Retaliation

[Vroek]

Seriously, your fix for retaliation???
It now works for both normal hits and spells, are you out of your mind?
15 sec cooldown... do you have any balance team testing this stuff at all?
very good

[BlooD]

Its supposed to be canceled after the first attack.

Sc barbs doesnt like it.... also i think if you evade the attack retalation fades too.

[UmarilsStillHere]

theres a balance team =)

but im starting to think that "balance team" means they walk a tightrope for NGD's amusement allday...

[Vroek]

Originally Posted by BlooD

Its supposed to be canceled after the first attack.

Sc barbs doesnt like it.... also i think if you evade the attack retalation fades too.

Well try to stop a hunter only by using feint or defening roar
good luck!

edit:
im off to initiation island to buy low level weapond
this is fucking rediculess!

[BlooD]

Originally Posted by Vroek

Well try to stop a hunter only by using feint or defening roar
good luck!

edit:
im off to initiation island to buy low level weapond
this is fucking rediculess!

Well i foresee people complaining because everyone uses useless skills when he cast retalation.

Now finally your useless skills of the 2-hands tree will be for something.

I agree with raising the cooldown, but only using the proper skill when he uses retalation all is solved.

[Vroek]

Originally Posted by BlooD

Well i foresee people complaining because everyone uses useless skills when he cast retalation.

Now finally your useless skills of the 2-hands tree will be for something.

I agree with raising the cooldown, but only using the proper skill when he uses retalation all is solved.

Unfortunately most of the spells on 2h have weapon damage 100%
or a gruesome casting time so probably not.

As for it usefulness...
Its not hard to cast it when you se a warlocks staff glow is it?
Id say its a good chance its big spell! (Seems very cheap to me)

Every archer knows after rib breaker or balestra comes a strong attack from warriors, you think there is time to cancel when the archer hit his retaliation button? I dont.
Even if you manage the archer have yet an other spell that can get him out of a tight spot.

I simply find it very hard to justify this spell
in the past maybe when archers were considerably weaker sure but not now.
I foresee a lot of frustration over this spell, simply because its so damn lame!
Sure you can counter it - sometimes - the rest of the time it will beat you up.
Especially barbarians and warlocks will receive severe punishment.

The effect if a few archers using retaliation as protection to area attacks
the first one to hit will be sorry, this is the only use that can be justified in my opinion!

Longer cooldown? Yeah at least 40 sec
Dealing with it once or twice fine i think we can live with that
but the current state it is ridicules

[zero-ena]

Hi;

retaliation has been fixed and now is working just as it should by description. Any balance issue should be addressed to the Development > Balance Forum.

Regards, Zeroena.

[theotherhiveking]

Originally Posted by zeroena

Hi;

retaliation has been fixed and now is working just as it should by description. Any balance issue should be addressed to the Development > Balance Forum.

Regards, Zeroena.

theres no Development > Balance Forum :S

[Tyr]

Originally Posted by Vroek

Unfortunately most of the spells on 2h have weapon damage 100% or a gruesome casting time so probably not.

There is at least 6 spells that have 0 damage between Tactics, Warcries, and Two Handed Mastery. 7 if you add trip as it has low damage compared to most spells for that class.

Originally Posted by Vroek

Its not hard to cast it when you se a warlocks staff glow is it?
Id say its a good chance its big spell! (Seems very cheap to me)

Change your tactics is all that is required here nothing more.

Originally Posted by Vroek

Every archer knows after rib breaker or balestra comes a strong attack from warriors, you think there is time to cancel when the archer hit his retaliation button? I dont.

Simple then don't do what they expect.

Originally Posted by Vroek

Even if you manage the archer have yet an other spell that can get him out of a tight spot.

The mana pool of an archer is not huge and forcing them to cast spells to get out of that is costly so I see no problem here.

Originally Posted by Vroek

Sure you can counter it - sometimes - the rest of the time it will beat you up. Especially barbarians and warlocks will receive severe punishment.

They are also the classes that can do the most damage in the shortest amount of time. Punishing the one who attacks is the point of that spell. Both classes do have options to cause dizzy so stopping retaliation is not that hard.

Originally Posted by Vroek

The effect if a few archers using retaliation as protection to area attacks the first one to hit will be sorry, this is the only use that can be justified in my opinion!

Area spells are out of control as it is so if there is one spell in the game that makes that problem less I'm all for it.

Originally Posted by Vroek

Longer cooldown? Yeah at least 40 sec
Dealing with it once or twice fine i think we can live with that but the current state it is ridicules

40 seconds is far too long. I might agree with 20 second duration with 20 second cooldown but 40 seconds it too much.

[zero-ena]

Originally Posted by theotherhiveking

theres no Development > Balance Forum :S

Damn you are right... it should exist then, but in the meanwhile... post it in Development!

Regards!