For those who thought....

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Miraculix

I'm not of the "Don't bother voting" mentality. Quite the opposite, I go to extreme lengths to vote (in my country you can only vote in the place you declare as your permanent residence, and I'm rarely there these last few years) and get others to vote.

But honestly, if I was living in the US, I don't know what I would do, seeing as anything that strays too much from the norm is quickly labeled as communist/terroristic or a threat to the "American way of life", and is quickly made illegal. The differences in the two big parties are barely fooling anyone. It's pretty much the same as in Europe with the two poles being Social-democrats and Conservatives (names may vary from country to country, agenda is the same). Only at least here we haven't started banning every other party yet.

Swapping power from one pole to the other is there only to calm the masses down, to give them a false hope of change after periods of extreme suppression. No real change will be made to society through these means, not in capitalism. But nice reasoning, "You're a fool if you disagree with me". No wonder you actually think Al Gore would make your country a better place.

All politicians are liars, they fool the people to get elected then they do shit. Really in France we had the right and the left wing to command our country for long years and the results are they are both bad. Maybe left wing did at least improve some things with death penalty removal (guillotine eurk ... ). On the economic side they do shit, I know economy is hard to forecast. Even in capitalist system French politician don't understand a single thing, I'm just disgust by what they are doing. The only thing is that both wing do shit but not the same way.

I'm pretty sure Al Gore wouldn't have done the same mistake than Bush, I'm not convince he would have attack Irak, but he would have done other mistakes

No gods, No masters!

[Angel_de_Combate]

I always voted for The Green Party(in england http://www.greenparty.org.uk/) and do they get elected in..do they shite, so i stopped voting, COS its all about bloody power. Why did i vote for the green party, because we all live on this planet, if keep p*ssing about with it the way we do..we will have no bloody planet, simple as. Thats why politics dont interest me..look how long its taken america to take some interest in saving the planet ffs ?? <note to self> That rant definitely certifies me as a hippy in a previous life

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by Skatz1980

<note to self> That rant definitely certifies me as a hippy in a previous life

but hippies are cute nevertheless

[Angel_de_Combate]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

but hippies are cute nevertheless

Originally Posted by Meco

Hippies will take over the world one day, all hairy legged, pot smoking, mosh listening, "groovy" stating chicks!

P.s @ awd : me is cute right ?

[DuoMaxwell]

Originally Posted by Skatz1980

I always voted for The Green Party(in england http://www.greenparty.org.uk/) and do they get elected in..do they shite, so i stopped voting, COS its all about bloody power. Why did i vote for the green party, because we all live on this planet, if keep p*ssing about with it the way we do..we will have no bloody planet, simple as. Thats why politics dont interest me..look how long its taken america to take some interest in saving the planet ffs ?? <note to self> That rant definitely certifies me as a hippy in a previous life

Then stfu, if you don't vote you have no say about anything that happens in your country, the apathy is what has caused your country to have become one of the worst surveillance states ever with no ability to defend yourselves from your government if push ever came to shove.

Theres only a few things you need to know when it comes to politics anyways, fear those that are fro religion, for the children, for prohibition and for gun control, these are the people with the ulterior motives that are the most likely to never practice what they preach.

Just look up the multitude of religious nuts that are anti gay yet are still homosexual, they're own self hatred is what has pushed them into the position they are in, its all because the can't control their own urges, so they must hide eveything from everyone to keep from tempting themselves, but it only makes ther urges that much worse.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell

Then stfu, if you don't vote you have no say about anything that happens in your country, the apathy is what has caused your country to have become one of the worst surveillance states ever with no ability to defend yourselves from your government if push ever came to shove.

Dont start on the hippy, cos like i said i dont give a f*ck ! Everyone has a right to an opinion and i expressed mine..so telling me to stfu is you trying to deny me that right lol

Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell

Theres only a few things you need to know when it comes to politics anyways, fear those that are fro religion, for the children, for prohibition and for gun control, these are the people with the ulterior motives that are the most likely to never practice what they preach.

