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09-18-2009, 02:06 AM
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possibly the stupidest 4 minutes I've ever wasted.
(not the music) the video made no sense, what was the message ? I dont see how JFK,King ,and Ali equate to Orwell or how any of that is related to the the smirking fool, or President Obama and what the hell did Bobby Seals movement have to do with any of it? Jamming together that many arcane references to some industrial noise doesn't make it deep,profound or prophetic. methinks it was compiled more for shock value than anything; which makes sense considering the artist (I use the term loosely). I'd have rather been rickrolled.
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09-18-2009, 03:48 AM
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Often as an American we tend to believe in the idea that everyone is created equal and has the same chance as anyone, regardless of sex or race, to the American dream. So when you see those images of protest it shows the opposite of what we are told as citizens. In that sense our authority is no different then Lenin or Stalin, both who used Marxist communism to make people side with their ideology - such as killing the bourgeois (lenin) and then eventually the proletariat (stalin), all in the name of creating change. Also another image of change is the church, so the pope too gets thrown in. How it relates to Obama is where you see the African-American children doing a march, chant in the classroom. The teacher that inspired those children to engage in that type of activity was seen as indoctrinating them into an a false ideology. It was actually funny how much of a stir it made during Obama's campaign for presidency. When I see those images I always connect them to these lines: Quote:
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Both images then, in the end, are about the celebration of violence and how they connect also to religious beliefs, of not just Islam but also Christianity, as well as Judaism... Which in the end connects to the song from this line: Quote:
The truth is that all these images point to the false consciousness paradox (the whole idea of 1984) that we live in that is brought out, very well in my opinion, from this video and song. And the false consciousness paradox is what we have been indoctrinated to believe that everything we were taught is real and good... That you should trust your authority figures because they always will hold your interests above their own; that science can solve every problem that man faces even though the industrialization of the products of science create pollution; that capitalism is the best economic system ever made even though its an inherent system of inequity (not to mention its need for war) ; and that there is a God, a God that needs your submission, just like those in authority, or he will punish you. Yet the only people in that whole video who were real and stood up to expose the lies that citizens are handed were killed... Those people of course were MLK and JFK (proving that Stalin and Lenin tactics, respectively, exist within America)... May they both rest in peace... Oh and did you notice where you see large crowds screaming, the scene out of 1984 and the protests images? All that anger poured out, well that is what happens when people who have been lied to finally come to know the truth... And that children is the future to come, but such protests, and even war, will only ensure the strangle hold the power-elite have on the citizens of the world. Quote:
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09-18-2009, 09:52 AM
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Fair points , somewhat erroneously applied but I realize you've been fed the
revisionist versions of those events , I'm kind of old and actually saw many and participated in several; so I have a different perspective. I'll unwind this a bit out of order but since the video distorted most of it I'm sure that wont bother. MLK, yep he was killed for his belief that all people should be equal, I have no idea how that follows into Bobby Seal and the Black Panthers ,the former was a peaceful resistance , the later an armed militant movement. Unless the producder is trying to show contrast it demeans Kings message. (an aside, Bobby Kennedy killed over this injustice not Jack) I'd have presented something showing the real hate that inspired those men to such extremes. Ali was a professional athlete, he so abhorred violence that he refused to go to Viet Nam to fight.... and went to jail for it . (and never complained or made excuses, he did what he believed and lived by it; admirable no matter what your sentiment on the war itself.) now I'm no political science expert but referencing Marx ,Lenin and Stalin seems like a bit of overkill , none of the elected leadership in this country have ever called for class revolution on those scales, the worst case that could be made would be against Ronald Reagan and his drive to subvert by deceit to a facist nationalism. Now dont get me wrong Hellbound ,I think its great that you are using your head for someting besides a hair farm( my pop used to say that  ) .My point is that the video seems slapped together incoherently and the parts that do make any sense were clipped out of context only to be spun by an angry film maker with an agenda , if he believed what he preached he would have used images of the holocaust museum shooter instead of the sick kid at VT for example. You make good points that people shouldnt believe everything they see or hear, this video is a good example of why,its full; start to finish of misinformation. anyhow, +1 to you, but still a thumbs down for the video itself .
