There isn't much time left..

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by Godot

... MLK, yep he was killed for his belief that all people should be equal, I have no idea how that follows into Bobby Seal and the Black Panthers...

You have no idea?

They fought for the same cause, though they had different means...

I'm sure you know that though...

But sometimes it's the obvious that is over looked .

But regardless of their means they fought for the same thing, equal rights.

Originally Posted by Godot

... Unless the producder is trying to show contrast it demeans Kings message.

Yes, its about the contrast of their means, however, you are misguided to think that it "demeans" the message of MLK.

If anything it makes his message that much more powerful, for he died for what he believed in.

And in that video, he was the only one speaking calmly and without a violent persona, which cannot be said of Ali or the other African-American protesters (or even the African-American school children who act like an organized military group).

Originally Posted by Godot

... Ali was a professional athlete, he so abhorred violence that he refused to go to Viet Nam to fight.... and went to jail for it .

If I recall there were a lot of draft dodgers during the Vietnam war, and there was a reason.... the massive amount of dead Americans coming back. If I were Ali I would refuse too .

And remember... he is a "professional athlete" who got paid to beat the shit out of people. His "profession" was and still is violent.

Originally Posted by Godot

... Marx ,Lenin and Stalin seems like a bit of overkill...

It's important to note that I interjected Marx into this for two reasons: (1) The book 1984 is largely based on Marx's ideology, and (2) Lenin and Stalin both used a twisted Marxist ideology to create a totalitarian state with faint communist ideas.

That is Lenin and Stalin both used the verbiage of Marxism to compel the citizens to do horrible acts against their sisters, brothers, mothers and fathers. All in a belief that it would change things for the better...

Originally Posted by Godot

... none of the elected leadership in this country have ever called for class revolution on those scales...

You're right about the idea that none have called for a class revolution, but then the premise of the song, video and my brief essay were never about that...

It was first about the false consciousness paradox and second how we arrive to such a condition through indoctrination.

Originally Posted by Godot

... spun by an angry film maker with an agenda...

We all have an agenda, even you. As I quote you:

Originally Posted by Godot

I'm kind of old and actually saw many and participated in several; so I have a different perspective. I'll unwind this a bit out of order but since the video distorted most of it I'm sure that wont bother.

It just happens that your "agenda" is to share your perspective, or what you believe to be more true...

Originally Posted by Godot

...this video is a good example of why,its full; start to finish of misinformation.

You're 100% wrong to label this "misinformation" because if you are as old as you say you are then you are looking back without realizing the products they produced...

And because you look back you are tainted by the indoctrination you were given...

And even if you were able to see past that indoctrination and can connect the actions back then to the products of today, you still don't know what it means to be a byproduct of those products...

It's like the left over shell of what was a glorious thing, where innocence is no longer cherished and values have been replaced by dollar bills.

Thus old man your America is dying before your eyes and soon you will come to see the big surprise...

Originally Posted by Neil Young: Old Man

Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.
Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.

Old man look at my life,
Twenty four and theres so much more
Live alone in a paradise
That makes me think of two.

Love lost, such a cost,
Give me things that don't get lost.
Like a coin that wont get tossed
Rolling home to you.

Old man take a look at my life I'm a lot like you
I need someone to love me the whole day through
Ah, one look in my eyes and you can tell thats true.

Lullabies, look in your eyes,
Run around the same old town.
Doesn't mean that much to me
To mean that much to you.

Ive been first and last
Look at how the time goes past.
But I'm all alone at last.
Rolling home to you.

Old man take a look at my life I'm a lot like you
I need someone to love me the whole day through
Ah, one look in my eyes and you can tell thats true.

Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.
Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVC2cszdTao

Originally Posted by Skeeter Davis: End Of The World

Why does the sun go on shining
Why does the sea rush to shore
Don't they know it's the end of the world
'Cause you don't love me any more

Why do the birds go on singing
Why do the stars glow above
Don't they know it's the end of the world
It ended when I lost your love

I wake up in the morning and I wonder
Why every-thing's the same as it was
I can't understand, no, I can't understand
How life goes on the way it does

Why does my heart go on beating
Why do these eyes of mine cry
Don't they know it's the end of the world
It ended when you said goodbye

Why does my heart go on beating
Why do these eyes of mine cry
Don't they know it's the end of the world
It ended when you said goodbye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePRZA...eature=related