balance Update 2011 Stage 1 - Summary

chilko · 07-19-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by _Enio_

He just asked if someone could summarize the 150 pages thread, a time consuming work that has to be done to allow them to effectively take the opinions of the userbase into account.
Since lots of users been asking if theres something they could help NGD with development thats a reasonable request. Discussing balance here wont help at all though

exactly, if you guys want to help us, processing this information is a great help.

Torcida · 07-19-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chilko

exactly, if you guys want to help us, processing this information is a great help.

Its so much easier to do that by just creating a Poll

Phlue4 · 07-19-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Torcida

Its so much easier to do that by just creating a Poll

yeah a poll would be a nice idea...

Seher · 07-19-2011, 12:57 PM

Just saying... I don't think your summary is very neutral :P

(I tried to include every opinion no matter how dumb I find them ^^ I could have missed some points though, it was very late)

bois · 07-19-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HidraA

That i wrote in yelow is how ppl see in that 2346725 pages this changes....
and because was bias based ..i cant nothing more...also it was imposible make a conclusion from that random posts...to be a valid sollution.

There were hidden gems in that thread. To be human is to be biased, period. If you are totally unbiased I applaud you however, we both know that is far from the truth. Get over it and stop complaining. It is counter productive. There are valid conclusions to be arrived at from that thread. Several changes NGD suggested have a clear consensus with the community. Many concerns are valid.

NGD don't interact you complain, they interact you complain, they ask for help you complain. People offer opinions you complain. What do you want?

Personally I applaud NGD for the initiative. Help them to help you and stop complaining which is a bias in itself.

HidraA · 07-19-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bois

There were hidden gems in that thread. To be human is to be biased, period. If you are totally unbiased I applaud you however, we both know that is far from the truth. Get over it and stop complaining. It is counter productive. There are valid conclusions to be arrived at from that thread. Several changes NGD suggested have a clear consensus with the community. Many concerns are valid.

NGD don't interact you complain, they interact you complain, they ask for help you complain. People offer opinions you complain. What do you want?

Personally I applaud NGD for the initiative. Help them to help you and stop complaining which is a bias in itself.

The only complaint that i see it's that you complaint about my post.
Invalidating a person opinion using this act...no need more comment.

chilko · 07-19-2011, 01:21 PM

this is why I wanted you guys to compile the summary. Not to be biased, try to add all of the feedback into the summary.

Zas_ · 07-19-2011, 01:41 PM

Summary:

- barbarians and marksmen are over the top atm
- hunters have no well defined role (=> if support, almost no support spells, if defensive not enough defense, if offensive not enough damage)
- warlocks suffer mostly from constant BoW by army of marksmen
- almost all want confuse duration reduced (or nerfed somehow, being a single conjurer in a group = maximal frustration)
- everyone want shorter CC effects
- everyone is asking for more tactical gameplay without too much random

About your propositions:
- removing damage from BoW seems ok for all (but then Divine Intervention is more powerful, so you increase power of a class considered balanced)
- most disagree with making Ambush melee-only (even if instant)
- most disagree with giving slow to barbarians
- most disagree with replacing knock by another slow for mages
- none of other propositions seems to be well-accepted but the BoW change

Dupa_z_Zasady · 07-19-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Zas_

Summary:

[cut, original post]

- none of other propositions seems to be well-accepted but the BoW change

This is the summary I accept and support. Whole post, I cut only to spare space.

Seher · 07-19-2011, 01:33 PM

Edited my post. Some more explanations, better readability.

Did I forget some posts? I guess no one wants to go through that whole thread again to check :P It should be more or less complete, though.

07-19-2011, 12:57 PM	#4
Seher Count Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,026	Just saying... I don't think your summary is very neutral :P (I tried to include every opinion no matter how dumb I find them ^^ I could have missed some points though, it was very late) __________________ Winning a fight doesn't make you a good player, having fun losing one does. DISCORD!

07-19-2011, 01:41 PM	#8
Zas_ Count Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: France Posts: 1,024	Summary: - barbarians and marksmen are over the top atm - hunters have no well defined role (=> if support, almost no support spells, if defensive not enough defense, if offensive not enough damage) - warlocks suffer mostly from constant BoW by army of marksmen - almost all want confuse duration reduced (or nerfed somehow, being a single conjurer in a group = maximal frustration) - everyone want shorter CC effects - everyone is asking for more tactical gameplay without too much random About your propositions: - removing damage from BoW seems ok for all (but then Divine Intervention is more powerful, so you increase power of a class considered balanced) - most disagree with making Ambush melee-only (even if instant) - most disagree with giving slow to barbarians - most disagree with replacing knock by another slow for mages - none of other propositions seems to be well-accepted but the BoW change __________________ Annavilya / War-Luck (Haven)

07-19-2011, 01:33 PM	#10
Seher Count Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,026	Edited my post. Some more explanations, better readability. Did I forget some posts? I guess no one wants to go through that whole thread again to check :P It should be more or less complete, though. __________________ Winning a fight doesn't make you a good player, having fun losing one does. DISCORD!

07-19-2011, 01:21 PM	#7
chilko NGD·Studios Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 892	this is why I wanted you guys to compile the summary. Not to be biased, try to add all of the feedback into the summary.