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09-18-2009, 10:35 AM
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Why Hell Bound you were right! the end IS near! Two weeks till the end of my holidays
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09-18-2009, 11:13 AM
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They fought for the same cause, though they had different means... I'm sure you know that though... But sometimes it's the obvious that is over looked  .But regardless of their means they fought for the same thing, equal rights. Quote:
If anything it makes his message that much more powerful, for he died for what he believed in. And in that video, he was the only one speaking calmly and without a violent persona, which cannot be said of Ali or the other African-American protesters (or even the African-American school children who act like an organized military group). Quote:
.And remember... he is a "professional athlete" who got paid to beat the shit out of people. His "profession" was and still is violent. Quote:
That is Lenin and Stalin both used the verbiage of Marxism to compel the citizens to do horrible acts against their sisters, brothers, mothers and fathers. All in a belief that it would change things for the better... Quote:
It was first about the false consciousness paradox and second how we arrive to such a condition through indoctrination. Quote:
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And because you look back you are tainted by the indoctrination you were given... And even if you were able to see past that indoctrination and can connect the actions back then to the products of today, you still don't know what it means to be a byproduct of those products... It's like the left over shell of what was a glorious thing, where innocence is no longer cherished and values have been replaced by dollar bills. Thus old man your America is dying before your eyes and soon you will come to see the big surprise... Quote:
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09-18-2009, 03:06 PM
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King never preached hate. He didnt die for what he believed in, he died at the hands of a hater,believing in hate. Quote:
no one forced his opponents into the ring they went there for the same reason he did. Thats the difference. Quote:
1.why is it important to note some fiction of Orwells? 2.Putin and his ilk use capitalism to the same effect. Nothing has changed there except who gets paid. Quote:
real consciousness ? you perhaps ? is this a comedy thread? Quote:
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diseminate that "indoctrination" in detail and accurately. No please dont it wasnt an invitation..... I'm starting to think you aren't joking. Quote:
I implore you sir; get back on the meds. soon. Quote:
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09-18-2009, 04:58 PM
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Don't generally like getting into 2nd year Sociology projects, but I did what was asked.
I Watched the video with no sound, as this would have (by design) just distracted me from the story in the images. Music videos are a perfect cover for dual messages as they generally have a hypnotic effect on sections of the brain, due to the beat of the music....add repetative lyrics and you get a nice little link to the subconcious for a visual message. Just your standard Republican advertising that having a black man running america will be the same as a comunist state (the Health bill has been descibed as such - Althou imo its about time america got some social responsibility), causing the white to become a poor underclass to a new black ruling elite. Some of the people i admit i did not recognise, not being an American myself, but most of the repeated themes were easy to follow. - ( this is an open for me being a product to some degree of sumin or other.....well yep i am, as we all are - it's what make society cohesive, and is just a nessesary extention of the family group...) Have to say, it was also predictable. After the initial lead in, i knew it would end with the shooting. JFK is such a strong image for 'good' in the american psych. Other countries it could have been jesus and the crusifiction. The point would be the same...what come between these two images is the 'BAD' stuff. A bit over done i think. But then I'm not the target audience. |
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09-18-2009, 08:53 PM
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The fight for supremacy is a fight for equality... It's funny how you think there is a difference.... Quote:
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He dodged the draft and his profession was and still is violent. Quote:
Because if you did you would have seen that there was clips from the movie 1984 in that video. Quote:
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Old man your vision of history is paved in lullabies that romanticize America... But you will come to know the truth about America... And when you do, I cannot wait to feel the horror pour out of you... Indeed, broken souls like you will become very special when the time comes.... I'm glade we had this talk, for if nothing else to be able to mark you... Muahahah!
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09-19-2009, 12:26 AM
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hahaha, you really are a laugh riot.
I get it now , it was a troll post , has to be , nobody could be as naive and foolish as you are pretending to be.
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