New experience curve, or how you should level to 50 before next patch

magnet · 05-04-2008, 05:45 PM

EDIT3: The experience has been changed again on Amun, -32% basic exp... challenge rating bonus not affected this time (like... wtf is happening?)
EDIT2: The experience is back to 100% on Amun!

Original post

EDIT: I have made a mistake on comparing +200% boosters... And this makes things even worse; See, I took 200% boosters as 2times better than +100%.. No, those are "+" 200%. They are 1.5 times better than +100%, and 3x the basic exp.

There is no mistake this time because I tested it on the experimental server, by buying a +200% exp scroll

Please excuse me for the error, I fix the results in the text below

Hello everyone,

As it has been stated in a previous thread, along with the next patch and the new scrolls (200% exp booster, and scroll of mastery "get to lv 30 right now"), there's an "adjustment of the experience curve".

I have been out on experimental and on the official servers to compare and find out what it is. Obviously NGD cannot/shouldn't change the experience required for a given level, or people would lose level (and skillsets) and that would be really bad.

However they have another point of leverage: the experience each mob gives.

I have tested on Beastly Puma (challenging for a lv 50) and the results are clear:
Official: 290 base exp + 58 chg bonus
Experimental: 189 base exp + 38 chg bonus

Simple mathematics and a test on a few other mobs say it....

MOBS WILL, STARTING NEXT PATCH, GIVE ONLY 65% EXP OF THE CURRENT EXP

This is a -35% exp reward.

If you killed this Beastly Puma with a +100% exp booster, you would get 580+116=696 on Ra. On Amun, you get 378+76=454. Now, using +200% exp boosters, you could get 681 exp.

This means that the +200% exp boosters, compared to the current +100% exp boosters and current exp, will give -3% (less) exp. And not +100%

However, they cost 3000 xim compared to 950, that is 3,15 times more (ie 315%).

We will have to pay more than 3x more for 3% less exp.

If we report the -3% less to the current exp, that is 3000xim +3% = 3090 = the cost of what is currently a 100% exp scroll on Ra. I don't know if you follow me... but:

For the very same exp, you will have to pay 3.25 times more. (and get 3% slower exp)

As stated in this thread [http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...d.php?t=22959] I was about to start a new character and buy a Scroll of Mastery. That's a good source of income for NGD I think. I also think those 200% scrolls were a good idea, and awesome idea; but they just don't give the exp we expect.

I understand that there are now many level 50s. I understand that those who have the classes they want to 50 don't care, or even: they will support the exp reduction, because they want as few lv 50s as possible... to be higher level than most.

But leveling in the game is already painfully slow. There was no need to increase so drastically the time required to get to lv 50.... Without using scrolls, or with +50% or +100% scrolls, it will now take 50% more time to reach level 50! (no, I'm not popping this from my ass, it's just 1/65%). Using +200% scrolls, it will be 3% slower AND cost 3.25x more (around 130 euros in Xim to get to level 50, using +200% scrolls from lv 30; add 30 euros to get the Scroll of Mastery).

NGD, I believe you are making a mistake. It will disgust players, grinding is already barely bearable... If you change the curve, change it by no more than 5%, this would be already HUGE! The very high costs of your new Ximerin items are OK, I think, but they have to give the real value... Here, it feels like you're just fooling players. I understand NGD needs more revenues, but this -35% exp is just wrong.

Now, I would be happy if you would infirm my post; but I've been investigating and it looks like it. Unless it's specific to the experimental server (but you removed the exp multiplier, so I doubt you put an exp divider.. If I'm wrong, please close this thread asap).

And finally, as for me, I already have 4 chars very close to level 50, but if things are how I envision them, I won't be making that other char I wanted, and certainly not buy the Scroll of Mastery.

Thanks for an official reply, I'm sure we will need it.

UmarilsStillHere · 05-04-2008, 06:09 PM

if this happens im SO starting a vote to have it put back grinding is allready masssivly time consuming and totaly unberabe...makeing it take longer??

what kind of mean pills were NGD on when they came up with that

DemonMonger · 05-04-2008, 06:20 PM

thank god i have 8 million xp

Inkster · 05-04-2008, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemonMonger

thank god i have 8 million xp

Ditto.....

Cool_is_i · 05-04-2008, 06:29 PM

NO WAY!
why would they do that?!?!
I can barely stand grinding as it is!!!!

when i grind i kill mobs that give 160 instead of 150 the +10 makes all the difference.
Now their reducing it in 100s????? [290-189]
I doubt ill play very much if they reduce it that drasticly,
ill move on to oblivion...

_dracus_ · 05-04-2008, 06:33 PM

Nooooo, I gotta level up fast...

-Edge- · 05-04-2008, 06:35 PM

NO! This is NOT what I wanted at all! If they go through with this I limit my chances of Regnum...

Hell_bound · 05-04-2008, 06:36 PM

LOL!

Come witness the truth...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nine Inch Nails

Down on your knees
You'll be left behind
This is the beginning
Watch what you think
They can read your mind
This is the beginning
I got my mark, see it in my eyes
This is the beginning
Well my reflection I don't recognize
This is the beginning

We think we've climbed so high
Up all the backs we've condemned
We face no consequence
This is the beginning of the end

You wait your turn
You'll be last in line
This is the beginning
Get out the way
Cause I'm getting mine
This is the beginning
There are some ones that can help themselves
This is the beginning
May be too late as far as I can tell
This is the beginning

We think we've come so far
On all our lies we depend
We see no consequence
This is the beginning of the end.

Envy · 05-04-2008, 06:37 PM

7m and counting, but this has definitely increased my chances of abandoning Pride for the second time.

