Bannable?

[Krungle]

There has been some discussion in Realm Chat about what behavior is acceptable during invasions/ fort wars. I can guess the answers but it would be nice to have something to point to.

1) Syrtis has a blue relic already then takes Imp, accessing a blue relic and two red ones. What is allowable to be done with the 'extra' relics; what is not? Can you take into Thorky's pit? Jump off a cliff into deep water with it? Return it to Ignis? Take it to an inaccessible cliff ledge?

2) Ignis invades Syrtis. Goats join Gelfs to stop Ignis at the gate, killing only Reds and not each other.

3) As with #2 above but Ignis broke through in spite of the G-Force. Goats are able to sneak inside in force and intercept one of the gems Ignis has procured before they can exit. Goat then returns the gem to the Gelfs who then reset it. b) take gem to an inaccessible place similar to a spot stated in #1 above.

4) Basically as #3 above but with a Relic, instead, possibly even involving a multi-realmer.

5) As #3 above but instead of a Goat doing it, an Ignis Multi-realmer does.

6) As #3b above but a Gelf does it.

7) A group stays inside an enemy's inner realm until some time after the invasion is seemingly over then snags a gem and sneaks out with it.

Please add any other bannable offenses so that people have no doubt what can and cannot be done during RvR. There seems to be some confusion about this subject, confusion often perpetrated by those who have crossed the line in the past.

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Nothing wrong with number 7.

Also, if there was a level needed to hold a relic the rest of the problems would be solved. So for example, only allow level 60 players who have been online for (x) hours to carry the relic.

[Tamui]

Many, many rules have became unknown and some people got banned over stupid things(such as attacking a save).

Anyway, what you can do with thextra relics is either give them to the other realm or don't get them.(With the current system so far).

Why would it be a ban if the third realmjoins the war? Ever been in a 3 way fight?

Multirealmers. I guess it's an old issue. Multirealmers aren't bad. People who abuse their position are bad. Some of them include multirealmers. There has been cases where a multirealmer would take a relic/gem and suicide to the other realm or stall them. Has there been bans against these? Not that I know of. Should there be? I do think so.

[GrimNightfall]

None of this is will make anyone get the ban hammer afaik.
7) A group stays inside an enemy's inner realm until some time after the invasion is seemingly over then snags a gem and sneaks out with it.

If you mean the gate is safe, this isn't possible. If you mean the gate is still capturable, why would it be against the rules?

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[erttzzadfk]

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[Kitsuni]

None of this is will make anyone get the ban hammer afaik.
If you mean the gate is safe, this isn't possible. If you mean the gate is still capturable, why would it be against the rules?
Gates are capturable at all times, they are never safe. You just can't normally get in from the outside without relics.

But you can always get into the gate from the inside. Its about the equivalent of a level 1 fort door, has no guards, and ignores relic state.

On-topic: No "offenses" like these are bannable. Even the GameSamba ones (like save camping) were rediculous.

[GrimNightfall]

Gates are capturable at all times, they are never safe. You just can't normally get in from the outside without relics.

But you can always get into the gate from the inside. Its about the equivalent of a level 1 fort door, has no guards, and ignores relic state.

On-topic: No "offenses" like these are bannable. Even the GameSamba ones (like save camping) were rediculous.
Oh I barely played during the invading dragons update, so I didn't know.

[Awrath]

Gates are capturable at all times, they are never safe. You just can't normally get in from the outside without relics.

But you can always get into the gate from the inside. Its about the equivalent of a level 1 fort door, has no guards, and ignores relic state.

On-topic: No "offenses" like these are bannable. Even the GameSamba ones (like save camping) were rediculous.

Do you not get teleported out of the realm when you get close the wall? I thought this was a feature added a while back :o. Assuming of course you go close to the wall when the invasoin is over. I'm fairly certain it's happened to me once, I will try again when I get the opportunity.

There are no clear rules, sadly. Would be nice if NGD and GS sat together and updated and shared ideas with each other as to what their rules are. Then share the final result with us! Just take a look and see what people commonly report, what people get banned for etc... and make some rules in writing out of this!

[time-to-die]

2) Ignis invades Syrtis. Goats join Gelfs to stop Ignis at the gate, killing only Reds and not each other.


LOL!?!?!?!?!? hahahahaha omfg OH MY GOSH!! nvm...

