This game only for Money

[VeterKh]

lvl cup 60, wm and now legendary items (i dont have any info about magnas weapons)... in future you gonna do it again.

i let you know NGD what bridge btw non-premium and premium players TOO BIG.

you need to learn from World of Tanks to make this bridge very small.

[71175]

Wut is World of Tanks?

[VeterKh]

you always trying this ... but ... go to bathroom and troLL your self...


for others http://www.goldenjoystick.com/best-mmo/world-of-tanks

[VandaMan]

...what? Bridge? O.o huh?

[Ricksa]

By bridge he means the difference between premium and non premium users.

I basically said the same thing here: Link (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=93307)

[TheMessenger]

Except that non-premium users are able to get premium items pretty easily. I know a lot of players that will buy premium gear and sell for gold. And virtually all premium players trade for magn. I don't see the problem tbh. I don't even know of any players that have been playing for more than 3 months that don't have magical/epic gear for the most part.

[Ricksa]

Except that non-premium users are able to get premium items pretty easily. I know a lot of players that will buy premium gear and sell for gold. And virtually all premium players trade for magn. I don't see the problem tbh. I don't even know of any players that have been playing for more than 3 months that don't have magical/epic gear for the most part.

I know very few that will do this... maybe everyone i know is just stingy. Even in Ignis for me to get shitty common gear i had to spam for weeks on end and i have 0 epics or magicals.

What you say would be true for people who are more connected/friends etc with premium users.

At least in my mind its been like this. Also in Syrtis almost no one would sell for gold like i said in my thread not even mediocre epics that they didnt need.

Hopefully magna trade will change this.

[Rising_Cold]

for others http://www.goldenjoystick.com/best-mmo/world-of-tanks

hmm LoL.. Rift.. that thank game.. tera.. and, i might be seeing things but.., even runescape is choosable

you know this list might make NGD change things just so that there will be a gap
between paying and non paying players xD

...

runescape.. for crying out loud.. that game has 0 community >.<

[Phlue4]

NGD is no benefactorship and because of this they need to earn some money, too.
chill down, get your equip by bargaining and enjoy fort battles. Premium content is luxux and not necessary to have fun ingame.

[Freeverse]

Hi guys
I was on Amun today and took a closer look on the coming changes.

I saw a legendary Ancient Long bow with these bonuses:

Standart Ancient lb damage (+28)
+ 15 ice damage
+ 11 blunt damage
+ 5% class attribute
+ 9 hit chance
+ 21 hit chance

An additional great gem can add:
13-15 damage of any kind

My first impression is: this will bring the imbalance on a new, higher level and make RO more gear dependent and more pay-to-win than ever.

Just compare the bow i gave as an example with a *normal* ancient lb. The difference is gigantic.

A few months ago i wrote on this forum, that i like RO so much because it isn’t a pay to win game. Dupa_z_zasady replied, that it’s just a matter of time. Well, I guess he was right. This time has come now.

[Gabburtjuh]

Hi guys
I was on Amun today and took a closer look on the coming changes.

I saw a legendary Ancient Long bow with these bonuses:

Standart Ancient lb damage (+28)
+ 15 ice damage
+ 11 blunt damage
+ 5% class attribute
+ 9 hit chance
+ 21 hit chance

An additional great gem can add:
13-15 damage of any kind

My first impression is: this will bring the imbalance on a new, higher level and make RO more gear dependent and more pay-to-win than ever.

Just compare the bow i gave as an example with a *normal* ancient lb. The difference is gigantic.

A few months ago i wrote on this forum, that i like RO so much because it isn’t a pay to win game. Dupa_z_zasady replied, that it’s just a matter of time. Well, I guess he was right. This time has come now.

The difference is 300k xim spend between Legendary and non special
The difference is 5% dexterity between Legendary and a epic that has thesame bonus (which already exists)

Where's your problem? Damage difference with now and after update is what, 10 dmg? Yes it increases, but its barely noticeable on weapons, and the amount of xim you have to spend to get decent legendary gear (pretty sure I used like 15 boxes before I had something that was:

1. Legendary
2. Had decent resists
3. Had usefull normal bonus
4. Had usefull legendary bonus

So as far as I can see, only the people that would max out their advantage no matter what the costs are really benefit, it will mostly be the occasional lucky guy/girl that gets something nice from a box/drop.

[Shwish]

This game has a long way to go before it becomes pay to win material. The only problem is that people on this forum are way too damn dramatic.

[pieceofmeat]

This game has a long way to go before it becomes pay to win material. The only problem is that people on this forum are way too damn dramatic.

