The world through my eyes...

[Angel_de_Combate]

H_B your endless song lyrics have become boring..i mean i understand that you use them to put a point across, but come on..use more words ffs. You just sound your ranting basically.

As for you Zero, love your comments as always

Originally Posted by Hell_Bound

What is reality?

Originally Posted by Skatz1980

The world as only we can perceive it.

Not bad for someone who only has tiny grasp on philosopy.

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by Skatz1980

H_B your endless song lyrics have become boring..i mean i understand that you use them to put a point across, but come on..use more words ffs.

It's strange that you would say this because as I wrote out a few ideas, a lot more then what was given here, those songs played in the background from a 'net radio station.

That is to say, from writing and listen I was able to see a connection between two random events. Yes, often I just write random things and out of those things, if something inspires me, I will widen a fews things and they become a base for something . And of course I have no control over the radio station play list, and if the truth be known this is the most I have ever listened to this station.

But what is more interesting to me is that you felt that those lyrics were there to express my point (and how couldn't you given my past posts), maybe subconsciously they were - but in the process they were chosen because of how they sounded as a whole and not based on their lyrics.

To me this is interesting, very interesting because both posts where done that way.

Oh and the 'net radio station is called: ampedOut and their slogan is: it's like a god's rubbing your tummy. Genre is industrial ebm electronic and where you can find this radio station is here: http://ampedOut.net

I love experimenting, its the seed to understanding .

[Xero_Aurion]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

I love experimenting, its the seed to understanding .

You do? Well so do I! (well I am a Tech Op in a Lab)

How about this for an "experiment."

Don't listen to music, melodies, or anything that constitutes to a beat, rhythm, or tempo when "thinking" of any ideas

There. That should test your mind out. :P

__________________

I said this before in one of my previous comments, I figured it deserves a quoting moment

"To live, yet experience. To learn, yet perceive. To question, yet to live free in your mind...our choices practically define us in a way..."

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by Xero_Aurion

I said this before in one of my previous comments, I figured it deserves a quoting moment

"To live, yet experience. To learn, yet perceive. To question, yet to live free in your mind...our choices practically define us in a way..."

Although it's true we all have a choice, most of the time though our choices are constrained by our environment, abilities, social status and laws that govern our nations.

There are a lot of people that have lived that thought they were doing things because they felt they had a choice, a choice that would lead to a better society.

Such people are Martin Luther King jr., Mohandas Gandhi, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, JFK and Salvador Allende.

These people, and many like them, felt that there was a choice that needed to be made, but unfortunately they failed to realize that not all groups within a society, the world, want people to have the freedom to choose.

And as you see by the high level of authority some of these individuals had, it doesn't matter how powerful or great a leader you are. You step on the wrong toes and your a dead man.

Death is but one way that society restricts people's choices. Another is socio-economic status, which translates to "he with the most money wins".

Another is skin color. Yet another is sex. Still another is age. And then we can get into other areas as well, such as sexuality, beauty, intelligence, type of job one holds, weight, hair color, the type of music one listens to and so on and so forth.

Yes it's true that we have a choice, but with so many doors closed to individuals its no wonder there are more poor, uneducated, starving people in the world then there are affluent and educated.

The idea of choice goes hand and hand with the idea of individualism - both are a myth. Anyone who thinks other wise is just a fool.

[Xero_Aurion]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

Although it's true we all have a choice, most of the time though our choices are constrained by our environment, abilities, social status and laws that govern our nations...

The laws that govern us now...were made by people who made that choice to create such a thing...

Social status? That's just a set of words people "choose" to say about other individuals based on what they have seen.

Abilities...well when we choose to use our abilities correctly (once we see them that is) then maybe...

The environment? Uh that constantly changes from the choices we make while IN the environment. But all in all it's more than likely that it goes both ways, not one way or the other.

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

...There are a lot of people that have lived that thought they were doing things because they felt they had a choice, a choice that would lead to a better society.

Such people are Martin Luther King jr., Mohandas Gandhi, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, JFK and Salvador Allende.

