So tired

[Arkenion]

Originally Posted by fean0r

You have unstoppable madness: 450 mana for 60 second 90% resistance to stun dizzy knock...

That doesn't avoid any damage and if there are one or two warlocks spamming spells on him he's down after 10 seconds. Also you can use pricking ivy/twister to make him stay at one place, I think madness doesn't decrease this chance.

Znurre knows what I mean ^^

[mrclean]

Originally Posted by Arkenion

That doesn't avoid any damage and if there are one or two warlocks spamming spells on him he's down after 10 seconds. Also you can use pricking ivy/twister to make him stay at one place, I think madness doesn't decrease this chance.

Znurre knows what I mean ^^

Army of One doesn't protect you from spells too.

So barbs and knights are still quite balanced

[Znurre]

Originally Posted by Boger

But Znurre my mate, its not about getting RP with it.
I personaly have a mage piss off build, south cross is a way to kill him even, lvl 3 feint is enough, and spending points in tactics for 2 knocks is not the way, therefor killing him is the best way to make him useless, and a conju that will sanct-> ress him.
My gameplay is looks more like a support, balestra on rushing warriors while im running to the enemie lines myself. Then I find a warlock or conju, dizzy, combo, knock, again combo, knock and BYE if its not hot yet, again repeat the sequence, then back to own lines helping control the knights and barbs of my enemy.
Thats imo the way a knight should be played, its not about having knocks on lvl5, leeching RP's or whatever.

No, ofcourse not
But many knights aim for damage only, cause they think they get more RP that way. I just wanted to prove that wrong.

[Znurre]

Originally Posted by Arkenion

That doesn't avoid any damage and if there are one or two warlocks spamming spells on him he's down after 10 seconds. Also you can use pricking ivy/twister to make him stay at one place, I think madness doesn't decrease this chance.

Znurre knows what I mean ^^

Yeah.. unstopable neither protects agains Twister, Stunning Fist, Ivy, etc.
It will in the future, but not yet.

[misaccc]

Originally Posted by Valorius

I wouldnt exactly call a dozen charging Knights "Free RP". I'd call it a tidal wave of steel. It's because of those charges that i've made Lvl 5 Caltrips arrow a part of my repitoire of spells. I got sick of my realm mates and i getting over run by the shiney iron clad tanks.

i ment that znurre rushes alone is free rp...

Originally Posted by Boger

But Znurre my mate, its not about getting RP with it.
My gameplay is looks more like a support, balestra on rushing warriors while im running to the enemie lines myself. Then I find a warlock or conju, dizzy, combo, knock, again combo, knock and BYE if its not hot yet, again repeat the sequence, then back to own lines helping control the knights and barbs of my enemy.
Thats imo the way a knight should be played, its not about having knocks on lvl5, leeching RP's or whatever.

excatly...thats my vision of knights too only that i rush less and more stay in first lines diabling rushers and pets

[magnet]

There isn't "one" single valid Knight template/playstyle.

We need "protecting" Knights who stop the warrior rushes; because if we don't have them we're as good as dead when Alsius rushes; it's very hard to deal with that many warriors when you're only with Archers & Mages.

We need "area" Knights (those you guys call leechers) because let's face it, Ethereal Mantle and Deflecting Barrier are among the best defensive spells in the game. Deflecting Barrier is even better than Protection Dome, both spells at the same time will cancel terror, lightning arrows, etc. Those "conju-knights" are extremely useful but we do need less of them than protective Knights.

And finally we do need charging Knights, like Alsius has... I know if a Knight is rushing alone it will divert my attention for a sec, and it's often enough. Charging works like a charm in the game, we can't always win through ranged attacks so we do need Knights to charge first. Feanor you can't compare Unstoppable Madness and AoO, this is crazyness. A DI'd AoO'ed Knight with Precise block is harder to stop than an UM'ed Barb and *a whole lot* harder to *kill* (and if Protector is on, it's even harder). The role is to divert attention while your teammates come and support you with areas; and Barbs come. A lot of Alsius Knights do it very well though. Of course it works better with more Knights (better if Onslaught'ed) and Barbs coming behind.

A Knight lacks the points to have a skillset covering the 3 playing styles but I think they can cover 2 of them if they will, or specialize in 1. Or make sacrifices and have a bit of each. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't criticize any Knight I play with or against, they are often the players with the most common sense in battle. When I'm rushed on by a Barb and have a friendly Knight nearby, I never need to ask for help, the Knight comes to stop him. Yet, if I have a Warlock nearby, I can dream to have him freeze the Barb. Maybe this is purely because the Knight goes for the closest target, I don't know, but in the end I like playing with a lot of Knights.

[ByteMe]

Originally Posted by Znurre

Hehe, might be :P

To all knights. Consider this.
You knights doesn't deal a lot of damage, and thus don't get a lot of RP.

Instead, you should use spells like Feint, wich at level 5 would count as 1000 damage dealt on the enemy and give you a lot more RP than even a South Cross

My feint gives no RP, I've tested this several times were all I do is feint and no for me. I've also tested with feint and sheild bash and still no RP for the knight. (my test consists of about 5 trails so not conclusive proof either way but if I get one hit in I get RP)

[BlooD]

Originally Posted by ByteMe

My feint gives no RP, I've tested this several times were all I do is feint and no for me. I've also tested with feint and sheild bash and still no RP for the knight. (my test consists of about 5 trails so not conclusive proof either way but if I get one hit in I get RP)

Seems like the system for non-damage spells its broken, a lvl 5 spells its equal to 900 damage but for now it doesnt count. Same with conjurer skills and support.
For now no damage=no rp.

But i agree we need more defensive knigth, killing mages its not the knigths work. And use Deflecting barrier. I blocked like 20 skills in a row with it yesterday at samal.

[NeZZeR-N]

Originally Posted by ByteMe

My feint gives no RP, I've tested this several times were all I do is feint and no for me. I've also tested with feint and sheild bash and still no RP for the knight. (my test consists of about 5 trails so not conclusive proof either way but if I get one hit in I get RP)

It does ,and if not that guy's you've tested it on had like 10000 hp and you need to make atleast 10% to get RP.
EDIT: looked at post over me.
For me it isen't broken ,my death sentence gives me loads of RP ;-)

Anyway back to topic ,yeah I've seen many badass Knights ,many good to but much badasses.
I think Byteme is disliked(by elves) cause everybody shooting at him.
So he's a good knight

[DkySven]

Thanks for this thread, Znurre, I finaly know which of my three classes I should play . But atm I'm dealing with the best balestra ever, lag. It's now very hard for me to return after a charge when that's needed. (So I do rush in enemy lines )And I discover that deadsentece gives me problems(one way to call dead, isn't ) because I can't cast low profile as I did with my hunter.