smth to get it - that's a fact.
And after 4 years this is ok for me !

PS: I left the Gamigo servers just a few days ago finally now cause there isnt much left that reminds me how i loved this game when i started to play and i was surprised and happy to see GameSamba is doing something.

[Seher]

I'm sorry but i still like a banlist for RO.

Yes, many players would love that. It’s still wrong. And sorry to disappoint you, Gamesamba is about as unprofessional as Gamigo 3 years ago. Gamigo is rather professional now. Which isn’t necessarily better all the time, of course, but it usually is.

[erttzzadfk]

Yes, many players would love that. It’s still wrong. And sorry to disappoint you, Gamesamba is about as unprofessional as Gamigo 3 years ago. Gamigo is rather professional now. Which isn’t necessarily better all the time, of course, but it usually is.
Posts like that are easy to answer after i wrote a book one post before (http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1638414&postcount=80):
No, i dont think so. :dumbofme:

[Seher]

You can think whatever you want, it’s still not true. And your so called compromise is hardly one, as you’ve stated yourself: It can still be used to create a banlist. And that’s what you want, isn’t it? What other reason is there to want to know about bans? You’ll notice if they reacted to your request when players start missing anyway. That’s already enough for your witch hunt, giving out more detailed information about the ban is just too much.

[erttzzadfk]

You can think whatever you want, it’s still not true. And your so called compromise is hardly one, as you’ve stated yourself: It can still be used to create a banlist. And that’s what you want, isn’t it? What other reason is there to want to know about bans? You’ll notice if they reacted to your request when players start missing anyway. That’s already enough for your witch hunt, giving out more detailed information about the ban is just too much.

Informations could be used to create an own banlist. And that's what you want, isnt it?" and this would end in a wichhunt too etc...
It becomes boring, im sry.
We should kick all sanctions, cause someone could hear from other users about it and it would end in a wichhunt.
And everything will become much better. People will find out the reasons for the rules by themselves, and act on their own experiences in future.
Welcome to a wonderful world..:thumb:
PS: Hope some politicans of our rl read this too so will have peace in the whole world soon instead of this dark aged police states. And remember: sometimes your laws hit the wrong people...that's a reason to kick our laws as soon as possible too.
At the end for me is just one question left "do we want this game a place to be withou cheaters, trolls, spammers, bugusers, flamer or dont we"?

We'll have to give smth to get it - that's a fact.
And after 4 years this is ok for me !
We all know NGD's game Bunch of Heroes (http://www.bunchofheroes.com/) since the release 2011-09-21. NGD is working with Steam (Valve) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_(software)). The installed Anticheat used there is VAC (https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869).
12 million players / 700.000 of them official said "i'm cheating". Source: http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.4915v1
Perhaps it makes more sense to write in the GameSamba forum if you've got problems with a ban list there cause i dont think NGD here is the "big brother" you might be looking for when i'm looking at something like this: Ban List based on Steam IDs caught with VAC (http://www.vacbanned.com/listing/banned)
And i'm not talking about a simple character nickname. Have a look here: What is a STEAM ID? (https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamID)

[Seher]

Informations could be used to create an own banlist. And that's what you want, isnt it?" and this would end in a wichhunt too etc...
It becomes boring, im sry.

What else do you want that information for, other than defaming players? Do you want a confirmation that they actually ban someone? That’s ridiculous. Do you think they don’t ban if there’s no list? That’s even more ridiculous. And childish.

Hey, look, we are banning people! Can I haz cookie?

[erttzzadfk]

After reading your post i start to understand. All publishers out there who are using banlists do it to get some cookies. Thank you for opening my eyes.

It think i told you now what i'm thinking about this topic and what i think about this thread specially in this forum here.
Was writing enough in here to explain why im thinking what i'm still thinking.
The last one out turns off the lights. :wish:

[philip111]

game sambas lame.

[Vaylos]

Seher, I understand you, believe me, but I think you should stop feeding the troll. It's obvious he's only going to think that his way (ban list for teh winz!) is the right way.

