Multirealmers 4 Realmbalance

[erttzzadfk]

Just a simple idea:
We've got many multirealmers..use them to get a better realmbalance.
Would be very easy to do by blocking the multirealmchars of the most populated realm. And it would be enough to block lvl45+ so lower chars could go on grinding.
Perhaps in case of invasions while counter is running instead of switching to the strongest realm - perhaps all the time.
(Who wants to be able to log on to his "mainrealm" all the time, would be able to do by deleting the multirealmchars at his second realm...).

Realmbalance wouldn't be perfect - but the factor of the multirealmaccounts, that was making it becomes worse would work in the right direction.

procedure 'most_populated_realm'; values: yes/no
if "no" = do nothing
if "yes" = do 'lvl_checkup'

procedure 'lvl_checkup'; values: yes/no
if < lvl45 = do nothing
if =lvl45 or higher = do 'multirealmacc_checkup'

procedure 'multirealmacc_checkup'; values: yes/no
if "no" = do nothing
if "yes" = block character
show message "Realmbalanceblock: You cant log to this realm atm. Please try again later"

Hard to imagine someone could be able to code it...

PS: An own thread now to finally get an answer. Can't be that difficult, NGD. :confused:

[JainFarstrider]

Just a simple idea:
We've got many multirealmers..use them to get a better realmbalance.
Would be very easy to do by blocking the multirealmchars of the most populated realm.
Perhaps in case of invasions while counter is running instead of switching to the strongest realm - perhaps all the time.
(Who wants to be able to log on to his "mainrealm" all the time, would be able to do by deleting the multirealmchars at his second realm...).

Realmbalance wouldn't be perfect - but the factor of the multirealmaccounts, that was making it becomes worse would work in the right direction.

PS: An own thread now to finally get an answer. Can't be that difficult, NGD. :confused:

It sounds like a good plan. Just how will they know which existing and new accounts are for multirealming and which is the 'mainrealm'? If NGD could get that to work, the downhill imbalance could be reduced.

[erttzzadfk]

It sounds like a good plan. Just how will they know which existing and new accounts are for multirealming and which is the 'mainrealm'? If NGD could get that to work, the downhill imbalance could be reduced.
You dont need the information "mainrealm" cause there is a simple database table.
If you've got chars at two realms you've got a multirealmaccount = 2 realms. Nothing else is needed...value 1 or 2.
Believe me, it's really simple to realize.

[Shwish]

And what if this player has spent money on both characters? It would be unethical to take away something that someone has already paid for.

Sure block new accounts from joining a certain realm, but taking away something that is already existing seems a bit wrong to me. Unless I'm misunderstanding your suggestion, in which case ignore what I just said.

[erttzzadfk]

And what if this player has spent money on both characters? It would be unethical to take away something that someone has already paid for.

Sure block new accounts from joining a certain realm, but taking away something that is already existing seems a bit wrong to me. Unless I'm misunderstanding your suggestion, in which case ignore what I just said.

New players can't create Multirealmaccounts... And you don't have to delete yours if you don't won't. You just wouldn't be able to use it all the time.
Think about unethical again pls.

[JainFarstrider]

You dont need the information "mainrealm" cause there is a simple database table.
If you've got chars at two realms you've got a multirealmaccount = 2 realms. Nothing else is needed...value 1 or 2.
Believe me, it's really simple to realize.

Ah, yes, but how does NGD know that you have two accounts in two realms?

If someone wants to play multirealm style, they won't exactly tell NGD that they have two accounts, and if they play one realm they can pretend like it's their only account.

If they play the other realm, they can pretend like it's their only account. My question is how NGD figures this out.

[Shwish]

Ah, yes, but how does NGD know that you have two accounts in two realms?

If someone wants to play multirealm style, they won't exactly tell NGD that they have two accounts, and if they play one realm they can pretend like it's their only account.

If they play the other realm, they can pretend like it's their only account. My question is how NGD figures this out.

I think he is referring to the ten or so players who played a different realm on Horus than what they did on Raven on an account with the same name and as a result of the merge they both exist on the same Haven account.

[Cuchulainn]

Your suggestion is not bad. But you have to consider that there are many multirealmers who have more than 1 account to play this game. So should NGD disadvantage the "honest" multirealmers with only 1 account?

But I think there are more viable ways to get better realm balance. NGD could offer a realm change scroll to the players of the most overpopulated realm. Or a registration lock for new players to the most overpopulated realm would help in the longterm. The registration lock wouldn't be a very responsive solution though.

well NGD could just combine some approaches of above for perfect realm balance:
block the most overpopulated realm to new users cheap realm change scrolls for players of the overpopulated realm allow everyone to have chars in different realms in just one account block highlevel chars of a certain realm to login, if their realm has already more than 40% of the whole server population online.
If NGD did all this, it would be probably a bit too drastic. If there is always perfect realm balance, it could get a bit boring as well. But at least not hopeless and demotivating for players of the underpopated realms like it is curretnly very often.