Yeah, it will always be gank to win.

If anyone like to get 5% movement speed, 10% knock resist and 5% main atrribute or more, please feel free to do so.

You will still be killed in 3 hit by a barb or ganked by a hunter all the same.

$$$

[LittleHomer]

I think it's sad, that there are new lucky boxes :crying1: Regnum is a Pay 2 win, no question ... but these legendary items intense the fact more and more.

...

[Evangeline]

i heard someone saying "leggings with movement speed bonus", wtf is that true?

[Freeverse]

Where's your problem? Damage difference with now and after update is what, 10 dmg?

Well, it's not a problem yet - it's a first impression, time will tell ...

... but let me give you an example.
I'm an average 60 lvl hunter with standard wm set and a decent lb.

Some barbs (yes, barbs) out there are already impossible to kill for me because i do 90-130 dmg normals on them after dismouting (they are unbuffed, you know). And 30-70 when they are buffed.
Now i imagine what will happen, when they get better legendary equipment, with, let's say bigger movement speed or 10% more piercing resist? Will i do 60-80 dmg on them when unbuffed?

[Ulti19]

Hi guys
I was on Amun today and took a closer look on the coming changes.

I saw a legendary Ancient Long bow with these bonuses:

Standart Ancient lb damage (+28)
+ 15 ice damage
+ 11 blunt damage
+ 5% class attribute
+ 9 hit chance
+ 21 hit chance

An additional great gem can add:
13-15 damage of any kind



9 hc = useless
21 hc = useless
5% class attribute = That's pretty new. so for many archers probably 8 ish dex which is not alot of damage.
15ice + 11blunt + 13-15 dmg gem = very little damage more than a bow wo these attributes. You can test these weapons yourself and see the damage ranges only by 50 ish. I've been testing epic, magic, weapons on amun with normal lv 60 gear. The damage difference is tiny.

Epic or legendary gear looks awesome on the stats, but when you actually test them against your normal lv 60 weapons they don't make a big difference.

I feel for you on your hunter only doing that kind of damage to buffed targets though, that's a whole other problem with regards to resists and skills available to certain classes imo.

[Ponter]

i heard someone saying "leggings with movement speed bonus", wtf is that true?

Yes, it is true. Tunics and Leggings can have a Movement Speed bonus only in Legendary items.

Best regards!

[_Enio_]

Yes, it is true. Tunics and Leggings can have a Movement Speed bonus only in Legendary items.

Best regards!


Why would you do this error twice?.. *ignis light armors*
Didn't Ngd want to work on balance? Seems more like work on imbalance potential!

/facepalm ..

[TheMessenger]

Yes, it is true. Tunics and Leggings can have a Movement Speed bonus only in Legendary items.

Best regards!


In regards to the +resist dizzy/immobilize
Is it gonna work like Mind Blank where it shows as success, but it was actually resisted, or does it give you more chance to resist those spells?

[Madrio Avertion]

I think after this Update you can close the German Server...

Bye Bye Regnum Online...

[LucianDeathshield]

+10 more damage on weapons which will hardly make a difference in RVR which the game is focused on? OH SHIT TIME TO QUIT GUYS

[gluffs]

Yes, it is true. Tunics and Leggings can have a Movement Speed bonus only in Legendary items.

Best regards!

Well there is your problem, i dont mind the introduction off legendary items but
having specific bonuses exlusive to them seems a bit wrong. And pls dont tell me
that everyone has a chance to drop them off monsters since we all know the
chance off droping a legendary item will be ludacris small.

[Ulti19]

Another thing is, you will have to have some serious luck to get a good legendary item. Half the time from a box it's just magic or epic and sometimes yes legendary, but the stats more than often suck like resist slash 1% resist blunt2% movement plus 2% empty armor enhance. etc.

You would have to spend like probably hundreds of dollars to get a nice set. So the chances that premium vs none premium players will be huge is miniscule, since I doubt everyone is going to spend so much and be lucky with boxes. Sure a few might get really lucky and have some great armor and weapons but in rvr they will still die from 2 barbs criticalling them with fulmi in seconds:p

[Evangeline]

Another thing is, you will have to have some serious luck to get a good legendary item. Half the time from a box it's just magic or epic and sometimes yes legendary, but the stats more than often suck like resist slash 1% resist blunt2% movement plus 2% empty armor enhance. etc.

