Why does everyone hates hunters?

LuthienNenharma · 03-03-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by misaccc

Yea luthi has multiple personalities.....the awesome, cute conjurer and the beautiful warlock :P

yes, I play defensive and offensive chars

I like teasing.

Ertial · 03-03-2008, 04:54 PM

So some people want to take all firepower we have? We can try that. If some level 50 hunter will go to the WZ (at amun) with a level 30 pet and all points in long or short bow flushed down the toilet and all spells in evasion and tricks at level three , you'll see how great it is too fight a hunter after your ideas are applied. When talking about hunters you forget things you certainly don't when you're talking about your own class. Level 5 spells in short or long bow(or scouting) cost a lot of points. The hunter has probably a lower defence so your tons of damage spells will certainly hit hard.
And don't tell me that an offensive class like a marksman(who also has evasion available) is allowed to hit high(1000, 600, 800, 30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30), but defensive classes aren't allowed to hit a bit hard, unless they are willing to sacrifice things the offensive classes do have.

Hell_bound · 03-03-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yest

So some people want to take all firepower we have... When talking about hunters you forget things you certainly don't when you're talking about your own class.

You know Yest you just summed up the argument of 99.9% those that whine about imbalance. None look at the correlated connections of game mechanics that this game depends on; they just see it from their own narrow perspective - the focus of me, me, me (wha, wha, wha).

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Originally Posted by Yest

And don't tell me that an offensive class like a marksman is allowed to hit high, but defensive classes aren't allowed to hit a bit hard, unless they are willing to sacrifice things the offensive classes do have.

Yest these people will say anything to justify their own view; whether right, wrong, based on reality or not. Their all twats in my opinion

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But in the end what can really be said is that all these twats seems to only look at the issues from a one-on-one fighting perspective and not that of a game based on group dynamics.

BlooD · 03-03-2008, 05:48 PM

Well now amun is on.

Anyone wants to do some test?

I need an archer, a knigth and a conjurer from the same realm and some offensive classes from other realms.

Just say when you can do it.

fluffy_muffin · 03-03-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BlooD

Well now amun is on.

Anyone wants to do some test?

I need an archer, a knigth and a conjurer from the same realm and some offensive classes from other realms.

Just say when you can do it.

I have time. I will be on Amun for 30 min.

CumeriTarenes · 03-03-2008, 06:38 PM

why compare marks and hunter?

Anybody tried to setup a hunter with maxed pets, maxed bow and maxed evasion?
It can be as deadly as a marks with maxed bow, maxed arrow mastery and maxed evasion.

To the evasion thing of archers: Archers has the highest evade chance of all classes. That is a fact and is how it is intended to be.
And to the evasion tree, that share hunters and marks: the evasion tree is not the only defense of hunters, they are fast, they can go invisible (even if camu is changed to be a offensive tactic now) and they can track enemies. That is quite a lot more defense than marks have (don't come and tell that marks have stratecic position, I know that)

When you look to other classes you'll see that the subclasses share a lot of defensive spells too. There is energy barrier or caution, just to name some.

In my humble opinion there are no realy overpowered classes. Sure, there are some minor things that need to be work on but you won't change anything by just posting a new thread about someone beeing overwowered every day.
And talking about hunters...well, a good indicator for success are RP, and hunters are not very well rewarded with it...means they don't kill so much than other classes. On the other hand they are not so much killed due to their defence. That is the point that annoys people...not getting RP for hunters, because they run away. Actually there are several ways to prevent a hunter from running. Even if they can escape, be satisfied. Don't leech only for RP.

Also I don't like the term deffensive class. I prefer to call it supportive class.
A hunter supports his realm mates with tracking tasks, stalker, chasing enemies that run away and others. Every "defensive" class is made to support the offensive classes. Of course there are other ways of playing a class, but that is how it is indended to be in my opinion.

You are a realm, not a single person. When you think about that it doesn't matter so much, that one class has maybe a bit more power than another...every realm has that "overpowered" class. When you whine about an other class you show how egositic you are. You show, that you didn't get that regnum is a teamplay in the first line and not a single player game.

I don't hate only hunters...I hate all classes that can kill me...and everyone that just killed me...yeah, I do. But I don't go to forum and whine about it, I try to improve my gameplay and I try to understand how others classes play.

BlooD · 03-03-2008, 07:01 PM

If anyone wants to test things we can do it this nigth.

And please, i dont care about the setup you use, i just want to prove something.

With evasion 19 and acrobatic, elude, evasion passive, dodge and evasive you cant be killed in less than 30 seconds.

You can kill me only with normal attacks in that time.

I dont care how much people you think uses this setup, i dont care if you think its useful or not.