[Ankh-Legacy]

Ok I still don't understand all the new invasion stuff yet but I'm sure you still cant take a gem after realm is safe. As to people still being inside, man it takes forever to clean out the leftover pests. A few years ago an Ignis was found inside Syrtis over a day after an invasion.

[Kitsuni]

Do you not get teleported out of the realm when you get close the wall? I thought this was a feature added a while back :o. Assuming of course you go close to the wall when the invasoin is over. I'm fairly certain it's happened to me once, I will try again when I get the opportunity.

There are no clear rules, sadly. Would be nice if NGD and GS sat together and updated and shared ideas with each other as to what their rules are. Then share the final result with us! Just take a look and see what people commonly report, what people get banned for etc... and make some rules in writing out of this!
This almost never works now. Both Alsius and Ignis (when Colssus was playing) have got the gems out several times by waiting until after invasion. This can be done either by stalkering a sizeable group that can break the inner door and cap the gate, or hiding a Hunter in the gate to recap it at a later time.

Gem isn't even supposed to be pickable while safe, but that doesn't work either. I guess all of this was removed when relics system was added...

As far as I can tell, "realm safety" no longer exists. The outer door simply regenerates too fast without dragon, that is all.

I don't know how much of this is intentional, or bugs. For example, sometimes when we go to invade a realm, their *own gems* are often in their *portal*, not at the pedestals where they are supposed to be after a reset. We still haven't quite figured out why this happens.

NGD really needs a bettter Quality Assurance team...

[Awrath]

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Oh well, that's a shame, I sure hope it's not intentional.

[Aries202]

Gem carriers get teleported out if they're near the front door of a gate while safe. You can hit door while realm is safe but from the inside.

In order to pick up gems while a realm is safe you have to have the gate captured.

Anywhere else but the inside door will teleport you.

[Krungle]

All of the scenarios listed I have seen happen, or something very close (some names were changed to protect the guilty).

Anywho, an answer from a GM or Dev would be nice. It sure would save a ton of reports to sift through.

[Imago-Thunderfist]

All of the scenarios listed I have seen happen, or something very close (some names were changed to protect the guilty).

Anywho, an answer from a GM or Dev would be nice. It sure would save a ton of reports to sift through.

You forget that most of them are not considered offenses by most of the people... temporary alliances happen all the time.

I was at Ignis Orc Camp once, saw an ignean being ganked by syrtians, helped the ignean and let him grind after the syrtians were dead. Yes, ban me harder! I just confessed a major crime! >.<

[_Kharbon_]

The problem is, that there are no explicitly written rules from NGD. I know, Gamesamba has such rules, but they are generally not known to NGD users. Then the problems arise.

It would be great, if we had clarification from NGD what is allowed/is not. Even the senior players often don't know what's still allowed and what is an exploit. Since there are many bugs and features that can be abused/misused, it is crucial that players know what's legal and what not.

[SirHiss]

just a normal krungle post. makes no sense at all, most if not all the scenarios are not banneble

[Ulti19]

If these were bannable offenses I would leave RO

[HelpMeHelpYou]

If these were bannable offenses I would leave RO

If you leave Ro ill take ur wife.....































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[Krungle]

just a normal krungle post. makes no sense at all, most if not all the scenarios are not banneble

I know most are not bannable, but they argued in Realm chat whether or not they are. That was the point. End the arguments by having something to point to.

The other day, the last green relic was pulled by some healer that will remain nameless and taken to green central save. It was retrieved from there. The GM on duty said send screen shots and a report to get him banned. This player even admitted he did it because he is a multi-realmer and first and foremost a Gelf.

So, apparently this is a bannable offense. My only question is: why was he not banned instantly? Why the need to report it when a GM was on at the time and could see it?

We need written rules to point to, not just for the exploiters and exploited but also for those that are just trying to play the game and have fun.

[Krungle]

Ok, i take it back, apparently Healerous taking the Relic to the enemy Central save is not bannable, even though he admitted in Realm Chat while a GM (Enlighty?) was on and talking in realm chat that he (Healerous) did it to support his realm (Syrtis) and to mess with Goats. If this is not worthy of an instant permaban, what is? Healerous put up a banner just a few minutes ago so he is obviously not banned. This exploitation with multirealming must stop or the game is not a game but a giant exploit.