These people, and many like them, felt that there was a choice that needed to be made, but unfortunately they failed to realize that not all groups within a society, the world, want people to have the freedom to choose...

It's very ironic that you mention such individuals. I'm chuckling to myself a bit reading this. I'll tell you why...there are two major commonalities you did not mention with these said characters that can possibly prove my point you just quoted even further.

--On a side note, another reason I'm chuckling is...well...you've heard of personality tests right? I'm sure you are familiar with the MBTI or Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Well I took those tests years ago and I still do just to see if I changed in my personality (which I never have changed, I'm still the same) and the result I got was INFJ. Now I'm not here to go into detail on that but you can simply look it up here:

http://www.personalitydesk.com/infj-...escription.php

And you can look it up even more on your own time.--

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

...The idea of choice goes hand and hand with the idea of individualism - both are a myth. Anyone who thinks other wise is just a fool.

Now...here is my counter to what you just said near the end. There are two major commonalities between the characters that you just mentioned.

1) These individuals had the same goal in regards to trying, or attempting to make a difference for the better of their society when they were living. Not only that but they made their names noticeable to society around them through their own actions and choices up to a point where some are recognized in history.

2) They were "silenced" (killed)

Now I'm not just referring to the fact that they were killed from being assassinated, we already know that for some of these individuals. Let us look at the reason as to why they were silenced. It seems rather clear that these individuals were silenced for the sole purpose that their voices were becoming too powerful to some people...those people probably disagreed with them, or did not like the way things were going with them, or whatever. Here is something else to consider. Have you not wondered what made these people do what they did? (assassinating these individuals?) These individuals were silenced either by a sole person who made the "choice", or a group of individuals. However, even in the "group assassinations", I could certainly make the assumption that the group was formed by the "choice" of a single individual.

Now where am I getting with all of this? It's simple, the clincher of this post is that these two points I mentioned fall subject to this statement.

And yes...it is a quote...another one. (I'm a man who loves to go by powerful quotes and even made up ones by myself)

"All it takes is one person, a bit of courage, and a single choice to make what could ultimately be the difference in the world..."

Now this statement can clearly go many different ways, however, it makes one thing relatively certain. That is this: The idea of choice is not a myth, it is all around us. It's simply a matter of finding it. Whether the choice is good or bad is dependent on the person obviously. We can make whatever choices we like and it can define us in a way. We may have been "limited" with some choices, however, it has not stopped us from pushing on to continue to make our choices. If you are going to call me a fool for showing belief in this then I give you one last quote to read that I personally made myself and posted previously on here...

Originally Posted by Xero_Aurion

"The one who denies the beauty or concept behind some things, may not have the right to understand them..."

Have a good evening, for I have "chosen" to no longer respond to your posts in particular.

Just kidding, but still have a good evening none the less.

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by Xero_Aurion

The laws that govern us now...were made by people who made that choice to create such a thing...

Social status? That's just a set of words people "choose" to say about other individuals based on what they have seen.

Abilities...well when we choose to use our abilities correctly (once we see them that is) then maybe...

The environment? Uh that constantly changes from the choices we make while IN the environment. But all in all it's more than likely that it goes both ways, not one way or the other.

I find it sad that your so confined to what you want to believe that your unwilling to consider that there is an opposite reality to what you hold to be true. But that doesn't matter, for you will either come to know truth or you will become a slave to lies.

And right now your a slave to lies...

Originally Posted by Xero_Aurion

I'm sure you are familiar with the MBTI or Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Well I took those tests years ago and I still do just to see if I changed in my personality (which I never have changed, I'm still the same) and the result I got was INFJ. Now I'm not here to go into detail on that but you can simply look it up here...

Just so you know I hold a BA (which is a four degree at an American University) in which I double majored in both psychology and sociology (double majors are not entirely rare, but rare enough) - so yes I know about MBTI and even taken it. And I also know much about personality and it's development - most of my psychology classes revolved around that subject, in one way or another if not directly involved in the subject.

