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[SmUrV]

Originally Posted by Anpu

It would be good if NGD removes invasion (till they rework it) and add War Zone influence system.
Depending on current possessions of forts/castles in War Zone, realm benefits or get penalties for economy and xp system.

Example: Syrtis has all its forts. Prices for items in shops, as well as worth of loot, is normal, standard price. XP received by mobs is standard.
Syrtis captures enemy fort. Prices become lower for some %. XP increases slightly, for some %.

Example 2:
Syrtis lost Algaros. In that case, Syrtis has economy and xp penalty. Prices in shops go up, xp slightly decreases. Percentage that Syrtis lost by loosing its homeland fort, goes as bonus to realm that captured Algaros.
Castle is more worth than fort, and for loosing/capturing castle, realm gets bigger bonus/penalty than from fort.

Why?
Hitting on "economy" is standard option in some games, but still it won't be enough motivation to leave grind and go help recapturing fort back. But if you hit also XP, people will be more motivated to leave grind, and go help in recapturing fort.

This system would make fort wars more often, and will orient game to fort wars (like it used to be).

Picture: example of suggestion.
3 nations are displayed in bar, and their influence share in war zone.
Prices and Tax are displayed for realm where player who took this picture is.

http://static.na.aiononline.com/powe...b44e5f6468.jpg

This would be much more enjoyable and to Umaril, Alsius will always suffer. :/

[UmarilsStillHere]

Alsius suffers for this reason:

In syrtis most players dont like Ignis for some silly reason,

Type 1) Some of these players like to attack Ignis to "annoy" them. (What happened to fighting for fun eh?)
Type 2) Some of these players find Ignis Wz tactics boring and would rather fight Alsius,

Type 2 is more numerous and as such we often end up at Trele or Agger, I dont acctualy think ive been in Ignis lands for nearly a week now.

I have to also say im a group 2 person, fights recently ping-ponging from Trele -> Alga have been great fun, unless no one bothers to come when Als take Alga, which is a shame.

Rather off topic here, sorry

[thegordo]

I got a good idea... Why dont we try to force the makers of the game to change it, so that those who cant play it in its current guise, can moan and groan, thus having a game that suits them down to the ground !!

Think the enemy is getting away with a bit too much...? Well hey !! Just moan and groan somemore and the makers of the game will yet again change it so that you can WIN WIN WIN !!!!

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by thegordo

I got a good idea... Why dont we try to force the makers of the game to change it, so that those who cant play it in its current guise, can moan and groan, thus having a game that suits them down to the ground !!

Think the enemy is getting away with a bit too much...? Well hey !! Just moan and groan somemore and the makers of the game will yet again change it so that you can WIN WIN WIN !!!!

How very constructive. Lets ignore all the issues with the invasion system and carry on as it is, I assume your in Ignis? Having Fun WIN WIN WINING !!!! all the time? There are 2 other realms full of players, there must be more balance in invasions for NGD to keep them happy as well.

They don't have guts to fight each other, so they pick on the weakest rlm. Our gate has been broken 2 times in 2 days, and yet they continue to press us.
I won't be actually too surprised if Ignis gives us -10% xp too.
Perfect example of doing something just because they can.
Alsius will die out if NGD won't intervene in this. Oh and thanks for removing our RLM xp. We ought to be equally populated now? Well here's the tip, NGD: calculate a sum of all ignis players' RPs. Then calculate ours, and make a conclusion.

As I said, its not because we are "scared" of Ignis or they are "scared" of us, just Alsius tend to be more fun to fight than Ignis, and I guess Ignis feals the same about Syrtis.

From looking at XP ranks the numbers of level 50 players in each realm are,

Alsius has 131
Ignis has Over 153, in 2 class's they have over 30, so I used 30 as the number
Syrtis has over 162, in 4 class's they have over 30, So I used 30 as the number

This of course isnt taking into account players who have left of changed realms, and anyone between level 40->50 who are also usefull in Wz, but I think this gives a good insight into the realm numbers.

[Recoil]

Originally Posted by Umaril

Alsius tend to be more fun to fight than Ignis.

Well OF COURSE we are more fun to fight when it's 6-10 of us with 2-3 50s vs 20-30 of you and half of it 50s like it is most of the time, and it's sultar sultar sultar fireball scscscscsc and free rp for bulgaro axis cheezburger tadill whatever

Originally Posted by Umaril

From looking at XP ranks

We should be looking at total RP, not XP. Or more precisely, total RP of players that have logged in in last 1 month.

[e30G]

I like Anpu's suggestion. I'd also like the idea of looting enemy cities if you make a successful invasion. Maybe killing their merchants would drop really good items or even drop realm specific jewelry.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by Lumi_Alsius

Well OF COURSE we are more fun to fight when it's 6-10 of us with 2-3 50s vs 20-30 of you and half of it 50s like it is most of the time, and it's sultar sultar sultar fireball scscscscsc and free rp for bulgaro axis cheezburger tadill whatever

Merh, no. I personaly like to fight Alsius because they fight more like syrtis, even if you are a lot less you still try, and often take a few down with you, also its been a long time since ive seen syrtis pull a real sultar chain on Alsius, on the contrary yesterday Alsius pulled a 3* sultar + fireball spam on the wall and killed abouty 5 syrtis with ease. Also theres no one in Alsius that I realy dislike :P

We should be looking at total RP, not XP. Or more precisely, total RP of players that have logged in in last 1 month.

You tot it up then, the Rp rank lists are way to long to get any meaningfull data, you could count everyone with 10k +RP per class, but I cant be bothered to right now.

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[ArchmagusArcana]

Originally Posted by Umaril

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Yeah thanks, i was pretty proud of that Yeah i prefer to fight syrtis too, with ignis its wait and wait and wait and wait for a zerg to roll over you. You guys at least get the concept for a fort war; its not always about winning, it about having fun (And then winning ) Technically speaking, ignis is more successful at fort wars for that reason, but its far less fun, there is no give and take and excitement about taking down some foe and escaping to heal and live for another minute, with ignis, its like sex for the very first time: over far too fast and a bit of a letdown

[ArchmagusArcana]

Originally Posted by Umaril

Alsius suffers for this reason:

In syrtis most players dont like Ignis for some silly reason,

Type 1) Some of these players like to attack Ignis to "annoy" them. (What happened to fighting for fun eh?)
Type 2) Some of these players find Ignis Wz tactics boring and would rather fight Alsius,

Type 2 is more numerous and as such we often end up at Trele or Agger, I dont acctualy think ive been in Ignis lands for nearly a week now.

I have to also say im a group 2 person, fights recently ping-ponging from Trele -> Alga have been great fun, unless no one bothers to come when Als take Alga, which is a shame.

Rather off topic here, sorry

I have been enjoying those too....a bit more back in the spirit of the pre-invasion days, i like it. Lately though ignis and syrtis alternate between our three holding, sometimes at the same time. Go fight each other for a bit :P I dont like fighting in ignis either though, their tactics do tend to be a bit boring, you guys at least provide some fun instead of useless skirmishing.

[Recoil]

They don't have guts to fight each other, so they pick on the weakest rlm. Our gate has been broken 2 times in 2 days, and yet they continue to press us.

I won't be actually too surprised if Ignis gives us -10% xp too.

Perfect example of doing something just because they can.

Alsius will die out if NGD won't intervene in this. Oh and thanks for removing our RLM xp. We ought to be equally populated now? Well here's the tip, NGD: calculate a sum of all ignis players' RPs. Then calculate ours, and make a conclusion.