[ieti]

Healerious and Syrtis?!? He is one of oldest(good conju) goat players and i really doubt he switched realms. If he done it - well something in your realm is really messed up lately. I suppose he done it out of boredom or of annoyment seing how things go on.

Still i think this is not bannable in any way. He is player, he can get relic and carry it. Against rules is to put gems and relics in places where they can not be retrieved. Enemy save is place where you can get without problem.

Putting more rules and restrictions makes game less fun and more more boring....

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Healerous is one of the last members of Tyr's Zorn. Epic war clan which left the game. I really do not believe he done something against his realm unless something is really really wrong.

[Zas_]

Against rules is to put gems and relics in places where they can not be retrieved.

Few weeks ago, someone jump in Thorkul hole with a syrtis relic, is this bannable ?

Anyways, NGD has to write rules of his own game.... every game need written rules.

[ieti]

Few weeks ago, someone jump in Thorkul hole with a syrtis relic, is this bannable ?

I think in the past several times gems have been drowned, put in arenas and carried off cliffs. If i remmeber good people was punished for that.

Thorkul hole is hmm one of this places. But anyway relics return back after a while. And there are GM's to help.

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I still think people need to play more for fun. Being angry for this kind of stuff is funny. Bans please...

For me bans are needed if you really break game like abusing, harming, doing something really really bad to people and game. Like what a well known player done recently with items and accounts of alot players.

Playing with relics is not issue that deserves a ban for me.

[Healerous]

1. I dont own a account in Syrtis - never ever
2. Ive never said, im from Syrtis or stuff like that. (Krungle just stop lying or post a screen)
3. Jeti was right, Alsius is just about invading and stuff, which getting more than boring!

Like for the most ppl, this current invasion system is more than boring for me.
Nothing changed, numbers always win. (like always - thx NGD :facepalm3:)
Invasions/Noble quest just works for the ppl, who dont care about others.
I was in alot of situations, where i joined invasions just to help 1-2 ppl to get the noble, but when we arrived at noble, Alsius killed it already. (happened sooo often)

there is mostly a great coordination about invasion/"tactics", BEFORE the invasion starts, but then ppl are start to acting soooo selfish, that i just could puke!

all these points, including not getting help, while being ganked over and over again in OC. just made me really pissed off that day.
thats why ive decided to make my day and take relic and run around to hold off an invasion-attempt at least for an hour!

In the end, Alsius invaded anyways, so everybody was happy...

It was a one-off for me. From now on ill just ignore invasions and/or fight, when the right ppl are on, or helping the ganked ones.

[Rising_Cold]

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I knew you wrnt a gelf ^^

and hmm.. Id see myself doing that.. this no-time-to-play-break excuse is boring
but playing in alsius lately is even worse..

and no sorry, ignis just doesnt feel right

ppl really seem to have forgotten just how to have fun with everyone..
and not just have fun with a tiny group that enjoys invading and raging afterwards
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anyway.. there has been asked for a 'written rules' thingy quite often, defenitly
after the making of haven.. I just doubt NGD even has an idea just what is possible

I do think you can just do anything with the relics that you like.. it has a safeguard against
spots like thorky's hole or drowning and even against save camping
what more can you expect.. that they guard them 24/7 to make sure some multi
doesnt do something funny?

and sometimes its a great strategy to 'give' relic to another realm..


Sure you can go ahead and ban all you like, problem is, RO doesnt have that many players
who try and keep playing the game.. they hate the start and never see the end
so making a lot of things 'bannable' will make sure we have to look for other games

[Linuxmage]

I agree, banning for a little bit of multi-realming is far fetched.

This game is having enough problems retaining its current playerbase as it is, the influx of new players from steam has reduced to a mere dribble, and there are fewer and fewer of us each day.

And dont even ask what will happen when Elder Scrolls Online and Runescape 3 are released.

I agree to bans for deliberately glitching and bug-using, and things like speed-hacks.

But a ban merely because a player decided that his own realm had gotten greedy and over-reaching?

Alliances of seeming enemies against their own masters happens all the time, even in real life wars.

Many is the time a soldier has been court-martialled for refusing to follow the orders of superiors because of what the soldier thinks is immoral action.

[Tamui]

Hey Krungle, whenever you post, please take some screens of your proof. Your bullshit is getting bigger and bigger every day.

