Warlock in battlezones

[Almighty1]

Originally Posted by mag mage

Hello, my main class is Warlock, and as a Champion with 80% winning rate ( I guess e.e) , in my opinion warlock is fine. I have some tips to avoid these situations, first of all you have a team with you, battlezone isn't player X or Player Y, its team play and yeah, I'm from Ra, I don't have native english :'(

- When group joins TDM, party says: "Oh no, he's warlock, not conju."
Warlocks can be more useful than conju, warlock in TDM is a support class, because there isn't any conju in your team, support isn't only heal allies, because you can't. As warlock you have to dispel your allies, bring Synergy Bond, CC ur enemies and do damage, yeah... So many thing to do, this is warlock, you can be everything and NEVER, NEVER stop moving.

- Can't reach archer
As I say when it happens in Warzone, if you can't hit your enemy, don't let him hit you, use Wind Wall to receive less damage and avoid him, your team will reach him someway, stay with them.

- Marks casts WS, barb rushes in - dead warlock
You're not alone, never stay alone, you may have 2 warriors in your team, if one of them is knight, you're safe with his auras and Protect Ally, if they are barbs, their dmg is stronger than this rushing barb, you can also bring Laziness and Darkness, Mind Push to counter him. PS: Marksmen have Fire Arrow.

- Barb with DI - dead warlock
Yeah, DI is a way to counter warlocks, here is when your experience helps you, always be on max range against barbs if you don't feel safe, keep burning and stealing their mana and NEVER stop moving, the barb will use Spring first, if you're quick, you can meteor him before his UM, you can also use Ivy, even frozen storm and twister if they're not rushing into you, if you stop him for 1 second, your team will be already attacking him.

- Can't get away from rushing barb because of his ultimate speed
You have so many ways to counter a barb...

- Can't cc or stop rushing knight - Faint/kick endless combo from knight
If he is using Defensive Support, you can use Ivy, slow, mind push, twister, mass ivy, he has -10% movement speed with DS, NEVER stop moving and he won't be a problem to you, if he turns his Defensive Stance off, Darkness him and he will die.

- Can't do any DoT damage - mages and knights dispells it - Can't do any real damage
You don't have to only do damage, you have to CC ur enemies, stun their frontline, you don't kill, you make the "kill" happens, you have strong CCs and you have to take advantage from it, freeze knights, use darkness to avoid mages' dispel. make your enemies stay out of the game.

- Can't score a kill with pathetic DoT damage
Lighting, Ice Blast, Freeze (lvl 3 +) = Warlock Y defeated poor player, You don't have to score kills, only if nobody can do it at the moment. You can also steal kills with fireball and meteor. Use skills to your favor, Summon Lighting and Sultar's Terror are good damage skills, yeah, sultar can deal damage too...

- Can't cast any spell when running back to base while barb is doing op normals
I agree, but it happens with all classes.

- Can't cast EB or Wind Wall when running back to base while marks is doing op damage
You must have good items, as good as this op-damage-marks' gear, your allies can help you with Onslaught to run away, also, your team's archer will be attacking him.

- Casts sultar and half of enemy players resists/blocks it
Luck, but if your enemies used Son of the Wind or Precise Block its your fault, use the map, strategy, Sultar is a strong spell in battlezone, you have to surprise your enemies, see this video as example: https://youtu.be/FssAbD6UaIk?t=7m48s - Minute 8:30 too.
Sultar - darkness - Ivy or twister - dead.

- Can't manage to survive in narrow passages
You have your team. CC ur enemies, see the video above.

- Can't compete at all against other """""""""overbuffed"""""""" classes


- When warlock finally spends whole spellbook to _almost_ kill an enemy player, some marks from other side of map hits normal on him and scores a kill
This is archer's and knight's role, if you did the last hit, isn't because you're good, its because someone didn't make his job, you don't have to spend all whole spellbook, you have a team too.

Unfortunately I didn't record any gameplay during BZ time, but I have a video with a good teamplay, 2 BZ there, first team: Warlock, Conju, Marks, Hunter. Second team: Warlock, Warlock, Conju, Hunter. No op-damage-barb in team. Here is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtPC5u841g

Best Regards.

Well said.
+1

[Sentan]

I agree with mag-mage but still if I had option to choose my team comp in 3v3v3 TDM warlock takes last place on my list and I'm always glad to see warlock in enemy team :P easy target

[Pery3000]

Originally Posted by mag mage

Unfortunately I didn't record any gameplay during BZ time, but I have a video with a good teamplay, 2 BZ there, first team: Warlock, Conju, Marks, Hunter. Second team: Warlock, Warlock, Conju, Hunter. No op-damage-barb in team. Here is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtPC5u841g

Best Regards.

+1 to your post. Mag Mage for president 2016.

The gag is most of these players are very skilled in the game. This was before NGD sorta nerfed how you enter BZ. Its now hard trying to go in with your friends even if you queue at the same time. I think that's why people get frustrated.

Reasons I don't enter BZ hardly anymore. (already have set anyway) Also don't like carrying my team on my back anymore. Capture the flag would be fun.

[Ludwig-von-Mises-I]

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

You play knight, not warlock.
NEXT!

Right i don't know anything because knight is my main class. Great logic there.

