Why does everyone hates hunters?

[bgoodwyn]

@octopus

A lot of what you said makes sense and has merit, but I present three things that balance the hunter IMO:

• Kill the pet first and the hunter is then very vulerable. The pet dies quickly and the primary damage dealer is no longer in the equation.
• Onslaught + spring puts my barb in the hunter's lap very quickly. Other classes have range so speed is somewhat less of an issue. I feel sorry for knights.
• A hunter's escape at the end of the battle is based somewhat on passive speed, but it is mostly based on being able to cast themselves invisible or invulnerable...if they are left without mana, are not standing, or are dizzy that option goes away.

You make good points and I believe hunters have many strengths, but I believe each of those strengths are balanced (to a degree) with a solution. You may not be able to configure your class the exact way that you want to (meaning a 100% support conju may be very disadvantaged to certain configurations of hunters few-v-1), but each subclass has the skills in their tree necessary to do battle with every other subclass.

[makarios68]

I'm getting truly fed up with all the bitching about hunters.

It's not just on here, but in-game too.

More than once i have had players standing near me in-game calling hunters cowards, lame, running all the time and using camping tactics.

Like, er, i am a hunter and i am right beside you while you call me!!

How can saving yourself when you have little health left be cowardice? If you have the ability to save yourself just before you die, you would be a fool not to!

And i assure you , not all hunters camp saves.

When will people get over the fact that hunters can keep themselves alive better than any other class, and just get on with playing their own class?

I will play my hunter less because people keep making their feelings clear.

ATM I even feel like deleting him.

But then my other chars will still have to play with the whingers in my realm and continue to hear their whining. FFS i don't go into the game to listen to that!!!!!

So playing for another realm is also tempting coz then i'd have the satisfaction of killing the whingers - WITH MY NEW HUNTER!!

[Heglin]

I don't hate hunters but for a knight they can be really annoying . They're not overpowered, barbs can catch them and mages can drain their mana. A hunter with a dead pet and no mana = A dead hunter.

No point in hating a whole class just because some hunter made you angry. If you must hate someone then hate that hunter who just killed you/got away/whatever

[octopus]

Originally Posted by makarios68

I'm getting truly fed up with all the bitching about hunters.

It's not just on here, but in-game too.
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How can saving yourself when you have little health left be cowardice? If you have the ability to save yourself just before you die, you would be a fool not to!
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When will people get over the fact that hunters can keep themselves alive better than any other class, and just get on with playing their own class?

Wudy,

I hope that my in-game whining hasn't contributed to your frustration. I have the highest respect for you, and I know you are not a coward. I would like to clarify a couple of things.

When I complain about my perception of hunters being overpowered, I am complaining that NGD designed it that way. If I could evade most spells sent at me and escape from sure death, I would. It is not the fault of players that this is the current situation.

I don't think that players that play hunters are any more cowardly than players from other classes. I'm sure some are cowards, and others are brave, from any class. When I mentioned in my previous post that "hunters are perceived as cowards," that is the design of the class, like you mentioned.

Of course there are some jerks that play hunters, repeatedly killing the same people while leveling and such. But I know that you, Wudy, are not one of those people.

My complaint about hunters is with NGD's overpowering the class (in my opinion), and thereby making the game less interesting for those that did not choose that class. I suspect that this situation has become more apparent with time as more and more hunters get to level 50.

[trulyem]

Originally Posted by makarios68

I'm getting truly fed up with all the bitching about hunters.

It's not just on here, but in-game too.

More than once i have had players standing near me in-game calling hunters cowards, lame, running all the time and using camping tactics.

Like, er, i am a hunter and i am right beside you while you call me!!

How can saving yourself when you have little health left be cowardice? If you have the ability to save yourself just before you die, you would be a fool not to!

And i assure you , not all hunters camp saves.

When will people get over the fact that hunters can keep themselves alive better than any other class, and just get on with playing their own class?

I will play my hunter less because people keep making their feelings clear.

ATM I even feel like deleting him.

But then my other chars will still have to play with the whingers in my realm and continue to hear their whining. FFS i don't go into the game to listen to that!!!!!

So playing for another realm is also tempting coz then i'd have the satisfaction of killing the whingers - WITH MY NEW HUNTER!!

I have to honestly say, I always whine about them, but for the fact that I am talking about other realms. I have no actual facts that you were and when I sometimes do you do not. The thing is, its kinda frustrating... yep.

Anyway, I apologize if I had any whine about it....especially within your surroundings.

[Comp]

I also am quite fed up and irritated (same as Wudy). Hearing phrases like "Hunters are all cowards" from my own realm-mates makes me quite sick. I guarantee if you take a look (or begin to look) you'll find that the guy who is usually there to bail you out of a bind is..........guess what.........a hunter.

ALSIUS TAKE A LOOK:
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For those of you in Alsius take a look - and think back of how many times the good hunters of Alsius have been there to bail you out of trouble.....yet they are called cowards by their own real mates.