You would have to spend like probably hundreds of dollars to get a nice set. So the chances that premium vs none premium players will be huge is miniscule, since I doubt everyone is going to spend so much and be lucky with boxes. Sure a few might get really lucky and have some great armor and weapons but in rvr they will still die from 2 barbs criticalling them with fulmi in seconds:p

i disagree there are many ximboys who buy over 100 euros a month worth of lucky boxes just to get gear

[esp_tupac]

I think he meant that in the future we would need to pay a xim fare to cross pb/pb2 or pn/pn2 lol "safe passage" fee i call it. XD

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Back on to topic -
If you think this game is getting worse why continue playing?just go back to your world of tanks? Idk but imo I see everyone complaining about something (including me) but in the end most of us continue playing and some even continue buying Xims whilst saying 'Oh I hate NGD, they only care for money' well you are the ones providing them with the money yet you complain, I really don't understand much of this but what the hell... this is Ro community =D
(like I said this includes me, so don't start throwing a b**** fit <3)

[The_Krome_Dragon]

Tbh compared to other games ive played, this game is in no way a pay to win game. ive been to the wz gear less and was still able to kill ppl my lvl, did this in arena too. In other games,unless u have top notch gear, u might aswell delete ur account bec u in no way will be able to beat other players. in Rune of Magic for example, a lvl 20 player could kill a lvl 40 just bec of his gear. RO is Still a ways off from PaytoWin.

Tho i will say that i do think that spd bonus on gear is a bad idea. rvr it wont show much but everywhere else it will, at least in rnged v mele.

[trulyem]

Yep, just quit! Bye!

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/untitlegi.png/

[AariEv]

Some of you need to play a pay-to-win game like Shaiya and then you'll appreciate this one much more.

[Groark]

Compared to other games I play, RO is way to expensive if you want to get nice good gear. Those other games I play are also free or for a small montly fee ($9). And everybody can have top gear so you do not depend on your gear to win a fight but on your skills.

I think it's stupid that you lose from other (on PvP or RvR situations) because the other is OP and you are not. I know this guy from whom everybody used to win because he sucked. All of the sudden he started to kill everybody, lol. I asked him about that and he showed me his brand new OP gear. Plat boxes he told me. Hundred of bucks he spent. He still sucks but if he hits you, you are dead meat. lol.

I like this game but I dont want and cant afford to spend idiotic amounts of money to have some gear that in the near future can be useless due to a next level cap.

So I play less and less and less...

[VeterKh]

Back on to topic -
If you think this game is getting worse why continue playing?just go back to your world of tanks? Idk but imo I see everyone complaining about something (including me) but in the end most of us continue playing and some even continue buying Xims whilst saying 'Oh I hate NGD, they only care for money' well you are the ones providing them with the money yet you complain, I really don't understand much of this but what the hell... this is Ro community =D
(like I said this includes me, so don't start throwing a b**** fit <3)

hey... where i said what i'm WOT player? and i dont playing RO maybe 4 month... but i like RO ... and i looking

[VeterKh]

Compared to other games I play, RO is way to expensive if you want to get nice good gear. Those other games I play are also free or for a small montly fee ($9). And everybody can have top gear so you do not depend on your gear to win a fight but on your skills.

I think it's stupid that you lose from other (on PvP or RvR situations) because the other is OP and you are not. I know this guy from whom everybody used to win because he sucked. All of the sudden he started to kill everybody, lol. I asked him about that and he showed me his brand new OP gear. Plat boxes he told me. Hundred of bucks he spent. He still sucks but if he hits you, you are dead meat. lol.

I like this game but I dont want and cant afford to spend idiotic amounts of money to have some gear that in the near future can be useless due to a next level cap.

So I play less and less and less...

+1 (1000000000000+ chars)

[Kitsuni]

Please don't compare Regnum Online to other games when determining whether the game is Pay 2 Win or not. Those other games have huge amounts of content and many things to do, Regnum doesn't. It is a tiny and boring game in comparison. Other games are worth getting good items for.

Let me ask you, what do you do when there is no war? Sit at save I bet. Or Hunt/Gank. Or maybe grind? What's that, you want to conduct a 60 man raid on an epic boss for epic lootz? In this game you stand around for two hours to kill a boss that only benefits a few classes and drops level 50 gear.

Everything is like that here.

The problem with Regnum has nothing to do with item power, but rather item power vs income to NGD vs investment of that income.

[GreenAngel]

I dont think this game has become pay to win because of this, but look at Hunters now, they are already UP on some fronts (sure they can be strong, but let us focus on the bigger picture 75% of the time they are the underdogs). Now with the new 5-10% bonus on speed, the passive mobility speed is almost useless now if the hunter has no moibility leggs...

[Freeverse]

Some of you need to play a pay-to-win game like Shaiya and then you'll appreciate this one much more.