However in the interest of support of a ban list....please cite examples of other well known games (preferably top tier along the lines of Dark Age of Camelot, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Rift, etc. etc.) Oh, maybe not WoW because the community sucks ass. In the games that actually have a defame (ban) list, does it really do any good? Really? And what are the communities like?

Rather than say "other games use them and have low amounts of cheaters" Cite examples, otherwise it is meaningless.

Anyway, the point is, the ban list does no good period. Cheaters gonna cheat. Hell, having a notoriety list might encourage more trolls and cheaters just for sh*ts and giggles. Just because there is a list doesn't mean there is going to be a reduction of cheating. Bans will happen regardless of whether there is a list or not. The list just shows no tact on the part of the company. That's all.

[Torcida]

Honestly don't you guys have anything better to do then to complain about this?

[Seher]

After reading your post i start to understand. All publishers out there who are using banlists do it to get some cookies.

Yes, that’s pretty much it. The biggest advantage for the company doing it is showing off how good and diligent they are at catching cheaters. Not much of a benefit for the user.

Seher, I understand you, believe me, but I think you should stop feeding the troll.

[continues feeding the troll]

xD

[erttzzadfk]

Rather than say "other games use them and have low amounts of cheaters" Cite examples, otherwise it is meaningless.

Games using Steam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Steam_games
Games using Punkbuster:
http://www.pbbans.com/mbi.php
The publisher of Dragona, Cross Fire, Twelve Sky2, Special Force, Weapons of War:
http://forums.gameclub.ph/index.php?topic=193549.0
**(Wow is a good example with plugins like that: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/black-list-siv0968)
..use google to find out yourself.

I didnt say they have a low amount of cheaters. There's no game left with a low amount of cheaters - that's the problem..
12 million users playing via Steam. 700.000 users official said "i'm cheating". (http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.4915v1)
That's what i told you.
Our game here hasnt an active Anticheat-Shield. So do you really wanna tell me cheating isnt a problem in this game...?^^
Or do you wanna tell me there would be the same number of cheaters at games using Steams VAC or Punkbuster without Anticheat-Shield?
Tell me the reason why publishers put so much money in smth like that..^^
I know the answer what would happen to all this games in a very short time, cause i played there a long time
(had 3 gameservers running there before i started to play Regnum 4 years ago).
So dont try to tell me something like that and it would be nice if you wouldnt call me a troll - cause im not.

I dont know many popular game servers without an active anticheat-shield, banlist or smth like that; what could be the reason?

[Vaylos]

Okay, I'll bite, maybe you're not a troll.

Nobody said cheating is not a problem in this game, quite the contrary. People are saying that the ban list really doesn't help in removing the problem of cheating. If anything it aggravates the situation. It is a step sideways, not a step forward.

Honestly I don't know if RO has an anti-cheat shield or not. Supposedly they do have a basic layer implemented, at least against the cheat engine software, but as often as that program gets updated, the anti-cheat shield is probably not as effective as it could be, but it probably does prevent the more obvious hacks.

And I'm curious as to why the cheat shield was brought up? We're strictly talking about a list of names, and it's effectiveness, not a software implementation of a cheat prevention system. (although having such a layer, or an improved tool, or auto-ban sort of thing might not be a bad idea)

@Seher, yeah, I know, I know. ;P

Edit: Did some google searching.

I did some searching, and even Runescape, of all games, took down an official ban list because (copy/pasted from a forum post) http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/g=runescape/forums.ws?54,55,216,60722982,goto,72 The post is towards the bottom of the page.
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There is no official public Jagex "suspicion list", because if they really knew who was who I would hope that they would ban them and not just keep a list.

At one point, Jagex was keeping a public ban-list, but they pulled it down because it simply encouraged people to act like clowns who where trying to be "most wanted"..
---------------

I did some further search queries via google trying to locate games with official company-sanctioned ban lists.....not user-generated ban lists.....and I have been unable to find such postings at least within the first few pages of the search. I might have to look deeper or peek around official forums.