I'VE JUST BEEN KILLED BY A HUNTER:
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Now, if you find yourself getting killed by a hunter frequently - ask yourself how you got into that situation in the first place. You either:

1. Think your Mr. T and can be out leveling (or hunting) all by your lonesome in the wz and not be harmed.

2. Were singled out in a group by a hunter and died because your buddies were too busy "chatting about who knows what".

3. Fell for the "ohhh, I'm a scared hunter" routine and you chased after him and left your buddies behind. When I get people to do this (and it happens ALOT) it's an easy kill. Their minds are already set and they truly aren't ready for a fight - just expect and easy kill.

4. You were afk in the WZ (don't get mad - next time log out).

DON'T LEAVE THE GROUP:
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Hunters are hard to kill but they are easily dealt with. Kill the pet - most hunters won't hang around. And for goodness sakes - don't chase alone and don't leave the group chasing. It's a trap....trust me....and one I do very well.

HUNTERS ARE COWARDS AND HAVE NO TACTICS:
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This is the one that kicks me in the nutz every time I hear it. In my opinion, hunters are the champions of tactics - otherwise people wouldn't be bitching about them. They don't have tactics, why....cause they won't stand still for you to hit? 'Cause they don't go charging into enemy lines. Next time you want to see someone who fights well - watch a hunter. Hunters are made for evasion and that is what they do best.

CONCLUSION:
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I'm pissed at Alsius for their remarks in some general chats regarding hunters. When the phrase "All hunters are cowards" is coined in open chat....guess what - Alsius has hunters too. I'm not going to stop playing my hunter, and I'm not gonna stop bailing your butts out of hot-water. But when you find yourself staring up at the sky after being walked on by a hunter - try to think about what you did to put yourself into that position.

[octopus]

Originally Posted by Solarus

... In my opinion, hunters are the champions of tactics - otherwise people wouldn't be bitching about them.

Solarus,

I agree with just about everything you said, except that statement. Hunters are no better or worse at tactics than any other class. They are characters controlled by humans, and some humans will learn good tactics, while others will not, regardless of class.

A couple days ago, about 5 of us were chasing a single enemy warlock. He ran through a river... we thought he was going to drown. Two of us followed. We all exited on other side, badly wounded from water. He hid behind a tree, then Terrored the two of us that followed, killing us both, then escaping. Kudos to his tactics. Great tactics from a warlock, just like I see from many others from all the classes.

[Larvin_Coel]

I hate those hunters who not even say hello but steal your xp.

I'm starting to fight with mob and then suddenly a hunter arrives and starts hitting it with range weapon. That's attract the mob and starting to rush to the feet of the hunter like a good puppy and I have to run too. When I reach the mob I cannot hit it cos the pet of the hunter is in the way. In the end I get very low xp or none. They just appear and they steal every mob and every xp in the territory. They do a lot of damage from range so if you want to party with them and still get some xp, you have to run a lot.

[valterbla]

Originally Posted by bgoodwyn

Onslaught + spring puts my barb in the hunter's lap very quickly. Other classes have range so speed is somewhat less of an issue. I feel sorry for knights

woaaaaaa wait a sec, You know how many Onslaught is? It's 400 in lvl 5. Do you know how much mana is Sprint? It's 150 (lvl 5), In the end, It's Half mana out of the Barbarian. Don't say stuff that you aren't sure of it.

Edit: Solarus, I problaby understand a bit of the "hunters are all cowards" people, well, i already don't play regnum at 3 weeks but i remenber, that most of times i gone wit my barb to wars or hunts, when we were in pb and syrtis were coming, they almost always just run. and then, their allies die and the hunters run. but i understand from the part of the hunters, The hunters in wars are nothing.

Edit2: Well, To who say that Onslaught is too good, I think it's worse because:

Good New Stuff

+35% Speed!

Not New Stuff :|

400mana cost

Bad New Stuff

60 secs countdown(2X than the Duration)
30 secs Duration

For me, Onslaught is Worse now.

[makarios68]

Originally Posted by octopus

Wudy,

I hope that my in-game whining hasn't contributed to your frustration. I have the highest respect for you, and I know you are not a coward.

At one time your whinging was unbearable, but lately you seem to have it under control, out in the open at least.

And it is this kind of moaning that i hate - out loud and within earshot of me (sometimes deliberately i'm sure.)

I think some people get frustrated by enemy hunters and vent that frustration on ally hunters to make themselves feel better.

This kind of moaning should be constrained to private chats with a sympathetic listener.

But i tell you, when i hear it makes me think: "ok, if those are your feelings about my class, i cannot fight alongside you."

And on a personal note: i'm none too keen about the run/hide tactics of hunters.

My preference is for fort wars and always has been.

Because of this, most of my time as a hunter has been with a set up designed for forts. Hell, i've spent months of time as a hunter without even having camoflage. And my only aim at the end of a fort fight was to take some ememies down b4 i died, and never to run or hide.

But lately, circumstances have forced me to adopt a more evasive style. Every time i go near a fort, or even a group of people i freeze with high server pings. So i have to hunt alone or in a small group to stay away from the crowds. So i would be crazy spending so much time alone in enemy territory without evasive skills.

And even if i wanted to keep this style, why should i have to listen to realm mates bitching about it?

If these technical problems go away i will probably pick up rep shot again for forts and go back to my previous style.

Until then, can u all plz quit the damn whinging!!!!!!!!