1.0.6: The good the bad and the ugly

[gupta]

Perspective of melee player

Good:

Trainer

Bad:

Complete destruction of piercing tree and rib breaker in blunt

Ugly:

Already Overpowered mages (SM tree) are now gods

[skip86]

Originally Posted by Ponter

Hi! Are you a Barbarian? If that is the case, try this:

Unstoppable Madness

"The barbarian enters a madness state in which he is almost immune to crowd control attempts."

Lvl 1 70% | Lvl 5 90% (Resistance to knock down, stun, freeze, dizzy and cannot move effects.)

Mages would have only 30% to 10% chances to inmobilize you, if you spend points on this spell.

Regards!

Hello, if that's the scenario, a mage would cast Energy Borrow + Barrier (3 secs to cast Unstoppable Madness) and run till madness effects are gone. It will end up with me without mana and buffs. The mage, instead, will still have his range to do whatever he likes.

I don't think that a skill you gain at level 37, requires 3 secs of casting time and huge mana quantity is the way to counter a low-level and cheap spell like prickling ivy.

[Nightchill]

Originally Posted by skip86

Hello, if that's the scenario, a mage would cast Energy Borrow + Barrier (3 secs to cast Unstoppable Madness) and run till madness effects are gone. It will end up with me without mana and buffs. The mage, instead, will still have his range to do whatever he likes.

I don't think that a skill you gain at level 37, requires 3 secs of casting time and huge mana quantity is the way to counter a low-level and cheap spell like prickling ivy.

errr dude.. use embes/spring to catch (even tho you can catch a mage without that)... and if you have madness on you can pretty much kill any mage in 3, max 4 normal hits. anyway, if you took the time you spend to glitch bridges to actually learn your char you wouldn't be bitching around here.

anyway, madness does not prevent mind push, slow and beetle swarm. there is a god!

[skip86]

Originally Posted by Nightchill

errr dude.. use embes/spring... and if you have madness on you can pretty much kill any mage in 3, max 4 normal hits. anyway, if you took the time you spend to glitch bridges to actually learn your char you wouldn't be bitching around here.

anyway, madness does not prevent mind push, slow and beetle swarm. there is a god!

1. You didn't read the post. I know that i can kill some mages and that some mages can kill me, it's fine. That's not the point. Try to think of Meteor, Lightning or Fireball having relative damage and not fixed. It's the same for us having balestra doing 8-10 damage: totally useless.

2. I was answering to Ponter. Anytime someone tries to have a constructive debate, you call it "bitching" ?

3. Glitching Bridges ? Do you mean hiding under pb to surprise and kill some of your mates ? I didn't know that was illegal. Is it more or less illegal than having multiple accounts in all realms for spam purpose ?

Regards.

[theotherhiveking]

Originally Posted by Ponter

Hi! Are you a Barbarian? If that is the case, try this:

Unstoppable Madness

"The barbarian enters a madness state in which he is almost immune to crowd control attempts."

Lvl 1 70% | Lvl 5 90% (Resistance to knock down, stun, freeze, dizzy and cannot move effects.)

Mages would have only 30% to 10% chances to inmobilize you, if you spend points on this spell.

Regards!

lvl19 ultraexpensive skills vs lvl 3 cheap ranged skill. Who will win?

A lvl 30 conjurer kept me doing nothing for 25seconds just casting that and then runing arround while everything, even rocks, killed me.

[ArchmagusArcana]

Originally Posted by skip86

3. Glitching Bridges ? Do you mean hiding under pb to surprise and kill some of your mates ? I didn't know that was illegal. Is it more or less illegal than having multiple accounts in all realms for spam purpose ?

Regards.

Glitching bridges = hiding underneath and then taking advantage of holes in programming to leave the bridge by going straight up instead of going around so ppl dont have a chance to react, yes, its called cheating, and so is having multiple accounts to spy on your enemies, or having someone get killed by a castle or fort so they can chat on irc or ventrilo/teamspeak/mumble to give away tactical information.

If i die in a fair fight, ok, i can live with that, but i cannot abide dying because someone exploits programing gaps to do things that were never intended. This is not the right topic for this, but glitching is something i feel strongly about, so sorry for the detour.