My point, is public lists of user names who are permanently banned are not needed. They detract from the quality of the community. I mean, hell, if RUNESCAPE of all games removed the official ban list, you KNOW the list cannot be a good idea. (I mean, Jagex is not exactly a pristine company to start with)

[53453467734534]

A company shouldn´t create a ban list. This is witch hunting, may encourage
trolls and looks unconfident to my way of thinking.

And i really don´t think, that save camping should be a bannable offence.
RO is a war game, not a friendly PVE grinder. Altar guards are present to "punish" you, if you overact. If that is still not enough, how about necrostacy, or negative realm points (again). But this has to be regulated ingame.

[Shwish]

Honestly don't you guys have anything better to do then to complain about this?

This guy deserves a +1.

[erttzzadfk]

I had a second look to your example. It's good...have a look what the players are thinking although there is an anticheat.
Perhaps you'll find an answer why some publishers act like this...http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=628624

If Regnum would have a real anticheatshield they would post its name everywhere. In the starter, on the first site...etc.
So there is no known mechanism to prevent cheating instead of having to react.
What kind of instruments do we've got against cheating, bugusing, etc atm...?
1. GMs
- at GameSamba-Servers 24/7 and payed
- at gamigo servers they are players. Doing this job without getting money. Sometimes seen in the realms - not seen in wz - perhaps there sometimes too, perhaps not.

2. Players making screens, videos and send them to GMs/MODs without getting an answer what was finally done. Perhaps they see still see the other player all the time in game by thinking "ok, why did i make this screens/vids?" but it's really not often that someone who sends screens, vids will get out what was done with these informations and why.

So it's a system, based on the players themselves. Reason: GMs cant be everywhere, everytime. And it's important to keep such a system running by keeping the trust of the players.
You cant keep all players trusting in something is done if there's nothing they notice. But they notice other players writing all the time in the forums "nothing was done my screens or videos".
I dont say they are all right. I dont say everybody who reported something was right by thinking "i was punked by a cheater".
But every single post makes such a playerbased system weaker.

That's why i think it's important to make it more transparent. But how?
- A banlist
- Informations to reporting players what was finally done.
- Writing in "News" we banned 50 people last year doesnt help to keep players believing enough in this system to keep them reporting.
And when they stop reporting, this very basic system is down too and nothing left against cheating in this game except some players using their free time to fill out the GM-job or some payed GMs, hoping the players believe them.

I think gamigo has reached this point. And GameSamba made a step in the other direction now.

I would prefer GameSamba simply call this list "Ban List" to make it not that easy attackable with beautiful words like "wichhunt", that makes us close our eyes for the whole and needed process of sanctions.
Supposedly they do have a basic layer implemented, at least against the cheat engine software, but as often as that program gets updated, the anti-cheat shield is probably not as effective as it could be, but it probably does prevent the more obvious hacks.
PS: Tell me how you get any information there would be such a basic layer?
Im really very interested in this question.

[roonwick]

A company shouldn´t create a ban list. This is witch hunting, may encourage
trolls and looks unconfident to my way of thinking.

And i really don´t think, that save camping should be a bannable offence.
RO is a war game, not a friendly PVE grinder. Altar guards are present to "punish" you, if you overact. If that is still not enough, how about necrostacy, or negative realm points (again). But this has to be regulated ingame.

negative RP doesnt do anything... negative wm coins however are a different kettle of tea.. or not being able to finish quests for 24 hours...

[erttzzadfk]

negative RP doesnt do anything... negative wm coins however are a different kettle of tea.. or not being able to finish quests for 24 hours...
Could be done by the game mechanism. Guards at all binds. (Some players already are wms on wm-horses..)
There is just a little problem. The positions of some binds atm.
Too near to the castles and would disturb or disbalance battles.
The old positions would not have caused such a problem.
I dont see a problem if i wouldnt be able to finish wm-quests in 24h , when all other players have the same problem btw.

