(Horus) Realm Balance or Stop New Players in Syrtis

[ncvr]

Originally Posted by Umaril

But... Dont give this Bs of "oh you only kill noobs at Trele come to Aggers and fight us" Im sorry but if theres no high level trying to take Trele back because your standing around Aggers thats YOUR fault, Alsius takes Alga 10 times more than Trele and we come try take it back, not to mention Alsius WZ is about half the size of Syrtis WZ, its not exactly a long run, and with the forts position you tend to just rez at the gate so dont even have to save.

Almost all of us go to trelle when it's zerged, there's just a few people lvl 25 - 35 who don't. I believe what he was referring to when he said "come fight us at agg" was that trelle is usually undefended when syrtis are reported at pp and several alsius show up at agg. Also, we don't take alga all that often now, while syrtis takes trelle unprovoked at least twice a day. Ignis go for agg more, and while they're there, syrtis takes ignis' empty forts - right now, for example, ignis took agg and syrtis took shaana.

Originally Posted by Umaril

Also I often see Klos, Enio, and other archers I forget the names of at Trele, so dont make out like its just 2 mages and a bunch of warriors, Alsius has the same Issue of having more ranged players than melee players just like the other realms, cept maybe not quite as bad.

Compare the amount of alsius marksmen/hunters on the global ranking with active syrtis marksmen/hunters on the ranking. Do the same with warlocks and conjus. You'll find the majority of the mages we have that are even on the list are retired or grinding another char (or they're warjus). I can take a screenshot of our trelle recapturing army, or even my buddylist at the time we're recapturing if you want.

Lastly, I'm sick of so many people just blaming our lack of players at fort wars for "grinding in the inner realm". If you look on the creatures table at regnum wiki, you will see that Alsius is the worst realm to play in if you want to grind in inner (no reliable areas at lvl 45+ except aqua elites who are very thinly spread across inner beach and take a while to spawn). We can rarely grind in our wz either because it's infested with enemy hunters. *cough* dark legion *cough*

Originally Posted by Punti_X

1) get bored and split
2) move to another fort or castle
3) go grind

4) make a spontaneous invasion attempt. They've come close many times before, and I'm sorry, if you want to invade you'll have to do it the hard way.


There is a real underpopulation problem with alsius, the +rlm statistics are just as bugged as the old spell elude or precise block.

[UmarilsStillHere]

If we look at the top 5 players ranked by Xp,

#1 Beijing - Ignis
#2 Healerous - Alsius
#3 rami - Ignis
#4 Fcelka Drson - Alsius
#5 rhanya - Alsius

Alsius have 3, these players have over twice the XP you need for 50 (guys your insane) thats a pretty good sample indicator that Alsians are spending a lot of time grinding for no reason other than Drops, Cash, or Fun.

If we look at the top 5 clans on XP

# 1 [err][clan_name][0] - Alsius - 129 - 491.690.714
# 2 Apocalypse - Ignis - 198 - 483817.073
# 3 Inquisition -Syrtis - 160 - 421.900.383
# 4 The Dark Legion -Ignis - 168 -278.253.451
# 5 Forest Guardians - Syrtis - 223 -258.171.955

Ignis have 2, Syrtis have 2, But we find an Alsian clan at the top leading by 7,853,641 Xp, which is not must over 1 level 50 player but if you look at the number of players in that clan then the active players must have more on adverage than the other clans.

Not to mention Comp has said after his first visit to Alsius a while ago that he was frustrated by the grind culture there, and that even members of the clan he was in when asked to come to a fort said "Busy grinding, need better items" And he's not the first Alsian I have heard complain about this, so Alsius grinding to much addmitedly isnt the whole problem, but its sure part of it.

[Jippy]

I also have played both Syrtis and Alsius realms and recently moved to Alsius to help with with there lack of numbers(not only do they have low number's but low lvls)

I have been apart of the Syrtis Trelle zerg and became disgusted with it very quickly. The only purpose of this zerg is to RP farm and to take advantage of a lesser numbered realm.

My question is why? after a half hour of RP farming don't you want something more? How about this, actually challenge yourself and take Aggers or maybe Samal and Shaana and try to invade. You guys should still be pissed about the negative exp!