[andres81]

I think he is referring to the ten or so players who played a different realm on Horus than what they did on Raven on an account with the same name and as a result of the merge they both exist on the same Haven account.

I think that the multirealm accounts are only a problem at the german Valhalla server because this is a merge of previous Muspell and Niflheim servers and it was very common to play one realm on Muspoell and another realm on Niflheim.
I guess that more than 50% of the chars above level 45 are multirealm accounts ( = 1 account with characters in 2 realms) there so great part of a realm can switch at once to another realm.

[Evangeline]

this is a poor minded solution because ever since multirealming is allowed, every1 has accounts in other realms so if you use ip check to know if he is mulirealm or not, everyone wouldnt be able to join the server, if what i understood from your idea is correct it would only affect the larger populated realm - syrtis - probably half of syrtis wouldnt be able to play the game because of this

I think ngd will come up with something more appropriate than disallowing ppl to play a char they work hard on

i would agree with this idea if you changed a few things on your "code" such as :

procedure 'lvl_checkup'; values: yes/no
if < lvl45 = do nothing
if =lvl45 or higher = do 'multirealmacc_checkup'

changing that to

procedure 'lvl_checkup'; values: yes/no
if > lvl45 = do nothing
if <= lvl 45 = do 'multirealmacc_checkup'

[andres81]

Nohan, he is speaking about ONE account with characters in different realms and not about different accounts ;)

[Evangeline]

Nohan, he is speaking about ONE account with characters in different realms and not about different accounts ;)

oh @.@ :bangin: still i think that part of his "code" shud be changed

[kmdk]

procedure 'most_populated_realm'; values: yes/no
if "no" = do nothing
if "yes" = do 'lvl_checkup'

procedure 'lvl_checkup'; values: yes/no
if < lvl45 = do nothing
if =lvl45 or higher = do 'multirealmacc_checkup'

procedure 'multirealmacc_checkup'; values: yes/no
if "no" = do nothing
if "yes" = block character
show message "Realmbalanceblock: You cant log to this realm atm. Please try again later"


Horrible coding ever :jacky_chun:

Multi-realming is just overrated :D
I am not a multirealmer and i will never be one ,alsius forever ,i am frustrated about some build-in featurea of game that imbalance realms ,but never multi realming ,is not one of them :D

[bois]

I really don't know if attacking multi realming is a solution at all.

The assumption is that players move from one realm to another but then, if the problem is chronic under-population, would moving these weak numbers around really fix anything ?

Balance on a half or 1/4 subscribed server is the real problem.

Let us dig around in the roots of this thing. What is the cause of multi realming ? I believe that there are a few reasons. The biggest one is lack of compelling content. The second is that there is no continual up-sweep of personal rewards for remaining loyal to a realm. Lastly, though many may dispute, the XP curve to top level is not really that bad. What makes it look bad is the appalling lack of content from 42-60. Still, many have multiple level 60 characters and still go on to raise others elsewhere.

To avoid rehashing, read my ramblings here : http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1596938&postcount=18

TL;DR : To avoid multirealming and weak server population, you need compelling content and reward for loyalty and longevity to your realm.
Punitive actions never work and only compel populations to fall. A bad thing any way you look at it.

[Darcyeti]

I think he is referring to the ten or so players who played a different realm on Horus than what they did on Raven on an account with the same name and as a result of the merge they both exist on the same Haven account.

I guess he is reffering even more to the much more then 10 players which played different realms in Niflheim and Muspell on one account ;)

[erttzzadfk]

I'm not talking about multiaccs (forbidden).
I'm talking about multirealmaccounts, so i don't need an ip-checkup. ALL your chars are saved to ONE gameaccount in a database.

And remember if you block only 5 players you will do 10 steps to a better realmbalance.
Example:
realm1 (overpopulated) = 20 players
realm2 (underpopulated) = 5 players

block 5 players of realm1 = 10 vs. 10...

PS:
I made chars at horus just 1 day before the fusion to have the possibility of using a multirealmaccount there.
Do you really think i was the only one who had this idea and it's just a nifl/musp- aka valhalla-problem?^^
And it's not an attack to multirealmaccounts - it's just to make them work for the game instead of working against a balanced RVR.
PPS: I'll give every player who understands what i mean 10 Magnas (when it's possible again) and to every developer xims for 1 horse ;)

[Tigerious]

None is talking about the IP check & rules ?