You're completely right. I have been playing Shaiya for a long time during the early years when it wasn't a pay to win game.

Do you remember when the imbalnce problems in Shaiya began? After they introduced Goddess Items available throu the Item Mall.
Do you see the analogy? :)

in Rune of Magic for example, a lvl 20 player could kill a lvl 40 just bec of his gear. RO is Still a ways off from PaytoWin.

Hm, i'm doing 350-500 normals on cold blood. I know hunters who do 600-700 normals on cold blood. Don't tell me, it's not because of their equpiment.

Better gear always gives an advantage. The bigger the advantage the bigger the imbalance between individual players.

[Seher]

Some of you need to play a pay-to-win game like Shaiya and then you'll appreciate this one much more.

You know, some of us started this game when it had some kind of competitive character. Everyone was the same, and balance was better as well. There was skill involved, and not much else.

You know, LoL isn’t that popular because you can buy your win in it. It’s the opposite.

[Cuchulainn]

[...]Now with the new 5-10% bonus on speed[...]

according to ponter the speed bonus can only be on tunics and leggings. And in the pictures I saw such a bonus, it was only 2%.


...a small montly fee ($9)[...]
I hardly buy Ximerin. Maybe 10 EUR in a half year, and still have often fun in the game. I think many occasional players would just leave the game, if there was a several dollar / per month fee. I don't think $9/month is a small fee.

[Quincebo]

Luckily they didnt found out that most games have boots as armor too :D

[Mashu]

Compared to other games I play, RO is way to expensive if you want to get nice good gear. Those other games I play are also free or for a small montly fee ($9). And everybody can have top gear so you do not depend on your gear to win a fight but on your skills.

I think it's stupid that you lose from other (on PvP or RvR situations) because the other is OP and you are not. I know this guy from whom everybody used to win because he sucked. All of the sudden he started to kill everybody, lol. I asked him about that and he showed me his brand new OP gear. Plat boxes he told me. Hundred of bucks he spent. He still sucks but if he hits you, you are dead meat. lol.

I like this game but I dont want and cant afford to spend idiotic amounts of money to have some gear that in the near future can be useless due to a next level cap.

So I play less and less and less...

+1..

Same goes to boss drops, who can be dropped only by knights now.
The awkward logic is that players will level up another knight... creating income I guess. But that spoil fun for other people.

I also know players that sucked, and now they hit hard, one of them posted picture of 10 legendary items from Amun. I dont even think Amun was restarted that many times.

[Gabburtjuh]

+1..

Same goes to boss drops, who can be dropped only by knights now.
The awkward logic is that players will level up another knight... creating income I guess. But that spoil fun for other people.

I also know players that sucked, and now they hit hard, one of them posted picture of 10 legendary items from Amun. I dont even think Amun was restarted that many times.

Your xim in amun resets right after you buy anything...

[LucianDeathshield]

+1..

Same goes to boss drops, who can be dropped only by knights now.
The awkward logic is that players will level up another knight... creating income I guess. But that spoil fun for other people.

I also know players that sucked, and now they hit hard, one of them posted picture of 10 legendary items from Amun. I dont even think Amun was restarted that many times.


Maybe I have this wrong but ximerin doesn't reset on a server restart on amun, everytime you buy something on Amun your ximerin gets refunded

[cokyy]

I dont think this game has become pay to win because of this, but look at Hunters now, they are already UP on some fronts (sure they can be strong, but let us focus on the bigger picture 75% of the time they are the underdogs). Now with the new 5-10% bonus on speed, the passive mobility speed is almost useless now if the hunter has no moibility leggs...

5 to 10 %? Where do people come up with this.

The max will prolly be 5% Why would you make up that there are 10% leggs?

[Monthser]

...

Hm, i'm doing 350-500 normals on cold blood. I know hunters who do 600-700 normals on cold blood. Don't tell me, it's not because of their equpiment.

Better gear always gives an advantage. The bigger the advantage the bigger the imbalance between individual players.

+1 Sadly this is true. Something must be done about that before it's too late.

[Mashu]

5 to 10 %? Where do people come up with this.

The max will prolly be 5% Why would you make up that there are 10% leggs?

Because he is a troll everywhere, making things up out of the blue

[GreenAngel]

5 to 10 %? Where do people come up with this.

The max will prolly be 5% Why would you make up that there are 10% leggs?

I don't know, but since you dont know if the max. speed will be 5% you're not doing much better then I do. Could be 15% as well for that matter, we just don't know.

[VeterKh]

wtf are you talking about... i wanna save this game ...

