Question from an old/ and possibly returning player!!

[KappaKing]

Greetings Ladies and Gents,

I used to play RO about 8 years ago but after playing APB for long time decided to check back the status of this game which I once loved to play. Thus, I have questions for you guys before I decide to re-invest time on this game.

Originally I quit because of the mindless and ridiculous amounts of grinding needed. I am a harcore pvper. I've played warhammer online, Aion etc and I absolutely hate PvE. So Here are my questions:

1) Would I still need to mindlessly grind on mobs to level up so that I may get to pvp? How long would it take me to reach max level in order to start enjoying pvp with a group?

2) Is this game gear dependent? FOR EXAMPLE: At high rank, will someone with orange gear get beaten by someone in purple gear despite the guy in orange having better skill sets and tactics?

3)Is this game pay to win? I know there is a cash shop, but does it give you a significant advantage against others or is it all cosmetics? For example, does everyone get a basic mount? if not, I would see that as an unfair advantage as the people who payed real money for a mount have greater speed while the other have to walk. I.E. catching up to enemy or getting to location X before them etc

4) How is the community in game? the Clans? Leets vs Casual gamers?

5) If i decide to join, which server would I go to? which side? Any side that is the underdog? if so why?
Also, which class? I seem to like barbarian so far but 8 years ago i used to play KNIGHT. If my knight is on a spanish or german server and I would like to bring him on a english server, would this be possible? ( I forgot where he was stationed)


Thank you for taking time to read and answering! Looking forward to join a game and community that loves RVR and PVP !! :viking:
See you all soon, MAYBE xoxox:hat:
Myth.

[Checkit]

1) Would I still need to mindlessly grind on mobs to level up so that I may get to pvp? How long would it take me to reach max level in order to start enjoying pvp with a group?

Yes. How long it takes is dependant on how much you grind. However, I can tell you that getting to 50 (which was the old cap when you were here) will take a week or two. Getting to 60 (the new cap) will take a couple months though. You can war easily at level 50 and do pretty well, but I wouldn't advise trying to pvp a lvl 60 because there stat differences between level 55+ gear and level 50 gear is pretty significant.

2) Is this game gear dependent? FOR EXAMPLE: At high rank, will someone with orange gear get beaten by someone in purple gear despite the guy in orange having better skill sets and tactics?

This is the only MMO I have played, so I am not quite sure how that would work, but no, it isn't. Example: Yellow (special) gear with better stats than purple (epic) gear is better than purple (epic) gear. However, Special gear only gives one bonus, epic gear gives 3. So, in general, epic gear will probably be better.

3)Is this game pay to win? I know there is a cash shop, but does it give you a significant advantage against others or is it all cosmetics? For example, does everyone get a basic mount? if not, I would see that as an unfair advantage as the people who payed real money for a mount have greater speed while the other have to walk. I.E. catching up to enemy or getting to location X before them etc

The game use to have mounts for golds, and they need to bring that back, but NGD put mounts only on the cash shop now. The cheapest one (which has the same speed as the others, the others just look better) costs ~5$, so, although not too much, they should still be able to be bought for gold, in my opinion.

4) How is the community in game? the Clans? Leets vs Casual gamers?

Community is pretty good, it is the only thing that is keeping the majority of us here. Depends on what clan you join, but they can be fun. Not sure about the last one, but there are more casual gamers than "leet" ones, and a lot of players who suck, but think they are pro coughelvacough :D

5) If i decide to join, which server would I go to? which side? Any side that is the underdog? if so why?
Also, which class? I seem to like barbarian so far but 8 years ago i used to play KNIGHT. If my knight is on a spanish or german server and I would like to bring him on a english server, would this be possible? ( I forgot where he was stationed)

If you live in an English-speaking country, your server would be Haven. The underdog right now is Syrtis, iirc. Not sure how they became so underpopulated because they use to have double-quadrouple the amount of both the other realms combined, but karma I guess. Anyway, the underpopulated cycle goes around every year. Right now Alsius is OP. Next will probably be Ignis, then back to Syrtis, etc. So, I would say choose whichever realm you prefer. Im in ignis, so, if you want to show me your tits and/or have sex/an orgy, feel free to join there, and let me know who you are.