[Imago-Thunderfist]

Hey Krungle, whenever you post, please take some screens of your proof. Your bullshit is getting bigger and bigger every day.

I still don't have a clue who he is in-game :p

[Linuxmage]

I still don't have a clue who he is in-game :p

He has an Alsius Knight called Krungle, and two other noob level chars. He's an annoyance even on realm chat, and people have been adding him to their /ignore list.

[erttzzadfk]

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/848079540030828807/68D89714AACAAE7181B50E7287BB376AF9299B0F/
I know most are not bannable, but they argued in Realm chat whether or not they are. That was the point. End the arguments by having something to point to.

The other day, the last green relic was pulled by some healer that will remain nameless and taken to green central save. It was retrieved from there. The GM on duty said send screen shots and a report to get him banned. This player even admitted he did it because he is a multi-realmer and first and foremost a Gelf.

So, apparently this is a bannable offense. My only question is: why was he not banned instantly? Why the need to report it when a GM was on at the time and could see it?

We need written rules to point to, not just for the exploiters and exploited but also for those that are just trying to play the game and have fun.
Think so too.
So i'll use all options of this game (including legal multiaccs) as long as i don't have clear rules and informations what WE (cause i don't play this game alone) are allowed to do or not.
Atm these informations aren't clearly formulated anywhere and i don't see how you wanna ban someone this way (who asked a GM before having the last relic at Eferias for example..and was later said not to give it to gelfs).

**I'm "sorry" that i didn't choose different nicknames for different realms (like many others did..) and other players will be able to see very easy what's going on.
Can only give the same answer i get in here too: "Play for fun"...hrhr, k

[Krungle]

I apologize. It must have been someone with a really close spelling then. I do have mild dyslexia so spellings often are hard for me, especially when they are close. It is possible a person made a closely named toon just to cause confusion within the realm. I know others saw it and I do need to take screenshots when these things happen and will in the future.

Linuxmage...funny thing is you do not know my Main toon. Silly man. Plus when I am on Krungle I get lots of people giving me kudos for my posts and my refusal to go away from the forums. I know you would like to see me an outcast, but it just is not the facts and will not happen.

We still need the printed rules somewhere and GMs need authority to ban instantly if those written rules are violated.

[Awrath]

More random bullshit with no evidence..

You know Krungle, for someone pushing for a list of rules, it would help if you actually read some of the existing forum rules and regulations to begin with. Just for your reference:


1.3) It's forbidden to accuse any user of any kind of activity, be it inside the game or in the forums. To report the mentioned cases you must send a ticket to http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/support in the "Abuse" section with proofs and corresponding explanation.

[VandaMan]

when I am on Krungle I get lots of people giving me kudos for my posts and my refusal to go away from the forums.

Bahahaha. Made my day.

[_Kharbon_]

GMs need authority to ban instantly if those written rules are violated.

As far as I am aware, GMs do have the power to ban people.
Are you speaking about GCs? Or it might be me getting them mixed up.

The community volunteers (GCs) don't have the power to ban players, and should not have it for obvious reasons. Gamesamba administrative staff does have the power to ban both NGD and GS accounts, as far as I am aware.

[Rising_Cold]

Linuxmage...funny thing is you do not know my Main toon. Silly man. Plus when I am on Krungle I get lots of people giving me kudos for my posts and my refusal to go away from the forums. I know you would like to see me an outcast, but it just is not the facts and will not happen.


Im getting awefully curious to know who you are ingame.. just so I can figure out just
how you mean your posts.. its easy to take everything the badway on a forum
its also easy to start nasty rumors on these forums and thats prolly why most ppl here dont like u krungle

@aquaboxio.. you really shouldnt try tricking GMs into saying things, thats bad behaviour :p
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Just face facts, NGD/gamesamba will NOT 'publish' some sort of rules..
and even if they did, everyone would just start complaining coz they will make to many

[Tamui]

I still don't have a clue who he is in-game :p

It's probably a good thing. At least if I see his chars they won't piss me off just by looking at them.

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Funny thing is, GCs probably know more about the game than GMs.

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Krungle plays for alsius and his char is called Krungle.

[Niremix]

Plus when I am on Krungle I get lots of people giving me kudos for my posts and my refusal to go away from the forums.

Hahahahahahahahaha, Cannas' english twin brother? Is that you?