Just want to show this, we tested it and its overpowered.

ljrossi · 03-03-2008, 06:15 PM

I like hunters !

Is very easy to kill them , just frozen or what ever so that the hunter cant move or take defensives skills.

Usually afterwards the hunter will die easy, it has not much life .

Im not shame of running, I hate to leave my partners alone, and only do it when they double us on players enemies. Thats the worste part to be a hunter.

And of course level from 40 to 50 can kill hunters , if they stay on range, thats why we run and try to take advantege of our speeds.

Julius

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03-03-2008, 04:54 PM	#2
Ertial Master Join Date: May 2007 Location: Friesland, the Netherlands Posts: 298	So some people want to take all firepower we have? We can try that. If some level 50 hunter will go to the WZ (at amun) with a level 30 pet and all points in long or short bow flushed down the toilet and all spells in evasion and tricks at level three , you'll see how great it is too fight a hunter after your ideas are applied. When talking about hunters you forget things you certainly don't when you're talking about your own class. Level 5 spells in short or long bow(or scouting) cost a lot of points. The hunter has probably a lower defence so your tons of damage spells will certainly hit hard. And don't tell me that an offensive class like a marksman(who also has evasion available) is allowed to hit high(1000, 600, 800, 30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30), but defensive classes aren't allowed to hit a bit hard, unless they are willing to sacrifice things the offensive classes do have. __________________ Ubuntu, Linux for human beings hunter Ertial Rye Inquisition!

03-03-2008, 06:38 PM	#6
CumeriTarenes Baron Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 702	why compare marks and hunter? Anybody tried to setup a hunter with maxed pets, maxed bow and maxed evasion? It can be as deadly as a marks with maxed bow, maxed arrow mastery and maxed evasion. To the evasion thing of archers: Archers has the highest evade chance of all classes. That is a fact and is how it is intended to be. And to the evasion tree, that share hunters and marks: the evasion tree is not the only defense of hunters, they are fast, they can go invisible (even if camu is changed to be a offensive tactic now) and they can track enemies. That is quite a lot more defense than marks have (don't come and tell that marks have stratecic position, I know that) When you look to other classes you'll see that the subclasses share a lot of defensive spells too. There is energy barrier or caution, just to name some. In my humble opinion there are no realy overpowered classes. Sure, there are some minor things that need to be work on but you won't change anything by just posting a new thread about someone beeing overwowered every day. And talking about hunters...well, a good indicator for success are RP, and hunters are not very well rewarded with it...means they don't kill so much than other classes. On the other hand they are not so much killed due to their defence. That is the point that annoys people...not getting RP for hunters, because they run away. Actually there are several ways to prevent a hunter from running. Even if they can escape, be satisfied. Don't leech only for RP. Also I don't like the term deffensive class. I prefer to call it supportive class. A hunter supports his realm mates with tracking tasks, stalker, chasing enemies that run away and others. Every "defensive" class is made to support the offensive classes. Of course there are other ways of playing a class, but that is how it is indended to be in my opinion. You are a realm, not a single person. When you think about that it doesn't matter so much, that one class has maybe a bit more power than another...every realm has that "overpowered" class. When you whine about an other class you show how egositic you are. You show, that you didn't get that regnum is a teamplay in the first line and not a single player game. I don't hate only hunters...I hate all classes that can kill me...and everyone that just killed me...yeah, I do. But I don't go to forum and whine about it, I try to improve my gameplay and I try to understand how others classes play. __________________ dwarfen sniper pts Cumeri Tarenes and Hunti

03-03-2008, 06:15 PM	#8
ljrossi Count Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,260	I like hunters ! Is very easy to kill them , just frozen or what ever so that the hunter cant move or take defensives skills. Usually afterwards the hunter will die easy, it has not much life . Im not shame of running, I hate to leave my partners alone, and only do it when they double us on players enemies. Thats the worste part to be a hunter. And of course level from 40 to 50 can kill hunters , if they stay on range, thats why we run and try to take advantege of our speeds. Julius __________________ WWW.IMPERIOSYRTIS.COM Julius 60 - Clan Fuego de Fenix

03-03-2008, 05:48 PM	#4
BlooD Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,145	Well now amun is on. Anyone wants to do some test? I need an archer, a knigth and a conjurer from the same realm and some offensive classes from other realms. Just say when you can do it.

03-03-2008, 07:01 PM	#7
BlooD Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,145	If anyone wants to test things we can do it this nigth. And please, i dont care about the setup you use, i just want to prove something. With evasion 19 and acrobatic, elude, evasion passive, dodge and evasive you cant be killed in less than 30 seconds. You can kill me only with normal attacks in that time. I dont care how much people you think uses this setup, i dont care if you think its useful or not. Just want to show this, we tested it and its overpowered.