[Vaylos]

The information was brought up on a thread during one of the larger update phases. I don't remember which one, but it was about a year and a half, maybe 2 years ago? People were mentioning using cheat engine or blatant hacking, and someone on NGD's side mentioned something about having something in place to help prevent it. I don't remember names or which thread it was, but I think it was mentioned during one of the larger update phases.

That's all I remember, and that discussion was the first time I had heard of the cheat engine program. *shrug* wish I could be more specific, but I just don't remember.

[Raoh]

I say, take the Rockstar solution.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120615/13250219347/interesting-strategy-rockstar-games-to-dump-cheaters-into-game-where-they-only-play-other-cheaters.shtml

Cheaters wont play against themselves, nor get anywhere.

From the Article
Anyone found to have used hacked saves, modded games, or other exploits to gain an unfair advantage in Max Payne 3 Multiplayer, or to circumvent the leaderboards will be quarantined from all other players into a "Cheaters Pool", where they'll only be able to compete in multiplayer matches with other confirmed miscreants. In the event we decide to absolve any of these cheaters for their past transgressions they may re-enter play with the general public, however a second offense will result in their indefinite banishment. In either case, we will be removing invalid leaderboard entries to ensure that the players at the top of the charts have earned their spots fairly.

[erttzzadfk]

@Vaylos: Ok, i see. I was thinking you get it out yourself "learning by doing".
After explaining me now, how you get this information im really sorry to have thought smth like that! :hat:
@Raoh: I'm really surprised to read something constructive in here. :huh:
It's not the first time i'm talking about this topic and i never heard about this rockstar solution before. Sounds very interesting and could be an option to handle this topic.
I dont think there will be enough interest to get money for another server. But we've got the testserver Amun and players are needed to play there.
Perhaps it would be possible to put this "cheater pool" we are talking about there step by step.
Not every cheater is just using complete programs like c* e* or smth like that. Some are interested in coding too - so perhaps it would be a chance for a constructive and finally helpful contact between cheaters and developers too, while having enough players to test updates there without losing customers and i'm sure it would be fair too to replace these players from the "normal" ranking to an "own" ranking this way.
@NGD-Team: What do you think about this idea?

[Vaylos]

Yeah, honestly I wouldn't know the first thing about cheating, altering packets or hacking a multiplayer online game. Certainly not an MMO. I mean, I just don't see the need or reason for it. It's one thing to do it in some single player game where you're playing against the computer, but in a game where you're playing with teams and such against fellow warm bodies...well...what's the point?

Anyway, yeah, I'm a musician and sound guy (formerly an IT guy) not a hacker, haha!

[Seher]

Well, they do record things, that could count as a proper anti cheat “shield”. It is the smarter way anyway, especially for a small company like NGD. If you immediately tell crackers when they’ve been found out, they can develop counter measures much easier. Keeping things sketchy helps. Programs that don’t immediately throw you out when you’re trying to run a crack are much harder to break. I don’t know much about this stuff, I know just which programs get cracked immediately and which even don’t get cracked at all, so someone actually knowing his stuff could shed some more light on this, but I doubt anyone will. :P

Anyway, a window popping up and saying “hey, you’re running cheat engine, so Regnum won’t” is dumb. :P

- Writing in "News" we banned 50 people last year doesnt help to keep players believing enough in this system to keep them reporting.

You don’t believe that they only ban people when they actually say so, do you? So why do you want them to? I don’t get it, really.

You WILL notice yourself when someone who has been bothering you suddenly starts missing. End of the story. Maybe you want more reason to complain about why someone hasn’t been banned yet? ;-)

Transparency with bans leads to witch hunts, more jerks being proud of their bans, more jerks flaming against them, maybe even more people trying to get innocent players banned, and more controversy for unpopular sanctions. I still fail to see the positive points.

