Shut down Realm Population Bonuses on Haven

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Originally Posted by Bunneh

Whats so epic about a noob? Really, i don´t know why you give this guy the time...

Its fun reading what retarded shit he will post next, i switch to RO forums for my daily laugh

[fotomay]

yea, Alsius has had the numerical advantage for some months now.

the thing i find odd about trying to use realm xp bonus to rebalance realm numbers is that it is always a lag effect. it takes a few months for new players to get to 60, yet the xp rebalance is done on numbers right now. basically, you will never have a really close balance in realm numbers. this isn't necessarily bad. it can be fun fighting 15 vs 25 (50-70% numbers?).

but imho, what harms the game is when the balance is 7 vs 15 (<50% numbers) and consistently that way. (eg: samal). i feel quite a few players give up and just never come back.

[Krungle]

"My own observations" means I have eyes. I can see how large the group of reds were standing in front of Imp a half a day ago and I can see the size of the group of blues countering them. Observation, using one's own eyes, is the best way to know what is going on. Try it sometime. It is called "seeing is believing" and has been the scientific standard for centuries. Ignis currently has the numerical advantage in RvR. This is fact. This is why the bonuses must end at least for awhile.

[_Kharbon_]

Originally Posted by Krungle

"My own observations" means I have eyes. I can see how large the group of reds were standing in front of Imp a half a day ago and I can see the size of the group of blues countering them. Observation, using one's own eyes, is the best way to know what is going on. Try it sometime. It is called "seeing is believing" and has been the scientific standard for centuries. Ignis currently has the numerical advantage in RvR. This is fact. This is why the bonuses must end at least for awhile.

I can't believe, how much nonsense you can produce in one paragraph.

Your eyes are a truly great thing, they work and might be able to capture a considerable amount of things going on on your monitor.

However.

Your monitor most certainly doesn't capture all of the players currently online. You simply can't see the few players grinding, others hunting, some strolling about the inner realm. That's the first flaw.

Secondly, your eyes (however awesome they are) can't capture different timezones. You can't see what's happening 24h a day.

If your spectacular eyes could do this, you might come to the same conclusion as the server: Alsius is currently the most populated realm.

Observation, using one's own eyes, is the best way to know what is going on. Try it sometime. It is called "seeing is believing" and has been the scientific standard for centuries.

I actually lauged a bit here.
Observation was taken as the "scientific standard" in the fifteenth century. Today, observation just covers the very basics proof of a change, and sometimes not even that. Unless you are doing one of those investigations, whether flowers grow towards light or not (yay, primary school science). There the method of observation actually works in the basics (but still doesn't show you why that happens :P).
Believe me, most science today simply cannot use observation, since many interesting things cannot be seen.
By your logic, scientist should just scap all microscopes and measuring devices, and just look at a lump of plutonium, hoping to see it killing them.


Now, your scientific "observations" are in direct dispute with the empirical data from server (who doesn't have eyes, but still does "science" btw :O), and arguing, that your eyes can provide more valid evidence than a machine designed to measure stuff, is simply not going to get you anywhere.

I'm very interested in your next post though, keep it up.

[badassmaster]

Krungle, I'm from Alsius, and even I think you're full of shit. Sorry, bro.

[Krungle]

Originally Posted by _Kharbon_

Now, your scientific "observations" are in direct dispute with the empirical data from server (who doesn't have eyes, but still does "science" btw :O), and arguing, that your eyes can provide more valid evidence than a machine designed to measure stuff, is simply not going to get you anywhere.

Statistics is based on the values measured, how they are measured and how they are computed from said measurements. Although I still seriously doubt exp population bonuses are calculated and given without human input, I do know that NGD does has tools to measure populations and segments there of. However, are they calculating 0-60, 30-60, 40-60? Not only that, are they calculating individual characters that log on or accounts? In some cases this could give a count of six rather than one. My point being that a single account can field only a single character in any RvR-type action at one time (or should only be able to: 1 human player per game character). This might give an advantage to the realm the account is attached to but that advantage is not numerical.

Unless I see official word on how Realm Population is calculated, I cannot assume it is either by account or by character, but it is something both NGD and GS should take a look at. Nor can I assume that level distribution is any single range nor that said range does not change for some reason, or none.

