Barbs are boring now...

[trulyem]

Originally Posted by Seher

Hehe I'd love to see you winning against another warrior with both feint and kick 4/5, maybe you should upload a video.

Awrighty, Ra Barbs do use that, IT kinda sucks but I will look for one or ask a friend to fight me

[Seher]

Ok then let's say win against a barbarian who isn't retarded and maybe even plays about as good as you.

I've seen warriors just running away while UM is running, or even worse, some morons start running as soon as both feint and kick are on cool down. The most annoying thing about this tactics is that it's actually the most effective way to play.

[doppelapfel]

Originally Posted by Klutu

It's actually very possible

Most Barbs who are rolling with Kick/Feint 4-5 don't know how to play in situations where they can't use there knocks

Example a enemy barb with UM - most of these barbs use kick and feint during the duration of UM - So there in CD and the other barb has attacked them 2-3 times already and there dead :P

Of course a skilled player with lvl 1 feint can kill a bad player with kick and feint 4 or 5 but doesnt prove anything, if both are similar skilled the one with the high lvl knocks will win.

[Ulfsgar]

Originally Posted by Klutu

It's actually very possible

Most Barbs who are rolling with Kick/Feint 4-5 don't know how to play in situations where they can't use there knocks

Example a enemy barb with UM - most of these barbs use kick and feint during the duration of UM - So there in CD and the other barb has attacked them 2-3 times already and there dead :P

Congratulations on winning against a retard ... You are a really godlike barbarian. Thumbs UP !!

If Amun is available again, we could duel. You'll choose the feint/balestra 1 build. I'll choose the modern brainless-build with feint/kick 4-5.
You won't win for sure. That's a safe bet for me, I know. But claiming such ridiculous things means demonstrating them
I'm looking forward to the video

[xDoomx]

Originally Posted by Ulfsgar

Congratulations on winning against a retard ... You are a really godlike barbarian. Thumbs UP !!

If Amun is available again, we could duel. You'll choose the feint/balestra 1 build. I'll choose the modern brainless-build with feint/kick 4-5.
You won't win for sure. That's a safe bet for me, I know. But claiming such ridiculous things means demonstrating them
I'm looking forward to the video

well, it will be not that difficult to win against barbarians with faint and kick 4/5. you have just to kill them within 10 seconds, so that his knock down spells are useless. just use a middle weapon, to do 3 hits with fulminating...

[Kyrottimus]

Barbs are boring simply because now it doesn't take any skill to kill efficiently with them.

In a fight between two barbs, it really comes down to who has better ping so as they are both mashing away at the kick/feint 4/5 spells until one works so they can cast fulminating and rape the other with normals (or SC/Beast Attack).

And also it matters whose network-code "positioning" is less f**ked up than the other so it doesn't make it say "You are out of range" when the enemy is literally in your face but your char won't attack.

Hunters used to be OP with the cookie-cutter "easy-button" build of troll-tards, camo, confuse, etc....but now it's barbs who are OP with the cookie-cutter "easy-button" build of kick/feint 4/5, fulminating and normals.

The balance update was an improvement but there might have been excessive pressure put on the scales of balance in another direction.

Barbs need to be taken back a peg (change the function of fulminating from yet another +% dmg spell to something NEW and CREATIVE that is functional and fun, and also make feint a knight-only spell), and things like frozen storm need to be rethought.

It seems to me, at the moment, as a class, barbarians have the least amount of effort and creativity put into them and their lack of variety and versatility reflect that (in my humble opinion ofc).

[xDoomx]

The changes of the Hunter were too extreme and now he is just rediculous... so NGD shouldn't make the same mistake with the Barbarian. All knock down spells or at least kick have to be changed... variable knock down time or less knock down chance would be perfect!
Everything else is ok!

[Klutu]

Originally Posted by Ulfsgar

Congratulations on winning against a retard ... You are a really godlike barbarian. Thumbs UP !!

If Amun is available again, we could duel. You'll choose the feint/balestra 1 build. I'll choose the modern brainless-build with feint/kick 4-5.
You won't win for sure. That's a safe bet for me, I know. But claiming such ridiculous things means demonstrating them
I'm looking forward to the video

hmmm you can do the same thing i mentioned VS skilled players aswell

Simply avoid the barb during there Duration of UM - Hit them with Roar then Howl and there good as dead

Theres always ways around knocks it's just difficult as hell

I also can't and wont make a video - Don't use any video software and simply don't care enough about the subject to waste my time making such a video

[Ulfsgar]

Originally Posted by xDoomx

well, it will be not that difficult to win against barbarians with faint and kick 4/5. you have just to kill them within 10 seconds, so that his knock down spells are useless. just use a middle weapon, to do 3 hits with fulminating...

Oho. Do you think, I'm not able to run away during fulminating? naive!!
Furthermore, there's another problem with your way of combat.

I guess you'd cast fulminating right after UM; but in this case, 5 seconds of UM have already been elapsed (stopping, casting ...). So, you have to kill the other barbarian within 5 seconds...
And the other barbarian would have the chance to run away much earlier if you want to cast fulminating because you'd to cast UM a few meters before you'd arrive. Your UM is wasted, you don't hit me only one time because I've ran away... My UM is available and so, I'd run forward to you, activate UM right before arriving and I'm able now to knock you down, before you could run away because of the short global CD of UM

I hope, you'll all understand my tactics ...
And no barbarian without feint/kick 4-5 could win against such runaway tactics.


Although being the most effective way to fight other barbarians I do not use such tactics or knock-downs at all because it's simply boring.

[Ulfsgar]

Originally Posted by Klutu

hmmm you can do the same thing i mentioned VS skilled players aswell

Simply avoid the barb during there Duration of UM - Hit them with Roar then Howl and there good as dead

Theres always ways around knocks it's just difficult as hell

I also can't and wont make a video - Don't use any video software and simply don't care enough about the subject to waste my time making such a video

Making such a video takes you 1 second for pressing F9
I could do the same with you, couldn't I ? Furthermore, I wouldn't call someone a skilled player, if he cast UM so early that you are able to escape...