Depends on your style of play.
I know they use to allow RA (spanish) transfers to Horus, but that was a long time ago, and Haven is the new English server, so you will probably have to send in a support ticket about that.

[Cuchulainn]

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1) Would I still need to mindlessly grind on mobs to level up so that I may get to pvp? How long would it take me to reach max level in order to start enjoying pvp with a group?

Reaching the max level without much use of ximerin takes a very long time. But RvR is already fun at around lvl 40+ - also depending on the class, knights, conjus, locks can enjoy RvR even a bit earlier IMHO.


2) Is this game gear dependent? FOR EXAMPLE: At high rank, will someone with orange gear get beaten by someone in purple gear despite the guy in orange having better skill sets and tactics?

The game focus is especially on RvR. In RvR the class distribution and numbers matter more than the gear of the realm players. IMHO for support knights and conjus and perhaps locks premium gear is not as worth it as for other classes.


3)Is this game pay to win? I know there is a cash shop, but does it give you a significant advantage against others or is it all cosmetics? For example, does everyone get a basic mount? if not, I would see that as an unfair advantage as the people who payed real money for a mount have greater speed while the other have to walk. I.E. catching up to enemy or getting to location X before them etc

IMHO mount is the most useful premium item in the game. The cheapest mount costs about 3 dollars (in euros the same).

4) How is the community in game? the Clans? Leets vs Casual gamers?

apart from few exceptions it's great. Annoying spammers can always be ignored via /ignore.

5) If i decide to join, which server would I go to? which side? Any side that is the underdog? if so why?

If you want to play in a English community, you would join the Haven server. The RvR balance is on Haven not very imbalanced currently. For a long time Syrtis was mostly the strongest realm, but for the last few months they have been rather the underdog. Perhaps because the class distribution in this realm is crap. Almost half the players are archers in Syrtis. Alsius on the other hand has many knights.

Also, which class? I seem to like barbarian so far but 8 years ago i used to play KNIGHT. If my knight is on a spanish or german server and I would like to bring him on a english server, would this be possible? ( I forgot where he was stationed)

if you can still log in to your old account, I would recomment to just experiment with your existing knight in the RvR - at least if it is lvl 40+. A player of a lower level knights would need more experience to have fun in RvR.


Thank you for taking time to read and answering! Looking forward to join a game and community that loves RVR and PVP !! :viking:
See you all soon, MAYBE xoxox:hat:
Myth.

[Shwish]

The person above me pretty much summed it up but I'll throw my 2 cents into the bucket anyway.


1) Would I still need to mindlessly grind on mobs to level up so that I may get to pvp? How long would it take me to reach max level in order to start enjoying pvp with a group?


Unfortunately yes, gaining levels is still as much of a pain as it used to be. However on the Haven server we do have regular server-wide experience boosts which can be pretty effective when stacking it with booster scrolls. The speed at which you level is directly proportional the sum of how much time you're willing to spend on grinding a day and how much cash you're willing to spend on levelling up.


2) Is this game gear dependent? FOR EXAMPLE: At high rank, will someone with orange gear get beaten by someone in purple gear despite the guy in orange having better skill sets and tactics?


There is a degree of gear dependancy in this game but it honestly isn't as bad as some other games I've played. Its also dependant on what class you decide to play. A mage is pretty much fine with any gear where as there's a big gap between a well geared marksman and a poorly geared one. Fortunately skill does outweigh gear on this game (as far as I've experienced) and a leet geared player can easily be overwelmed by someone who doesn't give him any room to breath.


3)Is this game pay to win? I know there is a cash shop, but does it give you a significant advantage against others or is it all cosmetics? For example, does everyone get a basic mount? if not, I would see that as an unfair advantage as the people who payed real money for a mount have greater speed while the other have to walk. I.E. catching up to enemy or getting to location X before them etc

I would say "Not really" pay to win. Its true that players willing to pay for boxes has a better chance of attaining epic/legendary/magical gear, but the real problem of overgeared players comes from boss jewellery which cannot be purchased legally via premium. On a side note, dont rely too much on premium boxes because you'll end up pulling your hair out.


4) How is the community in game? the Clans? Leets vs Casual gamers?