Someone please explain to me the purpose of zerging Trelle everyday and sitting there RP farming?

Regards.

[tauc]

Originally Posted by Umaril

If we look at the top 5 players ranked by Xp,

Alsius grinding a lot? Yes, its true. But we have 100% 45+ players coming to war attempts in very shot time (don't think same at syrts). And grind for better items is very good for underdog realm, what wrong man?

Originally Posted by Jippy

Someone please explain to me the purpose of zerging Trelle everyday and sitting there RP farming?

Regards.

just easy rp's with mind turn off, someone find it fun.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Attacking forts is the game Trele has the same value as Agger regardless of what you may think there are no "secondary" forts they are both the same one is just a slightly longer run.

Would you rather we never attacked you and just sat at Cs all day?

[tauc]

Originally Posted by Umaril

Attacking forts is the game Trele has the same value as Agger regardless of what you may think there are no "secondary" forts they are both the same one is just a slightly longer run.

Would you rather we never attacked you and just sat at Cs all day?

Iook at igs activity when syrts hold trelle and you will knows main alsius secret)

[_dracus_]

Well I can't see why Alsius is complaining about trelle. If everyones defend it, it's one of the easiest fort to recapture for Alsius (near the gate and close to the save). I agree that Algaros save isn't so far, but in the otherway Trelle's save is really close to Algaros.

Once again the problem doesn't come from the players, but from the design.

[UmarilsStillHere]

On Horus when Alsius trys to take back trele they tend to spawn from the gate rather than the save.

[Wodin]

Originally Posted by Umaril

If we look at the top 5 players ranked by Xp,

#1 Beijing - Ignis
#2 Healerous - Alsius
#3 rami - Ignis
#4 Fcelka Drson - Alsius
#5 rhanya - Alsius

Alsius have 3, these players have over twice the XP you need for 50 (guys your insane) thats a pretty good sample indicator that Alsians are spending a lot of time grinding for no reason other than Drops, Cash, or Fun.

If we look at the top 5 clans on XP

# 1 [err][clan_name][0] - Alsius - 129 - 491.690.714
# 2 Apocalypse - Ignis - 198 - 483817.073
# 3 Inquisition -Syrtis - 160 - 421.900.383
# 4 The Dark Legion -Ignis - 168 -278.253.451
# 5 Forest Guardians - Syrtis - 223 -258.171.955

...

This kind of statistics are right, but you read it wrong :P

1. Alsius have players with high xp... its true... but if you take a close look, you will see that Rhanya and Healerous are players since the day the server opened, and they played for hours on a roll... unfortunatly for Alsius, they have real life issues like jobs to attend, so they dont stay online a lot now. By them, they cannot fight a zerg alone! So, why should they go to war? To die? To give away free rp? They only go, when more people go, to help and to be helped! What is left for them to do??? Grind... Grind... Grind... boring grind!!!!

You can see, that Alsius does not have a single player until 21st place in RP list, and only 2 players show in the all list:


#1 Efrendi Ignis Molok Barbarian 50 114.103
#2 Beijing Ignis Skelics Conjurer 50 96.266
#3 Outlaw Syrtis Wood Elf Marksman 50 91.675
#4 Minamoto Syrtis Wood Elf Marksman 50 84.340
#5 Repoorteht Syrtis Wood Elf Warlock 50 77.383
#6 Tigerious Syrtis Half Elf Barbarian 48 73.699
#7 Rulez Syrtis Half Elf Hunter 50 71.859
#8 Plunder Ignis Dark Elf Warlock 50 63.653
#9 clings Ignis Skelics Marksman 50 62.850
#10 Nightshroud Ignis Dark Elf Conjurer 50 58.999
#11 Braveheart Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 58.155
#12 Biwie Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 57.757
#13 deidra Ignis Molok Hunter 50 55.835
#14 Simon Syrtis Alturian Barbarian 50 52.498
#15 Bloodman Ignis Dark Elf Barbarian 50 52.155
#16 Ratpool Pan Syrtis Alturian Marksman 50 52.005
#17 Wes The Great Ignis Skelics Knight 50 51.816
#18 Sir Mariusz Syrtis Alturian Barbarian 50 51.700
#19 skipio Ignis Molok Barbarian 50 50.595
#20 Isemon Syrtis Wood Elf Conjurer 50 48.252
#21 Enio Alsius Nordo Marksman 50 48.039
#22 Fuerst Ignis Skelics Warlock 50 47.709
#23 I Hate You Ignis Skelics Hunter 50 47.701