[cokyy]

I don't know, but since you dont know if the max. speed will be 5% you're not doing much better then I do. Could be 15% as well for that matter, we just don't know.

Hmm not sure, Ponter just stated that on Amun.. Meh, what is he? It's not like he's a game developer right?

Totally agree with you man, excuse me for being such an ignorant prick for making up totally random numbers and then complain about them!

[pieceofmeat]

I got +6% movement tunic, but most were 2-4%.

Who knows what the max values is, maybe 6 or 7 possibly higher, i doubt it much higher anyway. What it will be in final version is different story.

[cokyy]

Screenshot please

[GreenAngel]

Screenshot please

His ego feels damaged now his statement isn't correct :*)

[Raely]

I guess it's 5% on leggins and 7% on tunics.

[pieceofmeat]

It feel like they cut back heavily on the amount of legendary items you get as well, the feeling is that it more like 1/10 now.

[GreenAngel]

It should be that way imo, legendary shouldn't be something that is too common. Can you drop them as well? Or just box them?

[71175]

Hm, i'm doing 350-500 normals on cold blood. I know hunters who do 600-700 normals on cold blood. Don't tell me, it's not because of their equpiment.

Better gear always gives an advantage. The bigger the advantage the bigger the imbalance between individual players.

It is only partially cuz of gear, Trust me, dragon amulet + some special bow, which u can get without paying a single buck for game gives more advantage in damage than maxed on damage bow.

[Evangeline]

ngd has all the right to get money with premium stuff they make, if you don't want it don't buy it, but yes sometimes it goes too far @.@ i mean why should a xim user get more movement speed than a non xim user? ofc we can "buy" legendary items from other ppl that buy them with xim, but we basicly get the scraps, and most of the times they want crazy stuff that ppl dont have, it's almost impossible to get it unless you got something to trade for it.

But seriously, a xim user getting more movement speed than a non-xim user? @.@ that was a punch in the stomach when i heard about it, i felt it...

[Evangeline]

Please don't compare Regnum Online to other games when determining whether the game is Pay 2 Win or not. Those other games have huge amounts of content and many things to do, Regnum doesn't. It is a tiny and boring game in comparison. Other games are worth getting good items for.

Let me ask you, what do you do when there is no war? Sit at save I bet. Or Hunt/Gank. Or maybe grind? What's that, you want to conduct a 60 man raid on an epic boss for epic lootz? In this game you stand around for two hours to kill a boss that only benefits a few classes and drops level 50 gear.

Everything is like that here.

The problem with Regnum has nothing to do with item power, but rather item power vs income to NGD vs investment of that income.

i think regnum is "tiny and boring" because it's a game for all platforms, there are probably limits to what ngd can do for it. I dont know about anyone else but for me its mostly a social game, when im not at war im just hanging out talking with some people or grinding

[pieceofmeat]

But seriously, a xim user getting more movement speed than a non-xim user? @.@ that was a punch in the stomach when i heard about it, i felt it...

Yes, i agree. It starting to getting out of hand, but at least it wasnt an other DPS increase which would be worse.

It seem to be very rare, and likely that you have to sacrifice good stats on your current set, unless you are extremely lucky.

[JzJ75]

i think regnum is "tiny and boring" because it's a game for all platforms, there are probably limits to what ngd can do for it. I dont know about anyone else but for me its mostly a social game, when im not at war im just hanging out talking with some people or grinding

I disagree, Regnum is not "tiny and boring" because it's a game for all platforms. It can be boring, but that is relative to the player. As far as "tiny" I agree it is a bit small, but unlike many other mmo`s, this is a community driven game where there is a battle over common lands, and it also does not have a millions players on one server. So small is good. Do you really want to run an hour to get to the next fort??? :rolleyes2: None of this has anything to do with being a multi-platform game. The limitations that Regnum might have is only limited to hardware, in which case the lowest common denominator must be taken into account. (PS: Thanks NGD for supporting Linux )

Back to this thread:
Pay to win??? I don't think so. Most of the bonuses I have seen, does not increase the stats enough to make one person OP, the OP comes from the class and skill of the player. I do agree that introducing special gear could be slippery slope into a pay-to-win system, but at the moment we are on pretty level ground. I would like to see an injection of some of these item into the free market (via other players or boss drops :wink: ). This would help relieve the worries of pay-to-win. I also think the auction house will have a big impact on the gear that is available to the people. If you don't want to spend real money on gear, just collect gold and prowl the auction house, I'm sure you will be able to find some good gear eventually (just like opening a lucky box).