The community's awesome. Probably the best I've experienced in an mmorpg. Sure we have our fair share of trolls,village idiots, elitist and complete morons but you'll find majority of the players are very friendly and more than willing to welcome a new face.


5) If i decide to join, which server would I go to? which side? Any side that is the underdog? if so why?
Also, which class? I seem to like barbarian so far but 8 years ago i used to play KNIGHT. If my knight is on a spanish or german server and I would like to bring him on a english server, would this be possible? ( I forgot where he was stationed)


I haven't been online in a while so i can't really answer this question. Population balances change all the time so its hard to say which realm or server you should go for, but if English is your primary language I would go for Haven. As for classes, play the one that appeals to you the most, don't let anyone make that descision for you because if you enjoy the playstyle of that particular class, you'll be good at. With that said, barbarians are ridiculously overpowered.

[Krungle]

Others have pretty much answered the Q's. But, join the goats. We have quite a few Warju's joining the battles right now and I imagine most will respec to support once the hit upper 50's. Locks are in short supply and we can always use more Marksmen and, yes, Barbs.

Goats do have an 'uber' Clan (in their own mind) that do have some decent but selfish players. However, since most of them are in one egg-head basket it should be easy to find a good clan. Goats are the friendliest and most helpful of the Realms, even if we do split too much during invasions and often do other stupid things (Kind of like the Cincinnati Bengals). But there are a ton of younger players that are learning and we are getting better all the time, often taking castles and relics when outnumbered and occasionally sniping gems with small groups.

Plus we have Dwarves!

[Checkit]

Others have pretty much answered the Q's. But, join the goats. We have quite a few Warju's joining the battles right now and I imagine most will respec to support once the hit upper 50's. Locks are in short supply and we can always use more Marksmen and, yes, Barbs.

Goats do have an 'uber' Clan (in their own mind) that do have some decent but selfish players. However, since most of them are in one egg-head basket it should be easy to find a good clan. Goats are the friendliest and most helpful of the Realms, even if we do split too much during invasions and often do other stupid things (Kind of like the Cincinnati Bengals). But there are a ton of younger players that are learning and we are getting better all the time, often taking castles and relics when outnumbered and occasionally sniping gems with small groups.

Plus we have Dwarves!

Common (sense) courtesy has been for the realm that invades every day and is overpopulated to not try to recruit new players and make the server even more imbalanced and not fun.

[errei]

If u Come to ignis, ignore back door baby and u will have fun for sure.
i think joining syrtis atm can be fun too, they r underdog and (war) fights will be most callenging.
Joining alsius can be a bit less of a challenge atm in wars, but if you want to hunt and have small fights, any realm is OK.

Im afraid u will have to grind like a brainless robot to reach high lvls =/ but if u get bored, at almost any lvl from 40+ u can have a chance of killing a low hp grinder or try joining a war.

And... only mount xim is really important. ofc there r some players who just spend alot and have good advantage, but it is still posible to fight them, unless there is some class disvatages, but thats a different topic.

[GrimNightfall]

Alsius has the least population and we win because our skill level as a whole is better than that of the overpopulated Syrtis and Ignis zergs. Join us, we need more barbs and locks!(with every spell at 5)
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[Krungle]

I am sure you can see that Realm Loyalists are loyal even to this board.

Let me tell you a story of a man that was looking to buy a house. The man had narrowed his search down to two houses, both in good neighborhoods. He decided to talk to the neighbors and ask them about the person who lived in the house previously.
At the first house the neighbors were glad the person was moving out. "His kids were always running around making a racket," said one. "On Sundays he would hold a noisy party in his backyard after church," said another. "Every Saturday it was noise noise noise, always mowing the lawn, trimming his hedges and building things in his garage," said a third.
At the second house the neighbors were all saddened by their friend moving. "His kids gave life to the neighborhood," one said, "always laughing and playing." Another said, "He always had a Saturday afternoon BBQ and if anyone stopped by he was happy to invite them to the feast." A third said, "he always kept up his yard and house so well and spent every weekend working on it."
The next day the man returned to the Realtor and told him he had made his desicn. The Realtor asked him what it was that finally made up his mind and he responded, "The people in the second neighborhood were much nicer."