All I do know is what I see on the battlefield and what I see is that during peak server hours (the times when the most people are logged on), Ignis is the most populated realm on the server at the fort wars. I also see lots of new names in both Ignis and Syrtis but mostly the same names in Goats at the wars (many of the newer names admit they are alts typically with WM mains on the Goat side).

I do want a fair and balanced game or I would not have posted this. I think both NGD and GS should take a look at active *account* numbers (not character numbers) in the range of 45-60 or even 50-60 range and make a review of population bonuses accordingly. None of us players know those numbers, but NGD does and GS can find out. Things are not way out of balance at the moment but they are at a tipping point.

[GrimNightfall]

Originally Posted by Krungle

All I do know is what I see on the battlefield and what I see is that during peak server hours (the times when the most people are logged on), Ignis is the most populated realm on the server at the fort wars. I also see lots of new names in both Ignis and Syrtis but mostly the same names in Goats at the wars (many of the newer names admit they are alts typically with WM mains on the Goat side).

First off, Ignis is NOT the most populated realm at peak times. Alsius has this title at the moment, and they have had this title since the game turned into CoR.
And about the "new names in Ignis and Syrtis", most of them are (who would have guessed it) NEW PLAYERS!
But sadly a couple of new level 40 players won't be enough to stop the giant goat zerg that you don't think exists.

Originally Posted by Krungle

I do want a fair and balanced game or I would not have posted this. I think both NGD and GS should take a look at active *account* numbers (not character numbers) in the range of 45-60 or even 50-60 range and make a review of population bonuses accordingly. None of us players know those numbers, but NGD does and GS can find out. Things are not way out of balance at the moment but they are at a tipping point.

Why the hell do you want realm bonuses removed so badly? So goats can get more and more new players? Please, stop posting. You are embarrassing yourself.

----Inb4 Krungle calls me "Grimtroll" because I disagree with him yet again.

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Originally Posted by Krungle

im so dumb my eyes dont work

Alsius are the most populated server on haven at this moment in time. Its a fact!

[errei]

looool,
who the hell is krungle? i want to know this guy IRL!!!

[_Kharbon_]

Originally Posted by Krungle

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Well, since you only answered a part of my post, I take it you agree with me on the rest.
First of all, statistics and scientific methodology aren't the same thing. Anyway, visual estimation (which you were talking about before) is not used in statistics anyway. Therefore you are talking about different matter, not following the previous arguments.
I agree on the fact, that statistics can be misinterpreting real data in some cases, but in general it does work well. We don't have enough information about how exactly the population in RO is calculated, but since it is safe to assume that the same method is used for all three realms, the result is fair (no unfair bias towards any realm)
IE. people from all realms log several alts- it's not the case that only Ignis players use several characters, and Syrtis single one, for example.

Levels are considered in the calculation, as someone previously mentioned. That shouldn't play a huge role - again, same calculation is used for the three realms.

The advantage of Alsius is numerical (account based), that is especially noticeable during European morning times. In the evenings (server peak time) all three realms have imo similar populations. In overall, statistics say that Alsius prevails.
There are also several other valid reasons and arguments, which are written in previous posts in this thread, and I won't repeat them.

NGD are reviewing and adjusting the bonuses over time. They simply don't use man power for this (since there is no need for doing so), but instead let the system to preform adjustments automaticaly.

You want a fair and balanced game? Then I'm afraid, that MMORPGs aren't for you. There will always be bias in some aspect of the game, not only population, but class (spell) differences, equipment etc.
Perfect balance would be achieved only if we had one class, no level differences, same setups, no choice of gear and same amount of people in two realms (third one could create a bias). I don't think anyone would enjoy such game, but if you're really, bomberman does have such features, and is a great game.

You say that the game is on a "tipping point"? Well, I don't know when you joined regnum, but Haven was in way worse states than now. Since NGD does not want to control the influx of people into different realms, I'm afraid that the server will continue to demonstrate those fluctuations, until the base population of all three realms will be large enough to minimize the impact of difference in numbers.

As Linuxmage stated, the realm bonuses do not work. I tested that and can confirm. Ignis doesn't get any xp nor gold bonus. I tried on low lvl and high lvl characters. Therefore, this whole thread is next to pointless.