[erttzzadfk]

I'm sorry, Seher but your're repaeting all the time the same stuff.
All your question were already detailed answered..scroll back back to have a look. So i'll give up to try to explain you my motivation and find different arguments again and again and again now.
You want nothing to be done. You still believe in our actual reporting system. I understand that.
But didnt you recognized all these players who left this game by being frustrated reporting and nothing was done in their eyes? You cant be that blind. They will not write here and we both know many germans wont write here too although they might think the same. I left the gamigo forum and the reporting system is again a new topic in this forum, where many players gave up to write and not the niecest players left to stay and make it their own forum now.
I really ask myself whats your real reason to post against every single idea of prevent or avoid cheating in this game.
I was numbered the actuall options we've got...i explained why it's important to keep players to believe reporting makes sense and why many stop to believe in this reporting system and i explained my own motivation to write here very detailed too, told you why i think NGD cant be the "big brother" you might be looking for and why i think this thread is in the wrong forum. If you dont want to see all this i cant help you to do.
Raoh told us an other new option now how to handle cheaters and it sounds interesting so i thought about how it perhaps could be realized.
I say, take the Rockstar solution.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120615/13250219347/interesting-strategy-rockstar-games-to-dump-cheaters-into-game-where-they-only-play-other-cheaters.shtml

Cheaters wont play against themselves, nor get anywhere.

From the Article
Anyone found to have used hacked saves, modded games, or other exploits to gain an unfair advantage in Max Payne 3 Multiplayer, or to circumvent the leaderboards will be quarantined from all other players into a "Cheaters Pool", where they'll only be able to compete in multiplayer matches with other confirmed miscreants. In the event we decide to absolve any of these cheaters for their past transgressions they may re-enter play with the general public, however a second offense will result in their indefinite banishment. In either case, we will be removing invalid leaderboard entries to ensure that the players at the top of the charts have earned their spots fairly.

@Raoh: I'm really surprised to read something constructive in here. *:huh:
It's not the first time i'm talking about this topic and i never heard about this rockstar solution before. Sounds very interesting and could be an option to handle this topic.
I dont think there will be enough interest to get money for another server. But we've got the testserver Amun and players are needed to play there.
Perhaps it would be possible to put this "cheater pool" we are talking about there step by step.
Not every cheater is just using complete programs like c* e* or smth like that. Some are interested in coding too - so perhaps it would be a chance for a constructive and finally helpful contact between cheaters and developers too, while having enough players to test updates there without losing customers and i'm sure it would be fair too to replace these players from the "normal" ranking to an "own" ranking this way.
@NGD-Team: What do you think about this idea?
But you still go on to talk about your "witchhunt" plot..ignoring all the aspects that were already written in this thread. Asking questions that were answered before very detailed...it's simply destructive and starts to disturb now.

[Seher]

But you still go on to talk about your "witchhunt" plot..

I go on about all potential issues and ask you to do the same for positive points, nothing else.

But didnt you recognized all these players who left this game by being frustrated reporting and nothing was done in their eyes?

Players leave due to other reasons. You know, I’ve been playing this game, too. I’ve rarely been annoyed by cheating, I don’t know many players who are. I know a shitload of players though who are just pissed off because of the lack of balance. (Decision of NGD to focus on balance about as much as prostitutes on their virginity — well, their pigeon, and different topic)

I really ask myself whats your real reason to post against every single idea of prevent or avoid cheating in this game.

They’re dumb. And even if they actually worked, it wouldn’t make that a huge difference to lose your head about.
Do you really think there’s an easy solution to cheating? A cute little idea someone like you could have that no company on this planet has had yet?

i explained why it's important to keep players to believe reporting makes sense

No, you didn’t. Only idiots with an IQ well below room temperature start to believe that no one gets banned just because there is no information given out on those bans.