[GrimNightfall]

I am sure you can see that Realm Loyalists are loyal even to this board.

Let me tell you a story of a man that was looking to buy a house. The man had narrowed his search down to two houses, both in good neighborhoods. He decided to talk to the neighbors and ask them about the person who lived in the house previously.
At the first house the neighbors were glad the person was moving out. "His kids were always running around making a racket," said one. "On Sundays he would hold a noisy party in his backyard after church," said another. "Every Saturday it was noise noise noise, always mowing the lawn, trimming his hedges and building things in his garage," said a third.
At the second house the neighbors were all saddened by their friend moving. "His kids gave life to the neighborhood," one said, "always laughing and playing." Another said, "He always had a Saturday afternoon BBQ and if anyone stopped by he was happy to invite them to the feast." A third said, "he always kept up his yard and house so well and spent every weekend working on it."
The next day the man returned to the Realtor and told him he had made his desicn. The Realtor asked him what it was that finally made up his mind and he responded, "The people in the second neighborhood were much nicer."
Ummm.... What I was supposed to get from this post was that you think Alsius is the only realm with nice people, correct?

[VandaMan]

I am sure you can see that Realm Loyalists are loyal even to this board.

Let me tell you a story of a man that was looking to buy a house. The man had narrowed his search down to two houses, both in good neighborhoods. He decided to talk to the neighbors and ask them about the person who lived in the house previously.
At the first house the neighbors were glad the person was moving out. "His kids were always running around making a racket," said one. "On Sundays he would hold a noisy party in his backyard after church," said another. "Every Saturday it was noise noise noise, always mowing the lawn, trimming his hedges and building things in his garage," said a third.
At the second house the neighbors were all saddened by their friend moving. "His kids gave life to the neighborhood," one said, "always laughing and playing." Another said, "He always had a Saturday afternoon BBQ and if anyone stopped by he was happy to invite them to the feast." A third said, "he always kept up his yard and house so well and spent every weekend working on it."
The next day the man returned to the Realtor and told him he had made his desicn. The Realtor asked him what it was that finally made up his mind and he responded, "The people in the second neighborhood were much nicer."

Your story is bad, and you should feel bad.

[KappaKing]

Greetings fellow ROs,

Thank you very much for such responses!!! quite helpful indeed.

I guess id have to try it out for myself if i have time.
I shall log on to my knight ( lvl 41 i beleive? ) but I guess i'd have to ask for a server change if he is in RA because English is my first language while Spanish is my fourth.

Any clans or individuals in haven ( or RA) that use skype, ventrilo or other communication methods? It would be nice to talk to some people to get a greater feel of this game.

Thanks once again for the responses, you guys rock! xox:hat:

[HelpMeHelpYou]

Ummm.... What I was supposed to get from this post was that you think Alsius is the only realm with nice people, correct?

No, you were supposed to get that Krungle is still mentally handicapped

[Rising_Cold]

krungle please.. dont turn into tigerious 2.0
we really dont need some1 who justifies everything we (goats) do
that just makes everything we try to do with good intetions seem bad too

if you dont understand what i mean.. take it from a player who played during syrtis OP times okay?

Im sure you mean well for alsius, but the thing is, in this game we've gone beyond
your own realm, because it was/is such a small game we are here as a whole community
not alsius, ignis and syrtis

if you want to make funny hate other realms than the one your in topics, do it in the inn
or during xmas events :p

anyway OT: everything was answered so thats good, if you dont like RA
there have been a few RA players who moved to haven and loved it
smaller server has its + points too i guess

[Kyrottimus]

Every realm should (and probably does) have their own players who make everyone facepalm. That way, NGD could introduce a new premium facepalm emote, and it would incentivice players to buy it and use it frequently to show their disdain for someone's words/actions.

http://unknowninkdesign.com/UID/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/facepalm-849x10241.png

[Shwish]

Every realm should (and probably does) have their own players who make everyone facepalm. That way, NGD could introduce a new premium facepalm emote, and it would incentivice players to buy it and use it frequently to show their disdain for someone's words/actions.


I second this, I would also like to see an emote that allows us to do a small amount of damage to players of our own realm. Something like "kick in the nuts" etc.