Just look up the multitude of religious nuts that are anti gay yet are still homosexual, they're own self hatred is what has pushed them into the position they are in, its all because the can't control their own urges, so they must hide eveything from everyone to keep from tempting themselves, but it only makes ther urges that much worse.

Thats the point i dont want to know, the only time i get het up about politics(if you can call it that..cos its a joke really), is when it concerns myself. I get that the government is there to control the people, to mantain order..i couldnt wait for the first time that i was allowed to vote(i voted labour, tony blair got in), but since then i stopped...because i dont believe theres any power in the majority. The British elections compared to Americas are like a barn dance being put next to a Metallica concert..wait Metallica are cool..hmmm okay White snake concert then

[DuoMaxwell]

Originally Posted by Skatz1980

Dont start on the hippy, cos like i said i dont give a f*ck ! Everyone has a right to an opinion and i expressed mine..so telling me to stfu is you trying to deny me that right lol

You failed to vote, you failed to have an opinion. One an doesn't change a thing, you have to participate in elections at all levels of government.

You think too highly of our elections, we're only slightly less fux0red then you are, we usually let the aussies copy you, then we try then the canucks follw suit...

For the record, I'm a pro green party, pro legalization of marijuana and cocain leaves, not cocain in drug form, pro guns, just not hand guns or other concealable weapons(I could care less though if you wanna walk down main street with an AK-47 on your shoulder and a full length katana on your hip, cause I can tell you have them) and pro breeder reactor(we need to stop the nuke scare so we can actually get rid of nuclear waste by reprocessing it and burning it down for power till theres nothing radioactive left in it, burying it under a mountain for 250k years and hoping nothing bad hapens isn't a solution) other then that I'm all for national health care, helping out developing nations, moving to green power such as wind, solar thermal and deep earth geothermal look to be the cleanest and cheapest options. Solar thermal is when you build a tower surronded by mirrors aimed at a central point, that poing is where you place a big pipe filled with liquid sodium, when its heated it can power a steam turbine, the same kind used at coal and nuke plants today to produce power for up to 3 days of overcast skies just fine. deep earth geothermal, drill a few deep ass holes in the ground far enough to where the ground is realy hot, pump in water and steam comes up the other holes, place steam turbine over the holes anf free juice 24/7. Only side efect is a slight increase in low level earthquakes at aroung class 3 at the highest, too low to be of any real concern, the places that have tried it have yet to see an increase in quakes that cause damage. Though the french tried it and pussed out due to idiots thinking france was going to fall into the med...

I go with the green party cause they're the most agreeable since I'm a hard mix to find...

[Angel_de_Combate]

Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell

You failed to vote, you failed to have an opinion. One an doesn't change a thing, you have to participate in elections at all levels of government.

WRONG !! I have an opinion..i just dont need to express it to the world for it to count for something.

Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell

You think too highly of our elections, we're only slightly less fux0red then you are, we usually let the aussies copy you, then we try then the canucks follw suit...

Nope again..i dont think highly of your elections at all..i think its a completely shite 80's rock band type affair, totally over the top..maybe this is my Britishness coming out here and for that i dont apologise.

Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell

For the record, I'm a pro green party, pro legalization of marijuana and cocain leaves, not cocain in drug form

Hmmm marjuana..i sit on the fence..simply because ive used the drug in the past and i know its good points and its bad.

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

pro guns, just not hand guns or other concealable weapons(I could care less though if you wanna walk down main street with an AK-47 on your shoulder and a full length katana on your hip, cause I can tell you have them)

Jesus christ, this is what my children should look forward..if you had your chance to rule the world eh ?

The rest of what you said was actually agreeable..(kinda)

Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell

I go with the green party cause they're the most agreeable since I'm a hard mix to find...

Nice to know you have such strong environmental feelings.. :note the sarcasm..

