Texas to rewrite United States history with autocrat propaganda

[backe]

Ahhh, Texas...

Its hard not to love a state that executes the mentally handicapped. Not to mention, its residents elected this guy as their governor...twice!




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Originally Posted by WhateverUSMC

This is the main problem. One state shouldn't be capable of directing other states to the bathroom of a 7/11, let alone imposing their beliefs on others.

+1 interwebs for you!

[Llayne]

I wish we would have held them to their word when they said they were going to secede.

Please Texas?

[veluchami]

Originally Posted by Pizdzius

btw. I'm for Monarchy. This shit was good in Medieval Poland :P yay.

You would make a good Texan j/k

[DragoonEnNoir]

Originally Posted by Henri_Freundlich

Religion-heavy frameworks don't give families an option to choose whether to be religious or not. Children and families would most likely be isolated from other people if they aren't religious but live in a religion-heavy context.

Peer pressure, bullying, and so on.

In discussing history, it isn't a question of whether the content is 'religion-heavy' or not. The question is; what actually happened and why in any given time period.

In looking at events pre-modern era, there is an attempt to remove 'religious' elements from them. This is anachronistic. If we're looking at a period in time when people lived much more closely with their faith, then to understand THEM, we also need to look at their faith.

We can't understand the past if we remove elements we are uncomfortable with. Both the attempt to remove religion from history and the attempt to make it entirely faith based are misguided.

[DragoonEnNoir]

Originally Posted by Kaliek

The irony is that this state board of education is changing things to preach the wonders of the free market before going to cash their paychecks signed by the government.

Say no to socialism!

Neither the Free Market nor Socialism have been an answer to man's aspirations for equality, justice or peace though.

Every socio-economic system we have ever created has been flawed.


I think it's because they all involve that flawed parasitic organism... "mankind".

[Vythica]

Originally Posted by DragoonEnNoir

In discussing history, it isn't a question of whether the content is 'religion-heavy' or not. The question is; what actually happened and why in any given time period.

In looking at events pre-modern era, there is an attempt to remove 'religious' elements from them. This is anachronistic. If we're looking at a period in time when people lived much more closely with their faith, then to understand THEM, we also need to look at their faith.

We can't understand the past if we remove elements we are uncomfortable with. Both the attempt to remove religion from history and the attempt to make it entirely faith based are misguided.

You're absolutely right about how religion should be presented in an historical context. The problem is it isn't done that way.

It's done in more like a "God is an accompanying lesson" to the history as opposed to a "this is a people, these were their beliefs" sort of fashion. The people that wrote the founding documents of this country were "heavily influenced by their faith" totally leaving out men like John Locke and Thomas Jefferson. It's just fucking ridiculous to be perfectly honest.

[DragoonEnNoir]

Originally Posted by Vythica

You're absolutely right about how religion should be presented in an historical context. The problem is it isn't done that way.

It's done in more like a "God is an accompanying lesson" to the history as opposed to a "this is a people, these were their beliefs" sort of fashion. The people that wrote the founding documents of this country were "heavily influenced by their faith" totally leaving out men like John Locke and Thomas Jefferson. It's just fucking ridiculous to be perfectly honest.

I've gotta ask though; are you being fair to both sides in this?

Is it really "God is an accompanying lesson", or is that a preconception or stereotype of the position of Christian conservatives?

I think it's interesting that while Jefferson was not a 'Christian' (in the traditional sense), he was 'heavily influenced by his faith'. I think his creation of his own version of the Bible would be a testament to that. To me, this points to just how much greater the role of faith/belief was in most people's lives in centuries past.

As to Locke, I'm more a fan of Rousseau myself... and I'm not talking about the characters from Lost.

[Vythica]

My apologies, there was a typo that changed the context of what I was talking about. Amend that to "God AS an accompanying lesson."

Also what I meant was that instead of saying "these men were heavily influenced by their beliefs" it is turned into "the US was founded on these beliefs". Also, men like John Locke and Thomas Jefferson are being removed and having their roles played down to suit the conservative ideology.

[DragoonEnNoir]

Originally Posted by Vythica

My apologies, there was a typo that changed the context of what I was talking about. Amend that to "God AS an accompanying lesson."

Also what I meant was that instead of saying "these men were heavily influenced by their beliefs" it is turned into "the US was founded on these beliefs". Also, men like John Locke and Thomas Jefferson are being removed and having their roles played down to suit the conservative ideology.

I think this is where a 'good history teacher' needs to come in.

All history is to some degree biased. A 'good' teacher can use this to bring out interest, engagement... and sometimes righteous anger in their students. All excellent fo breaking people out of their apathy

There is a 'liberal ideology' as well though, and I would critique both ends of this spectrum. The idea that faith was a purely negative or absent element in the founding of America is also false.


Besides that though... where did the idea that something taught in school will change student thinking come from? This is true only if parents are silent at home. We cannot blame society and schools if it is WE who have have given up all role in our children's education. Parents should be discussing religion, race, poverty, politics and other 'touchy' matters with their children.

This will help them see how human, messed up and fallible WE are huahahahaha.