[erttzzadfk]

You're right, many players left this game by a well known release actuall, many left this game by invasion stuff, wm stuff, imbalance etc.
But tell me why i saw so many posts all the time (!) of frustrated players who posted videos, screens they made and sent to GMs. How often have you read the sentence "pfff make a screen. I dont care. Nothing will be done^^"?
How often have you read the sentence in forum "our publisher is doing nothing against these ******?" How often have you read the sentence "players who are spending more money for xims then others wont get sanctions"?
I read them all the time i'm playing this game now. All the time !
So where have you been??

I sent myself much material and didnt saw bans be done.
And it really sucks if you dont even get an answer why not.

So smile when you never get in touch with this topic in game but dont tell me all the time i'm wrong when i've got my own experiences.
Be happy you never met cheaters in game and when they all are directly banned if you'll ever meet one.

Go on calling this list a witchhunt - it helps me to see my reporting has an effect and its a step to transparency for me. Defend the players what ever they have done to be written there. Believe NGD will talk to gamesamba and make them delete it again, although NGD is working with steam and will have a hard position to find arguments. Go on - i really dont care. And i will not go on to tell you you're wrong to make you repeat it all the time. Have fun.

I'm more interested in some creative ideas like the one Raoh posted before.
So i'll split this idea out of here to an other thread and wish you all the best with your own witchhunt.

I still like Game Samba's ban list btw and can understand why it was made.
Hope you'll keep it !

PS: The last one out turns off the lights. :wish:

[Darcyeti]

I don't see the need of a ban list, where playernames/charnames are shown in puplic!

The community seems to be cut nearly in half about this list, even most german players (not the ones writing here more often) would like such a list.

There could be a ban list without any names, just telling the kind of ban and number of players banned "last month".
This kind of list would prevent most witchhunting but could spread more rumours about missing players. Someone being on vacation could be called banned without even knowing it.

But still this kind of list would do enough for clearing things up.
No personal datas being spread but still showing "we are reacting" without having problems concerning different laws in different countries.

Just a "short" thinking :wink:

[erttzzadfk]

They will close this thread soon, cause nobody cares. ;)

PS: I just dont think it's right to make a witchhunt in a public forum against one of our publishers.
Perhaps you're GMs of Gamigo using this thread to tell everyone who doesnt want to hear how bad GameSamba is.
What ever, NGD shouldnt keep a thread against their own publisher running.
Btw there is no need to talk about it in public.
You can write emails to GameSamba instead of making a witchhunt here and make this forum becomes dark aged.

[Seher]

But tell me why i saw so many posts all the time (!) of frustrated players who posted videos, screens they made and sent to GMs. How often have you read the sentence "pfff make a screen. I dont care. Nothing will be done^^"?
How often have you read the sentence in forum "our publisher is doing nothing against these ******?" How often have you read the sentence "players who are spending more money for xims then others wont get sanctions"?
I read them all the time i'm playing this game now. All the time !
So where have you been??

When I decide to play a bit, I prefer to PLAY. Meaning, I rather converse with those who want to play as well, and not those who’ve got nothing better to do than complaining about cheaters that I can’t see. :P
And forums don’t count anyway, especially the Gamigo ones, people just log on there to complain. Sure, just listening to the ones complaining all the time makes all problems sound more serious.

About … one time every 2 years?

Go on calling this list a witchhunt - it helps me to see my reporting has an effect

Then you are just dumb. A published list changes nothing at all to their bans. You should know that they ban exactly the same amount of players no matter if they did or didn’t tell you what they did. Why would you still want that list? I don’t think you really are that dumb.

I sent myself much material and didnt saw bans be done.
And it really sucks if you dont even get an answer why not.

Thought so. This is your actual reason. You want someone to be banned, due to whatever reason it was decided that your material wasn’t enough (you know, stuff can be faked, too), and you want to know why. Well, if you just wanted to give them information and let them do their job (it is THEIR job to decide who to ban when and for how long!), you wouldn’t want to. You know your stuff got rejected, that’s everything you need to know. What you want to do is to openly discuss bans, make them revise their decisions, that’s even more of a no go.

witchhunt witchhunt witchhunt witchhunt

Didn’t you notice that I said a bit more than that, or don’t you want to notice?