[Hell_bound]

DuoMaxwell you should learn to be humble, you may have an opinion but your opinion isn't worth any more then anyone's else unless you have substantial facts to backup your claims.

As to the topic at hand...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INAGMSARPYw&eur

As stated by the congressman in the video:

Here's the facts. And we don't even talk about these things. On Thursday, at about 11:00 in the morning, the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States to the tune of 550 Billion dollars was being drawn out in an hour or two. The treasury opened up its window to help. They pumped 105 billion dollars into the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close down the money market accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn't be further panic.

If they had not done that, their estimation was that by 2:00 that afternoon, 5.5 Trillion dollars would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States, and within 24 hours, the world economy would have collapsed. We talked at that time about what would have happened had that happened. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.

This happened last week, January 29th.

None really realize how close we really are...

[DuoMaxwell]

You've still failed to have an opinion and make yourself heard, you must vote at all levels of government and you must contact those people when something comes up that you don't agree with.

As for your children being less safe due to firearms, grow up nannystater, an armed populace is essential to a functioning government as it prevents things from becoming as completely one sided as it has in your country where the government can release the military hounds and put you back in your hole. Guns also don't cause an increase in crime rates, just look at Switzerland where its mandatory for every home to have least one functioning firearm.

Even Ghana, one of the greatest pacifists in history saw the value of a gun, he also knew that just because you have it doesn't mean you will use it, but its a great thing to have when you are threatened by an external force. Like all weapons, the best one you can have is the one you never have to use.

And before you think a bunch of yahoos with rifles can't hold back a well trained and equipped military force if they had to, take a look at history, over the last 50 years it's happened over and over again that exactly that has happened, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are just the most recent case where a bunch of yahoos have actually managed to hold back one of the most powerful military forces on the planet and managed to hold them back for years using asymmetrical warfare techniques. Sure they where up against all manner of tanks, planes, bombs and boats yet are still there and still putting up a fight after all this time. You don't have to be more powerful, you just have to grind them down, one side will back down eventually, thats just the way it works.

And I also stated that there is no reason to have a concealed weapon, since how often is it that someone commits a violent crime with a riffle of any sort? Compare that to how often a handgun is used for violent crimes, notice that the handguns far outnumber the cases involving rifles? All of this is due to the fact that the small hand gun can be hidden away and carried on your person anywhere without anyone knowing its there, so you end up taking it to situations that could easily escalate.

As for the drugs, legalize at the very least marijuana and guess what? You've undermined the drug cartels biggest cash cow and it's also the one that causes fewer health problems then legal drugs such as alcohol and tobacco. Legalize cocaine in leaf form and you're also supplying a mild stimulant which will again take a deep cut out of the drug cartels again.

Drugs themselves aren't always that bad, its the way they are produced in an unregulated manner using any manner of hazardous chemicals that get tossed into the mix for whatever reason that causes the majority of the health risks. You wouldn't smoke a cigarette that had been dipped in bleach, formaldehyde and antifreeze would you?

So are you going to have an opinion or are you still content to let yourself be rolled over at every level of your government through your own lethargy, apathy and ignorance?



As for you hell bound, I refuse to be humble, I know full well what happened with our economic collapse and I had been saying that the way it was going it had to collapse 4 years ago, the old bastard just took longer then I expected to finally come to a grinding halt.

Just so you know, its not over by a long shot, the idiots that keep thinking we'll be out of it by the end 2010 are in for a big surprise. After years of companies lobbying to get all regulation removed and letting complete greedball morons take the to posts in almost every large corporation in the "western" hemisphere the deck is stacked against the world economy, the leeches will bleed the world dry for as long as they can. What happened is an epidemic that is much bigger then any one nation as all of the economic powers of the world are in on the game.

Don't try to bring up anything about the "free market" either, it does not and has never has existed since it depends on a well educated populace to make informed decisions about what they buy and who they buy it from. The local monopolies such as telephone and electric companies don't help either.

So instead we're going to be stuck with capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich for a very long time to come.