#26 rhanya Alsius Nordo Warlock 50 44.051
#27 Prasutagus Syrtis Alturian Barbarian 50 43.262
#28 Panoramix Syrtis Half Elf Hunter 50 42.157
#29 glulose Ignis Dark Elf Barbarian 50 42.006
#30 Jaud Syrtis Alturian Knight 50 41.489

This means, that we dont have numbers to an equal fight!

For the clans... we joined 2 major alsius clans, and we still dont figure in TOP as the most rp clan! Take a look at all clans rp list and tell me how many are there from alsius:



# 1 Inquisition Syrtis 160 757.479
# 2 Apocalypse Ignis 198 688.588
# 3 [err][clan_name][0]Alsius 129 678.099
# 4 Italiani di Syrtis Syrtis 140 620.450
# 5 The Dark Legion Ignis 168 403.199
# 6 Ancestors of Ignis Ignis 20 372.934
# 7 Tèðm þwñíé Ignis 116 319.718
# 8 Alsirian Legion Alsius 50 266.813
# 9 Natural Born Killers Ignis 29 260.502
# 10 Reclamation Syrtis 95 241.507
# 11 Polish Kingdom Syrtis 148 234.400
# 12 Imperial Guard of Ignis Ignis 159 233.802
# 13 Green Army Syrtis 118 220.624
# 14 Forest Guardians Syrtis 223 215.309
# 15 Frozen Flame Alsius 36 193.685
# 16 French Freedom Fighters Syrtis 50 188.651
# 17 Winged Wolf Tavern Alsius 108 183.222
# 18 Death Syrtis 66 170.686
# 19 Berserkers Syrtis 38 151.167
# 20 The White Company Dragoons Syrtis 201 135.406
# 21 Demonic Ignis 337 127.675
# 22 Night Terrorists Alsius 17 117.931
# 23 Frenchies Warriors of Alsius Alsius 159 113.230
# 24 The Sons of Odin Ignis 18 108.762
# 25 Polish Team Ignis 105 101.614
# 26 Tyr's Zorn Alsius 40 100.803
# 27 The Guardians of Power Syrtis 207 88.576
# 28 The Brotherhood of Steel Syrtis 87 88.454
# 29 Indignation Syrtis 114 83.322
# 30 Ignis Ignis 6 64.289

I underlined and colored Tyr´s Zorn Clan to say that this was Alsius best clan at the begining of the server, when all realms had equal numbers, and all the players (except Healerous), gave up to play like 5 or 6 mounths after the server started. Some of them changed to german servers (they were all germans), some others play other games! There was still no invasions when they left the game, and the clan is still in top 30... LOL...

The problem is not the grinding, but the numbers... Give us numbers, and we grind and kill you all at same time!

Regards

[UmarilsStillHere]

How exactly can we give you numbers? I have already said Im all for closing syrtis for a bit (so long as the freind invite system I suggested is also added) But I dont think this will happed.

You were the first realm with a new Initiation zone, that hasnt seemed to help much either.

So for now it seems you have to do the best you can with what you have, if 2 players are saying "we will come if you can get a group" odds are there are other players who would also drop the grind and go to war if you got a group up, even 5 or 6 people can take Meni/Alga so go do it! Even 2 or 3 people can be a hunt group, so why do I see so few Alsian hunt groups about?

Even if its running blindly around popular grind spots in the Wz solo there is always something other than grind you could be doing.

Yes old clans/players effect the ranks, my conju was on the Syrtis conju ranks for about 4 months after I ditched him before he was pushed off, and he only had about 3krp, But unless NGD give out real numbers on how many players there are in each realm maybe in a line chart showing over a 7 days. The ranks are realy the best we have to work with.