Anyways, back on topic: just like theotherviking, I was also handily killed by a conjurer yesterday after this update. Part of it was that balestra is now a broken skill and does not damage, and the other part was the positioning bug (which is why i loved balestra in the first placee) i stood on top of and ran through my opponent and i could not use spells or attack (and no, i was not dizzy, it just wouldnt work). Ive talked to a lot of warriors in my realm and they are all having the same issue.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by Nightchill

errr dude.. use embes/spring to catch, even tho you can catch a mage without that

After casting UM? (up to 500 mana) as well as base battle buffs (at least frenzy) take away the mana from Energy borrow, and you are left with very little, not likely to be enough for Onsl maybe just about spring.

And allthough the mage wont be able to use cc to keep you at distance he can still lay down a lot of damage and you have only normals to fight back with, also UM dosnt protect vs Mind Push and with Balestra nerfed it is even harder to get near a mage using it now. Also Balestra needs mana that you likely wont have.

Then even if you get near enough and somehow manage to stay on long enough to do damage, remember you have no mana, a warlock can gain 1k hp back from Sk and 750-1k of barrier energy, a conju can self heal cast barrier and SS as well.

One on one for a barb its very hard to beat a mage who is set up well in my eyes, for a knight you can be lucky with blocks and get to the point were you have no mana (all stolen/burned) and the lock has used all his reserves on atks that have been blocked.

[skip86]

Originally Posted by ArchmagusArcana

Glitching bridges = hiding underneath and then taking advantage of holes in programming to leave the bridge by going straight up instead of going around so ppl dont have a chance to react, yes, its called cheating, and so is having multiple accounts to spy on your enemies, or having someone get killed by a castle or fort so they can chat on irc or ventrilo/teamspeak/mumble to give away tactical information.

If i die in a fair fight, ok, i can live with that, but i cannot abide dying because someone exploits programing gaps to do things that were never intended. This is not the right topic for this, but glitching is something i feel strongly about, so sorry for the detour.


Anyways, back on topic: just like theotherviking, I was also handily killed by a conjurer yesterday after this update. Part of it was that balestra is now a broken skill and does not damage, and the other part was the positioning bug (which is why i loved balestra in the first placee) i stood on top of and ran through my opponent and i could not use spells or attack (and no, i was not dizzy, it just wouldnt work). Ive talked to a lot of warriors in my realm and they are all having the same issue.

Thanks for the input. I didn't know it.

About the topic: yes, what you say is true and really annoying. Maybe giving hammers and swords range 1 could help a little to prevent positional issues.

[Nightchill]

Originally Posted by skip86

1. You didn't read the post. I know that i can kill some mages and that some mages can kill me, it's fine. That's not the point. Try to think of Meteor, Lightning or Fireball having relative damage and not fixed. It's the same for us having balestra doing 8-10 damage: totally useless.

2. I was answering to Ponter. Anytime someone tries to have a constructive debate, you call it "bitching" ?

3. Glitching Bridges ? Do you mean hiding under pb to surprise and kill some of your mates ? I didn't know that was illegal. Is it more or less illegal than having multiple accounts in all realms for spam purpose ?

Regards.

1. neither of those spells have fixed damage (lightning's dot varies a lot, depends on who you cast)
2. you're just failing, it's not a constructive debate. no one can help you when you don't know how to play.
3. archmagusarcana replied on that one, in case you missed it:

Originally Posted by ArchmagusArcana

Glitching bridges = hiding underneath and then taking advantage of holes in programming to leave the bridge by going straight up instead of going around so ppl dont have a chance to react, yes, its called cheating

it's more illegal then having multiple accounts.

as for 210paul (umaril), let me give you a hint

Originally Posted by 210paul

After casting UM? (up to 500 mana) as well as base battle buffs (at least frenzy) take away the mana from Energy borrow, and you are left with very little, not likely to be enough for Onsl maybe just about spring.

energy borrow? it takes a warlock decent 2-3 spells to even drop the mana reserves so energy borrow l5 would be useful, and if you didn't onsl, spring, madness & frenzy (not necessarily in that order) until then you're plain stupid. it's no point to try and save some mana when confronting a warlock.

[DemonMonger]

Warlock = overpowered as always