Retaliation - Page 4

UmarilsStillHere · 07-18-2008, 08:01 PM

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No way.
Shield bash: 13 seconds, 30 cooldown (knight only, 5 i guess?)
Jaw breaker: 15 seconds, 25 cooldown (blunt, 5? i see few people useing blunt least of all knights)
Howl: Ranged, 15 seconds, 60 cooldown.(barbs only 5?)

so yeah knights realisticly have 1

EDIT: how did we get to this thaugh this was about retaliation, way off topic, =/ oh well

Valorius · 07-18-2008, 08:20 PM

The new retaliation seems pretty damn worthless to me if it gets wasted on an evade.

UmarilsStillHere · 07-18-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Valorius

The new retaliation seems pretty damn worthless to me if it gets wasted on an evade.

thats the risk you take with almost any power it could allways be wasted on evade/block/resist

Miriya_PS · 07-18-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Valorius

The new retaliation seems pretty damn worthless to me if it gets wasted on an evade.

I thought so too, but I realized (after Ponter's post) that Retaliation is not an defensive spell. Retaliation is a damage spell, and it should have the chance to be evaded, even if the Evade Chance depend on the archer.

When the archer is attack by a non-damage spell, I had my doubts but I guess it is ok the way it is now. I guess an enemy should have the chance to cancel/prevent any spell, if he is smart enough. Because, lets face it, a lot of people play on automatic pilot and use the same spells without thinking what the enemy is doing.

_dracus_ · 07-18-2008, 10:26 PM

Warriors need to be at melee range to cancel retaliation. It means they already took dmg. That's all. At least there is no way for a barb not to take dmg.

Valorius · 07-19-2008, 07:57 AM

Shrug, it seems pretty useless to me if an evade triggers the spell. My opinion remains unchanged.

UmarilsStillHere · 07-19-2008, 05:10 PM

if it wasnt used up on evade it would be a cert hit spell (just delayed reaction?) almost every spell has to deal with the chance of being evaded so its only fair that so should this one

Angelwinged_Devil · 07-24-2008, 04:56 PM

ok, I need a clarification, does retaliation wear off after the first spell too? or only attack?
what's the difference between the "Bugged" one and the fixed one?

Tyr · 07-24-2008, 05:00 PM

Any spell or attack that hits or that is evaded and it does not matter is the spell is a 0 damage spell retaliation will be removed. The bugged version would only end if you were hit by a normal attack or the 15 seconds ended. You could return damage from spells for 15 seconds no matter how many it returned damage for.

07-18-2008, 10:26 PM	#35
_dracus_ Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toulouse Posts: 1,335	Warriors need to be at melee range to cancel retaliation. It means they already took dmg. That's all. At least there is no way for a barb not to take dmg. __________________ « Thanks all, you are right I'm great with the barbarian ... for killing mobs. » -- Athena Stillwater

07-19-2008, 05:10 PM	#37
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	if it wasnt used up on evade it would be a cert hit spell (just delayed reaction?) almost every spell has to deal with the chance of being evaded so its only fair that so should this one __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

07-24-2008, 05:00 PM	#39
Tyr Master Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 503	Any spell or attack that hits or that is evaded and it does not matter is the spell is a 0 damage spell retaliation will be removed. The bugged version would only end if you were hit by a normal attack or the 15 seconds ended. You could return damage from spells for 15 seconds no matter how many it returned damage for. __________________ Tyr - Conjurer \| Lasher - Hunter \| Eoin - Marksman \|Woden - Barbarian Lodur - Warlock \| Vayu - Knight Organized Confusion

07-18-2008, 08:20 PM	#32
Valorius Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,994	The new retaliation seems pretty damn worthless to me if it gets wasted on an evade.

07-19-2008, 07:57 AM	#36
Valorius Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,994	Shrug, it seems pretty useless to me if an evade triggers the spell. My opinion remains unchanged.

07-24-2008, 04:56 PM	#38
Angelwinged_Devil Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under your skin Posts: 1337 Posts: 2,490	ok, I need a clarification, does retaliation wear off after the first spell too? or only attack? what's the difference between the "Bugged" one and the fixed one?