Originally Posted by mag mage

Hello, my main class is Warlock, and as a Champion with 80% winning rate ( I guess e.e) , in my opinion warlock is fine. I have some tips to avoid these situations, first of all you have a team with you, battlezone isn't player X or Player Y, its team play and yeah, I'm from Ra, I don't have native english :'(

- When group joins TDM, party says: "Oh no, he's warlock, not conju."
Warlocks can be more useful than conju, warlock in TDM is a support class, because there isn't any conju in your team, support isn't only heal allies, because you can't. As warlock you have to dispel your allies, bring Synergy Bond, CC ur enemies and do damage, yeah... So many thing to do, this is warlock, you can be everything and NEVER, NEVER stop moving.

- Can't reach archer
As I say when it happens in Warzone, if you can't hit your enemy, don't let him hit you, use Wind Wall to receive less damage and avoid him, your team will reach him someway, stay with them.

- Marks casts WS, barb rushes in - dead warlock
You're not alone, never stay alone, you may have 2 warriors in your team, if one of them is knight, you're safe with his auras and Protect Ally, if they are barbs, their dmg is stronger than this rushing barb, you can also bring Laziness and Darkness, Mind Push to counter him. PS: Marksmen have Fire Arrow.

- Barb with DI - dead warlock
Yeah, DI is a way to counter warlocks, here is when your experience helps you, always be on max range against barbs if you don't feel safe, keep burning and stealing their mana and NEVER stop moving, the barb will use Spring first, if you're quick, you can meteor him before his UM, you can also use Ivy, even frozen storm and twister if they're not rushing into you, if you stop him for 1 second, your team will be already attacking him.

- Can't get away from rushing barb because of his ultimate speed
You have so many ways to counter a barb...

- Can't cc or stop rushing knight - Faint/kick endless combo from knight
If he is using Defensive Support, you can use Ivy, slow, mind push, twister, mass ivy, he has -10% movement speed with DS, NEVER stop moving and he won't be a problem to you, if he turns his Defensive Stance off, Darkness him and he will die.

- Can't do any DoT damage - mages and knights dispells it - Can't do any real damage
You don't have to only do damage, you have to CC ur enemies, stun their frontline, you don't kill, you make the "kill" happens, you have strong CCs and you have to take advantage from it, freeze knights, use darkness to avoid mages' dispel. make your enemies stay out of the game.

- Can't score a kill with pathetic DoT damage
Lighting, Ice Blast, Freeze (lvl 3 +) = Warlock Y defeated poor player, You don't have to score kills, only if nobody can do it at the moment. You can also steal kills with fireball and meteor. Use skills to your favor, Summon Lighting and Sultar's Terror are good damage skills, yeah, sultar can deal damage too...

- Can't cast any spell when running back to base while barb is doing op normals
I agree, but it happens with all classes.

- Can't cast EB or Wind Wall when running back to base while marks is doing op damage
You must have good items, as good as this op-damage-marks' gear, your allies can help you with Onslaught to run away, also, your team's archer will be attacking him.

- Casts sultar and half of enemy players resists/blocks it
Luck, but if your enemies used Son of the Wind or Precise Block its your fault, use the map, strategy, Sultar is a strong spell in battlezone, you have to surprise your enemies, see this video as example: https://youtu.be/FssAbD6UaIk?t=7m48s - Minute 8:30 too.
Sultar - darkness - Ivy or twister - dead.

- Can't manage to survive in narrow passages
You have your team. CC ur enemies, see the video above.

- Can't compete at all against other """""""""overbuffed"""""""" classes


- When warlock finally spends whole spellbook to _almost_ kill an enemy player, some marks from other side of map hits normal on him and scores a kill
This is archer's and knight's role, if you did the last hit, isn't because you're good, its because someone didn't make his job, you don't have to spend all whole spellbook, you have a team too.

Unfortunately I didn't record any gameplay during BZ time, but I have a video with a good teamplay, 2 BZ there, first team: Warlock, Conju, Marks, Hunter. Second team: Warlock, Warlock, Conju, Hunter. No op-damage-barb in team. Here is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtPC5u841g

Best Regards.

mage mage pretty much said the same thing i did but in more detail. Warlock may not be my main class but i know when someone knows how to play their class skillfully.

And talking about skillfully, mage mage is in my opinion one of the best if not the best warlock in all servers. I'v seen him play and in the all against all tournament.

[Anunnaki]

well said to those nab crylocks.
Sadly they won't learn, they are playing years and still don't dispel their allies, don't move and side walk while casting, use sk when they are full hp, not a single proper area when needed...

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Mag Mage knows what's up.

[Cranddor]

So if I believe some 'experts' in this thread, to play a warlock you have to be a superman with hundred of years of experience, absolutely skillfull, state of the art set, a born black belt warlock who dedicates his life to CoR. Otherwise you are an idiot noob whith two left hands.
On the other hand to play another subclass, like marks all you need is to stay 50m away from your target.

Ooookeeeeey.

[Kimahri_Ronso]

Slarti, did you want to make a Troll - thread ?
Don't think so. Trolls stay away pls. Trolls, STFU. ^^

Slarti has a point whether you accept it or not, mag mage here or there.
All he said is right, but situational. You need to think before acting, use your brain, that is all. Using your brain is all you can do since you cannot use your low-ranged spells.

Yes, I don't like all the hardly- played warlock or not at all / warlocks are fine posts, everyone who thinks warlocks are fine can stfu. .I.

I am with you Slarti!!

[Anunnaki]

The only one trolling here is you and this thread. you can replace it with mag mage post, it is more legit.

[Anunnaki]

Originally Posted by Cranddor

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On the other hand to play another subclass, like marks all you need is to stay 50m away from your target.

Ooookeeeeey.

Then make a thread complaining about marks range, i will be the first to support it.
but saying warlock is useless is retard...