[erttzzadfk]

I only said it's not the right way to make a witchhunt on our publishers here.
It cant be that hard to understand. You have to be totally dumb if you dont get this.
That's not right and i cant and wont stop to tell you you're on the wrong way by making this forum dark aged this way.

Write emails to GameSamba. Did you?

edit: If you dont like your own word "witchhunt" anymore:
It's ridiculous to cry that cheater's characters would be discredited by a banlist while discrediting GameSamba in this thread this way.
That's a shizophrenic philosopy and shouldn't be tolerated in here.

[GreenAngel]

I think that GS should delete that list, it's no use saying what players have been banned, mostly they don't use their main character or they are stuck somewhere without they even realise it, they get banned and the next day everyone knows you "cheat" while you don't.

@erttzzadfk

If other companies make a banlist, should we do the same? If 20 people jump off a bridge, should we do the same?

[erttzzadfk]

I only said it's not the right way to make a witchhunt on our publishers here.
It cant be that hard to understand. You have to be totally dumb if you dont get this.
That's not right and i cant and wont stop to tell you you're on the wrong way by making this forum dark aged this way.

Write emails to GameSamba. Did you?

edit: If you dont like your own word "witchhunt" anymore:
It's ridiculous to cry that cheater's characters would be discredited by a banlist while discrediting GameSamba in this thread this way.
That's a shizophrenic philosopy and shouldn't be tolerated in here.
You are telling reporting players to write emails and to be glad to receive the answer:"We'll have a look to you're screens/videos. Thanks for sending them." because an answer could be used to make an own banlist and they would see if there's a sanction done to the other player or not.
So i think an automatic suggestion box at GameSamba should be enough too when you send your "I dont like your banlist" emails. Otherwise the answers could be used to be posted at the NGD forum again to go on discrediting GameSamba (business partner of NGD btw). And there's no answer needed because you'll see if the banlist would be deleted or not.
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I think this thread should be deleted..

[Raoh]

Going back to my point.

A banlist achieves nothing. An actual action, like the one I suggested showing how Rockstar deals with the situation, should be achieved.

You put a list up, all it does is draw attention to something without actually doing anything about it. So a persons name is on the list. Does that actual deter anyone from actually attempting to do whatever it is (in this case Cheating). So you have a threat of being banned for it. There are people who cheat every day. People who use glitches, game mechanic loopholes, everyday. What are they doing right now?

Playing.

You want to create a level playing field, quit complaining about it, and get the games betters to actually do something about it. Im sure Tony Ray (the punkbuster guy) would love a stab at this.

[erttzzadfk]

The idea of the Rockstar Solution was splitted out of this thread here to an own thread here (http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92279) because i like this idea too. Dont ask me why i had to split it out instead of the originator did himself. I dont know and i even dont know why he mixes it into the wrong thread again..
So going back forward to my points:
I only said it's not the right way to make a witchhunt on our publishers here.
It cant be that hard to understand. You have to be totally dumb if you dont get this.
That's not right and i cant and wont stop to tell you you're on the wrong way by making this forum dark aged this way.

Write emails to GameSamba. Did you?

edit: If you dont like your own word "witchhunt" anymore:
It's ridiculous to cry that cheater's characters would be discredited by a banlist while discrediting GameSamba in this thread this way.
That's a shizophrenic philosopy and shouldn't be tolerated in here.

You are telling reporting players to write emails and to be glad to receive the answer:"We'll have a look to you're screens/videos. Thanks for sending them." because an answer could be used to make an own banlist and they would see if there's a sanction done to the other player or not.
So i think an automatic suggestion box at GameSamba should be enough too when you send your "I dont like your banlist" emails. Otherwise the answers could be used to be posted at the NGD forum again to go on discrediting GameSamba (business partner of NGD btw). And there's no answer needed because you'll see if the banlist would be deleted or not.
http://www.jokespalace.com/wp-content/uploads/mirror-five.jpg
I think this thread should be deleted..