[erttzzadfk]

I'm not sure but i think i cant give you 10 magnas for your post and it seems i dont have to buy a horse too... :confused:
(I know how to edit a post too..)

PPS: I'll give every player who understands what i mean 10 Magnas (when it's possible again) and to every developer xims for 1 horse ;)

Ok, your last chance before i ask for closing this thread myself soon..oups wait a minute..NGD's still here? Not sure^
Here we go:
Just a simple idea:
We've got many multirealmers..use them to get a better realmbalance.
Would be very easy to do by blocking the multirealmchars of the most populated realm. And it would be enough to block lvl45+ so lower chars could go on grinding.
Perhaps in case of invasions while counter is running instead of switching to the strongest realm - perhaps all the time.
(Who wants to be able to log on to his "mainrealm" all the time, would be able to do by deleting the multirealmchars at his second realm...).

Realmbalance wouldn't be perfect - but the factor of the multirealmaccounts, that was making it becomes worse would work in the right direction.

procedure 'most_populated_realm'; values: yes/no
if "no" = do nothing
if "yes" = do 'lvl_checkup'

procedure 'lvl_checkup'; values: yes/no
if < lvl45 = do nothing
if =lvl45 or higher = do 'multirealmacc_checkup'

procedure 'multirealmacc_checkup'; values: yes/no
if "no" = do nothing
if "yes" = block character
show message "Realmbalanceblock: You cant log to this realm atm. Please try again later"
Edit: (Caused by some really smart posts here):
"Dear NGD, you can't use this "'code"' 1:1; it's just a logical sketchup to show how simple to do."

Hard to imagine someone could be able to code it...

PS: An own thread now to finally get an answer. Can't be that difficult, NGD. :confused:

[JainFarstrider]

Nohan, he is speaking about ONE account with characters in different realms and not about different accounts ;)

In that case, the solution may not be as effective as I thought it would be.

[erttzzadfk]

This forum here is a joke too :dumbofme:
Whatever, i'll go on hunting with my conj instead doing healsetup and stay away from this RvR-Bullshit.
Hope i'll meet some of you dumbos alone out there.

Thanks to NGD for posting developer's opinion here...great job. :thumb::hat:

[Shwish]

In that case, the solution may not be as effective as I thought it would be.

As mentioned, it may be somewhat effective on Valhalla. But on Haven it wouldn't change anything. Aside from it being unethical.

[erttzzadfk]

Ok im sorry - i see now i was wrong thinking horus + raven = 1 gameacc.
Thought accs were made like my own.
I created horusacc and ravenacc on one gameacc (simple multirealmacc)
Others had a horusacc and made a multiacc for raven...Thought you didnt want to understand.

Your right, it would work at Valhalla - unfortunately not at Haven.
Without allowed multiaccs it would be still a good solution.

PS: A multirealmacc is an advantage, cause new users can't create a multirealmacc. They would have to create a multiacc to play at two realms so.
So i think the idea of blocking multirealmaccs (perhaps while invasions) is just to late and not unethical. Unethical is to switch to the stronger realm to get an advantage. It's not unethical to reduce a benefit when this makes the whole RvR senseless for other players (realms).

Whatever, NGD doesnt answer simple PNs or gives statements - so this thread isnt needed anymore by all these facts.

Vote 4 close (RvR is dead)

[Quincebo]

Multirealming is made legal after the merge
That was the statement given by GS and NGD

[Shwish]

Multirealming is made legal after the merge
That was the statement given by GS and NGD

I think people are misunderstanding the statement made. What I understood by it was that those accounts containing characters of two different realms as a result of the merge were allowed to multi-realm. This is simply because there was no other way around it until NGD developes some kind of realm-change feature. I have no idea if they intend to do so or not.

Having two separate accounts in different realms and playing for both teams is a different story. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing if it is infact the same person playing those multiple accounts.

[erttzzadfk]

Jap that's the big problem. Now it's too late.
You can't identify which player belongs to which gameacc atm.
There is only the ip and if you don't have a static ip there's no way.
And you're not allowed to save datas of dynamic ips cause it's handled like personal traffic data (in Germany..).
OT: That's why i don't know how NGD still wants to find out who duplicated magnas. This checkup was the given reason why we're still waiting for magna trade again, am i right?

Only way to avoid multiacc would be a deeper identifying process when you register a gameacc..and i dont think this would be done.
That's why i think "RvR is dead"...real RvR (the big Plus of this game) ...not the farce daily shown on the servers now.

[time-to-die]

lol are you kidding me? I got only chars in syrtis. But come on. Those peopel put time in those chars and now you just want to block it? rofl......

[erttzzadfk]

Yes i'm kidding you. Thanks for your post :fingers: