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Cranddor
11-01-2012, 08:04 AM
Hi, I wonder if someone can tell me what kind of weapons are the best for a barbarian lvl 60 (still very far away from being wm, lol). 2h weapon (wat kind?) or 1 offhand + 1 h. weapon (what kind those 2?).

I have seen some barbarians like Donato and Tigerius among others, making fast and high damage with their dual weapons. I would really appreciate if someone could tell me what weapons and what stats I should have to be as efficient as they are. Eventually I would like to know if their armour + jewelery helps a lot to make that high and fast damage they make.

Thx in advance!

Shwish
11-01-2012, 08:48 AM
I don't play barbarian or warrior for that matter but I can say that Mind Squash hurts like hell in most situations and it has a short cooldown. So I would say blunt, but that's just my opinion.

Also those barbs have OP gear with rings and amulets so they can afford to lose a little damage for he sake of utility.

Hopeakettu
11-01-2012, 09:04 AM
I agree with Shwish. But of course it all depends on what you seek, if you have a personal preference (for instance I like swords or axes on my knight and 2h version of them on barb) or just want to get most of it, no matter what weapon.

Dual wield has a big advantage if you have a good combo of weapons - basically: two weapons = two times a bonus (AS, dmg, whatever). Hammer (1h/2h) is a very popular weapon (not only for barbs).

Cuchulainn
11-01-2012, 09:43 AM
I'm thinking on low armored targets it makes sense to use dual wielding weapons. Against highlevel knights it might be more effecient to use a very slow 2h weapon, except if they have offensive stance on.

Tamui
11-01-2012, 10:06 AM
If you want an annoying bastard go with hammers/mace.
My Barbarian is only 41, last time I used him he had dual-wield(Spear and Sword I think).
Dual-wield normally gives you more speed, while 2-handed solely for high hits.


Meh still there are some barbs who have both at dual-wield :dumbofme:
So then it's a matter of gear, so I agree with the above people :p

Cranddor
11-01-2012, 10:14 AM
What stats give those rings and amulets you talk about?

Also, can anyone tell me what damage stats must have those dual weapons to make fast and high damage?

This is my gear

2 rings of lightning
medal of courage
2-h axe 360-430 slash. (+20) slow, c.s. +3%
Helm 192 (+3) +5% armour bonus
Pauldron 192(+4) c.s. +3%
Breastplate 226 (+4)
Gauntlet 200 (+1) resists electr. damage +2%
Leggings 192 (+8) mana +125

All advices are welcome :)

71175
11-01-2012, 11:25 AM
Elemental damage+AS bonus on each weapon=OP barbarian OP.
And as jewelry, RoLs ofc.
EDIT: Hm, u got stuff to work on with your gear :3

Tigerious
11-01-2012, 11:43 AM
Well,

As the weapons trees are poor and with the actual game play, we can resume like this :

- Blunt : MindSquasher & Strength
- Piercing : Balestera and Range
- Slashing : SouthCross & Disable limb

The weapon selection is up to you and the items you got. Usually people go for the weapon tree they have with the biggest damages weapon they have.

The weapon tree selection can also be related to your game style : if you want to Hunt, PvP or RvR.

It also depends on the skills you want to use, as example Beast Attack is more efficient with a big damages weapon than some medium weapon with lower damages but faster attack speed.

If you are planning to use passive resistance, this could be one more thing to take in count while choosing weapon.

Now comes the question Dual Wielding VS Two Handed weapon :
- Dual Wielding is good compromise between PvP and RvR
- Two Handed is better for RvR.

I hope this helps.

PS:
The attack speed I got is a normal one.

Cranddor
11-01-2012, 11:59 AM
Well,

As the weapons trees are poor and with the actual game play, we can resume like this :

- Blunt : MindSquasher & Strength
- Piercing : Balestera and Range
- Slashing : SouthCross & Disable limb

The weapon selection is up to you and the items you got. Usually people go for the weapon tree they have with the biggest damages weapon they have.

The weapon tree selection can also be related to your game style : if you want to Hunt, PvP or RvR.

It also depends on the skills you want to use, as example Beast Attack is more efficient with a big damages weapon than some medium weapon with lower damages but faster attack speed.

If you are planning to use passive resistance, this could be one more thing to take in count while choosing weapon.

Now comes the question Dual Wielding VS Two Handed weapon :
- Dual Wielding is good compromise between PvP and RvR
- Two Handed is better for RvR.

I hope this helps.

PS:
The attack speed I got is a normal one.

Thx for your answer Tigerious! I see that you use normally dual wielding. What kind of weapons do you recommend me for that dual wielding? (if i remember well you wield 2 different weapons with dual wielding) And if it's not much to ask what stats must they have to inflict high damage at high speed. I don't have any experience with dual wielding you see.

Cranddor
11-01-2012, 12:41 PM
... Hm, u got stuff to work on with your gear :3

you mean that my gear is very bad, right?

Tigerious
11-01-2012, 12:47 PM
I'm using this since I just can't handle any barbarian with a very slow hammer and without any attack speed leggings in PvP scale. Very slow weapon also don't do so much more damages so it's better to get faster attack speed.

All offensive hand weapon are medium attack speed. So only the main hand weapon makes the difference, it can be only "slow" or "medium" and maybe "fast" on low level weapons.

I didn't made tests in arena with other players but we are used to say that medium offensive hand weapon + medium main hand weapon does a medium attack speed and medium offensive hand weapon + slow main hand weapon makes something like an attack speed between medium & slow (I think it's more close to "slow" attack speed than medium one).

In the few PvPs I made even with draconic gem, I have to say that attack speed > normal gear/armor gear. Attack speed is really important factor since the patch of War Master and the implementation of offensive hand weapons that can be engraved with attack speed gems.

A good realm barbarian friend have offensive hand sword with 2 x 7% attack speed and leggings +5% attack speed, he's really hard to handle. His amount of attack speed is obtained like this : 2x7% from off hand sword + 2x5% from lighting rings + 1x5% from leggings + 15% from Thirst from blood, I let you do the sum.

Wield_II
11-02-2012, 06:42 AM
I can post a picture of my weapons if you are interested. Im on phone right now. Ive been using mainly rapier since dual wield came out

Cranddor
11-02-2012, 08:22 AM
I can post a picture of my weapons if you are interested. Im on phone right now. Ive been using mainly rapier since dual wield came out

I would appreciate that, Donatoo. It can help me to choose the right gear. If I can find it ofc.

Cranddor
11-02-2012, 12:19 PM
I'm using this since I just can't handle any barbarian with a very slow hammer and without any attack speed leggings in PvP scale. Very slow weapon also don't do so much more damages so it's better to get faster attack speed.

All offensive hand weapon are medium attack speed. So only the main hand weapon makes the difference, it can be only "slow" or "medium" and maybe "fast" on low level weapons.

I didn't made tests in arena with other players but we are used to say that medium offensive hand weapon + medium main hand weapon does a medium attack speed and medium offensive hand weapon + slow main hand weapon makes something like an attack speed between medium & slow (I think it's more close to "slow" attack speed than medium one).

In the few PvPs I made even with draconic gem, I have to say that attack speed > normal gear/armor gear. Attack speed is really important factor since the patch of War Master and the implementation of offensive hand weapons that can be engraved with attack speed gems.

A good realm barbarian friend have offensive hand sword with 2 x 7% attack speed and leggings +5% attack speed, he's really hard to handle. His amount of attack speed is obtained like this : 2x7% from off hand sword + 2x5% from lighting rings + 1x5% from leggings + 15% from Thirst from blood, I let you do the sum.

Thanks for the info Tigerious! The rings is the only thing I have with a.s. but that's it. I have been looking at the AH but I have seen nothing even close to that. Those items with such a top a.s. must be real difficult to find. I suppose that they come from (a lot of) platina boxes. I am afraid I can't afford that.... :(

gluffs
11-03-2012, 07:14 PM
Thanks for the info Tigerious! The rings is the only thing I have with a.s. but that's it. I have been looking at the AH but I have seen nothing even close to that. Those items with such a top a.s. must be real difficult to find. I suppose that they come from (a lot of) platina boxes. I am afraid I can't afford that.... :(

If you want to dual wield i would suggest you spent some WMC on the 1h
wm knight weapons, they are on par with good magic elite knight weapons
in terms off dmg and is a good alternative. Use the few funds you have to
get a really good off hand weapon.