[ieti]

Buahahaha. I definately need to make a search and read all Krugle's replies. :biggrin:

It is easy to look from one side where everything looks bright and shiny. I have been Syrtis in times when they was on top and i hated alot of things we as realm do. I see what Alsius do now and i can tell it is with raw power and numbers and definately not skill.

I saw what happens to realm when power arises and what people turn into. I have seen how alot people join because it is the winning side. I know how this people then are gone when wheel turns and what is left behind.

Be nice to others, because i remember how goats was, how ignis was and how syrtis are now. :sifflote:

[SirHiss]

Just read almost all Krungle's posts, Its better then sex bro!

[rogueish]

If you played 8 years ago you'll probably find the game far different. Many of the players from that time quit because of the unwanted changes but you may like them, it's all relative to what you like in a game.

1 - Is the game still grind centric? -- definitely yes, if you had returned when raven was still up you would have had an easier time but since the merger it's back to the old horus grind.

2 - Is the game gear dependent? -- yes pretty much since the addition of legendary gear a non paying player has little chance against any player with legendary gear.

3 - Is the game pay to win? -- Short answer yes. see answer number 2.

4 - How is the community? -- About the same as it always was on horus, some nice people some know it alls and some jerks like in all mmo's.

5 - Which realm to join? -- That's a personal choice and there's no way anyone can answer that for you. We all have personal likes for some realms and dislikes for others, but the realm you choose should be the one you feel would benefit from you as a player. Right now alsius is over running the others but that is temporary, just as when syrtis did it before alsius and ignis before syrtis. Don't worry about the current situation because probably sooner than later it will change, so just choose which ever you like.

[Rising_Cold]

2 - Is the game gear dependent? -- yes pretty much since the addition of legendary gear a non paying player has little chance against any player with legendary gear.

3 - Is the game pay to win? -- Short answer yes. see answer number 2.


gear dependent.. a player with skills & bad gear vs a noob with the best gear around..
even bossgear which you should (legally) not able to get with real life money..

the skilled player will win 9/10 , the 10th fight is lost coz all his spells got resisted.. coz this is RO ^^

is the game pay to win? -- long answer no. :harhar:
a paying player can turn out with worse gear than a non paying player
and that paying player will (usually) have a harder time obtaining it
well harder.. very expensive way that requires insane amount of luck

.. take me.. all my awesome gear comes from friends (who dropped) and friendly mobs
the 3 boxes i tried gave me crap stuff that made me rage a lot and well.. no moar boxes!

but all this was said before.. i just wanted to post something :p
(ow about the legendary gear.. Im the perfect example that that is nonesense in most cases..)

[VandaMan]

gear dependent.. a player with skills & bad gear vs a noob with the best gear around..
even bossgear which you should (legally) not able to get with real life money..

the skilled player will win 9/10 , the 10th fight is lost coz all his spells got resisted.. coz this is RO ^^

While it may be true that a complete noob with amazing gear will often lose to a really good player with shitty gear, that hardly means the game isn't gear dependent. Between players of close to equal skill with unequal gear, gear will almost always be the deciding factor, when resists are not. If we're factoring in boss gear, it can be almost impossible to win against someone with it, depending on subclass and whether or not the person with boss gear is afk/mentally handicapped.

As a hunter or marksman, fighting another hunter or marksman, it's not uncommon to come across an enemy whose normal hits do twice as much damage as yours do. I'm not saying it's impossible to win against that guy, but it's obvious that gear has a huge impact on that fight. For example, I think you can take a good guess how this fight ended just from the first hit:

http://i.imgur.com/6vFHBPp.jpg?2

The truth is that this game is heavily gear dependent (particularly so for archer subclasses), but not necessarily in a "pay to win" way.

[fotomay]

i also feel the game can be perceived to be dependent on gear, but not to such a degree as to amount to a pay to win condition.

i feel that ultimately :-
1) All boss items should be time limited and not permanent
2) All players should get to pick from an identical inventory of items
3) The random loot generator as promulgated by Diablo should be removed. This loot generator should be replaced by a large and carefully maintained database and inventory of game equipment created specifically by the devs.