Originally Posted by Xero_Aurion

Now...here is my counter...

You try to hard... Your assertions of reality is based on things that you believed in because the actions that you took, based on this belief, produced results that allowed you see yourself as master of your own destiny (hence the connection between choice and individualism), and maybe to see yourself as better then others. But the fundamental problem with all this is: is that your actions, along with your belief, was not only supported by society, but was also taught to you by society.

That is to say, someone one or maybe a group of people taught you how you should behave, and what you should believe in to maximize the benefits of society: a job, an education and ect.

And whether you were conscious of this or not part of the teaching process was watching people who didn't do what authority said get punished or maybe you rebelled against the system in which you also experienced punishment. These punishments, either experienced or observed, must have had a profound affect on you because you have a hard time seeing the connection between what you were taught to what you became. But none-the-less your belief is what some may call a self-fulling prophecy - even to the extent that you would blame yourself and others for a wrong you and they did not commit - because you cling to this idea of "choice" so dearly.


I think it's extremely important how society affects individuals because through this understanding we can come to know the myths that are propagated to us that make us believe in a system which is largely rigged to benefit a small group of people. Thus you think you have benefited from your belief in the myth known as "choice" but in reality there are few, maybe more, that have benefited more from your belief in such a choice.

And why is that a bad thing? Because how do you know, as an individual, when your government or other social institutions and even the people around you are doing more harm then good? How is it that you can distinguish truth from lies? And how do you know when this "belief" benefits others more then yourself?

If you really want to know where I base my ideas from, which you will find out are based on scientific fact - because all these theories were tested, and retested and the outcomes were the same (hence the science of sociology), then here is a list of readings, all easy because its from wiki:


Introduction to sociology and some basic concepts:
Sociology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology
Social class:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class
Life chances: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_chances
Power: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(sociology)
Roles: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sociolo...ry/Role_Theory

Some thinkers and shakers of sociology:
Émile Durkheim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Durkheim
Max Weber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Weber
Karl Marx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx
George Herbert Mead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Mead
Erving Goffman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erving_Goffman
Michel Foucault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault

Some core theories of sociology:
Marxism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
Feminism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
Gender identity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_(gender)
Symbolic interactionism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_interactionism
Interactionism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpr...social_science)
Looking glass self: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looking_glass_self
World-systems approach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-systems_theory <- personal favorite


You can "choose" to believe what you want to believe, but in the end I know what truth is because I not only studied it but I also lived it.

[Angel_de_Combate]

http://www.metarasa.com/resources/mmdi-report/



I sound like a pair of scales hehe, tipping to either side when i need to.

Originally Posted by Hell_Bound

But what is more interesting to me is that you felt that those lyrics were there to express my point (and how couldn't you given my past posts), maybe subconsciously they were - but in the process they were chosen because of how they sounded as a whole and not based on their lyrics.

Of course i felt that, its what you do H_B

[_dracus_]

Hell_Bound you are just a troll. You never post something interesting, only lyrics copied from lyrics website, well in fact you don't know to think by yourself you just do quotation and references, but it's empty, hollow, I wish you a good bye.

[backe]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

Just so you know I hold a BA (which is a four degree at an American University) in which I double majored in both psychology and sociology (double majors are not entirely rare, but rare enough)

Woohoo! Two worthless degrees for the price of one!!

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by gph

Hell_Bound you are just a troll. You never post something interesting, only lyrics copied from lyrics website, well in fact you don't know to think by yourself you just do quotation and references, but it's empty, hollow, I wish you a good bye.

LOL.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm not trolling...

The lyrics are important whether consciously or unconsciously picked. I'm sorry you cannot see life though my eyes...

Originally Posted by backe

Woohoo! Two worthless degrees for the price of one!!

That is really a matter of perspective now isn't? I mean look at the times we live in, if anything those two schools of thought are to become more important.

Thing is you really don't know how important those two schools of thought are in maintaining the rules of society, and the world.

But how could you, for if you did you wouldn't be so quick to scoff at them.