Cranddor
11-03-2012, 10:37 PM
If you want to dual wield i would suggest you spent some WMC on the 1h
wm knight weapons, they are on par with good magic elite knight weapons
in terms off dmg and is a good alternative. Use the few funds you have to
get a really good off hand weapon.

But gluffs, I am a barb not a knight. Strange is that they dont have 1h weapons for barbs. Or am I missing something?

Hopeakettu
11-03-2012, 11:32 PM
But gluffs, I am a barb not a knight. Strange is that they dont have 1h weapons for barbs. Or am I missing something?

As a barb you can use all 1h weapons that are marked as warrior weapons. And there are no 1h barb weapons.

EDIT: You might find this useful: http://regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=1556640&postcount=1

gluffs
11-04-2012, 01:45 AM
But gluffs, I am a barb not a knight. Strange is that they dont have 1h weapons for barbs. Or am I missing something?

Like Hopeakettu said, all 1h weapons that has requirements "warrior" can
be used by both Knights and Barbarians, the Master Knight weapons can be
a bit missleading for players but they have the requirement for warrior.

So you can get any Warmaster 1h weapon and use it as a barbarian, and it
is the only lvl60 1h hammer available for Barbarians since the Elite Knight
Hammer/Mace is knight only.

Cranddor
11-04-2012, 08:56 AM
Like Hopeakettu said, all 1h weapons that has requirements "warrior" can
be used by both Knights and Barbarians, the Master Knight weapons can be
a bit missleading for players but they have the requirement for warrior.

So you can get any Warmaster 1h weapon and use it as a barbarian, and it
is the only lvl60 1h hammer available for Barbarians since the Elite Knight
Hammer/Mace is knight only.

Ah thanks gluffs! I see it now. Very weird that a Master KNIGHT sword can be used by a Barbarian. They should change it by WARRIOR. Also it would be better to put the specification 1h or 2h right before the name of the weapon. Just to avoid misunderstandings :lighten:

Cranddor
11-04-2012, 09:14 AM
[QUOTE=gluffs;1662473]...So you can get any Warmaster 1h weapon and use it as a barbarian, and it is the only lvl60 1h hammer available for Barbarians since the Elite Knight Hammer/Mace is knight only.[QUOTE]

Reading it back I dont know if I understand correctly what you say.
I am standing by the merchant and all the weapons with the KNIGHT name on it are for Warriors. Does it mean that a Barbarian can use all of them as well??

Tamui
11-04-2012, 09:19 AM
Reading it back I dont know if I understand correctly what you say.
I am standing by the merchant and all the weapons with the KNIGHT name on it are for Warriors. Does it mean that a Barbarian can use all of them as well??

Yes, see the link gluffs indicated you, after the Dual Wield implementation some things were changed, however their title is outdated.

Cranddor
11-04-2012, 10:30 AM
Yes, see the link gluffs indicated you, after the Dual Wield implementation some things were changed, however their title is outdated.

Thanks. I saw the link but as it does not completely match with the actual description it makes things rather confusing. I hope NGD makes some changes to make it more clear for us.

Anyway I suppose most Barbs might get the 1h elite "knight" sword or the 1h elite "knight" axe because of the medium attack speed. What I dont yet know is what kind of offhand weapon shall I buy (if I can find it ofc).

Tigerious
11-04-2012, 06:54 PM
Yes.

Both knight and Barbarian subclass come from the same main class : warrior.

So there is 3 weapon type actually :
- Knight weapon
- Barbarian weapon
- Warrior weapon

The picture shown in some link above is the most comprehensive.

> http://i.imgur.com/eRRFa.png

Kimahri_Ronso
11-04-2012, 07:33 PM
Yes.

Both knight and Barbarian subclass come from the same main class : warrior.

So there is 3 weapon type actually :
- Knight weapon
- Barbarian weapon
- Warrior weapon

The picture shown in some link above is the most comprehensive.

> http://i.imgur.com/eRRFa.png

Actually there are only two types of weapons, because the type "warrior"can be used by both barbs and knights.
Tho I get where you wanna get out :).
The type "warrior" should be fuse-able with both knights and barb gears in my opinion.
Same should be applied to the "Mage" and "Archer" stuffs as well.