Valorius · 05-04-2008, 06:40 PM

NGD i left WoW and came back to you and Regnum because of excessive grinding requirements in WoW.

Something to think about, isn't it?

05-04-2008, 05:45 PM	#1
magnet Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: France Posts: 1,416	New experience curve, or how you should level to 50 before next patch EDIT3: The experience has been changed again on Amun, -32% basic exp... challenge rating bonus not affected this time (like... wtf is happening?) EDIT2: The experience is back to 100% on Amun! Original post EDIT: I have made a mistake on comparing +200% boosters... And this makes things even worse; See, I took 200% boosters as 2times better than +100%.. No, those are "+" 200%. They are 1.5 times better than +100%, and 3x the basic exp. There is no mistake this time because I tested it on the experimental server, by buying a +200% exp scroll Please excuse me for the error, I fix the results in the text below Hello everyone, As it has been stated in a previous thread, along with the next patch and the new scrolls (200% exp booster, and scroll of mastery "get to lv 30 right now"), there's an "adjustment of the experience curve". I have been out on experimental and on the official servers to compare and find out what it is. Obviously NGD cannot/shouldn't change the experience required for a given level, or people would lose level (and skillsets) and that would be really bad. However they have another point of leverage: the experience each mob gives. I have tested on Beastly Puma (challenging for a lv 50) and the results are clear: Official: 290 base exp + 58 chg bonus Experimental: 189 base exp + 38 chg bonus Simple mathematics and a test on a few other mobs say it.... MOBS WILL, STARTING NEXT PATCH, GIVE ONLY 65% EXP OF THE CURRENT EXP This is a -35% exp reward. If you killed this Beastly Puma with a +100% exp booster, you would get 580+116=696 on Ra. On Amun, you get 378+76=454. Now, using +200% exp boosters, you could get 681 exp. This means that the +200% exp boosters, compared to the current +100% exp boosters and current exp, will give -3% (less) exp. And not +100% However, they cost 3000 xim compared to 950, that is 3,15 times more (ie 315%). We will have to pay more than 3x more for 3% less exp. If we report the -3% less to the current exp, that is 3000xim +3% = 3090 = the cost of what is currently a 100% exp scroll on Ra. I don't know if you follow me... but: For the very same exp, you will have to pay 3.25 times more. (and get 3% slower exp) As stated in this thread [http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...d.php?t=22959] I was about to start a new character and buy a Scroll of Mastery. That's a good source of income for NGD I think. I also think those 200% scrolls were a good idea, and awesome idea; but they just don't give the exp we expect. I understand that there are now many level 50s. I understand that those who have the classes they want to 50 don't care, or even: they will support the exp reduction, because they want as few lv 50s as possible... to be higher level than most. But leveling in the game is already painfully slow. There was no need to increase so drastically the time required to get to lv 50.... Without using scrolls, or with +50% or +100% scrolls, it will now take 50% more time to reach level 50! (no, I'm not popping this from my ass, it's just 1/65%). Using +200% scrolls, it will be 3% slower AND cost 3.25x more (around 130 euros in Xim to get to level 50, using +200% scrolls from lv 30; add 30 euros to get the Scroll of Mastery). NGD, I believe you are making a mistake. It will disgust players, grinding is already barely bearable... If you change the curve, change it by no more than 5%, this would be already HUGE! The very high costs of your new Ximerin items are OK, I think, but they have to give the real value... Here, it feels like you're just fooling players. I understand NGD needs more revenues, but this -35% exp is just wrong. Now, I would be happy if you would infirm my post; but I've been investigating and it looks like it. Unless it's specific to the experimental server (but you removed the exp multiplier, so I doubt you put an exp divider.. If I'm wrong, please close this thread asap). And finally, as for me, I already have 4 chars very close to level 50, but if things are how I envision them, I won't be making that other char I wanted, and certainly not buy the Scroll of Mastery. Thanks for an official reply, I'm sure we will need it. __________________ Last edited by magnet; 05-09-2008 at 07:27 PM.

05-04-2008, 06:29 PM	#5
Cool_is_i Initiate Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 133	NO WAY! why would they do that?!?! I can barely stand grinding as it is!!!! when i grind i kill mobs that give 160 instead of 150 the +10 makes all the difference. Now their reducing it in 100s????? [290-189] I doubt ill play very much if they reduce it that drasticly, ill move on to oblivion... __________________ Shadow Walker---Syrtis RA-- Healer of Shadows ----Lv:38--------Clan Lord of---------Lv:41------- --Barbarian---The Infernal legion---Conjurer -----

05-04-2008, 06:33 PM	#6
_dracus_ Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toulouse Posts: 1,335	Nooooo, I gotta level up fast... __________________ « Thanks all, you are right I'm great with the barbarian ... for killing mobs. » -- Athena Stillwater

05-04-2008, 06:37 PM	#9
Envy Master Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 400	7m and counting, but this has definitely increased my chances of abandoning Pride for the second time. __________________ Pride Greed Gluttony Wrath Envy Lust Sloth There's no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt. Immortal Legends / Frozen Flame

05-04-2008, 06:09 PM	#2
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	if this happens im SO starting a vote to have it put back grinding is allready masssivly time consuming and totaly unberabe...makeing it take longer?? what kind of mean pills were NGD on when they came up with that

05-04-2008, 06:20 PM	#3
DemonMonger Marquis Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edge of the Abyss Posts: 2,066	thank god i have 8 million xp

05-04-2008, 06:35 PM	#7
-Edge- Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Łódż, Poland Posts: 1,506	NO! This is NOT what I wanted at all! If they go through with this I limit my chances of Regnum...

05-04-2008, 06:40 PM	#10
Valorius Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,994	NGD i left WoW and came back to you and Regnum because of excessive grinding requirements in WoW. Something to think about, isn't it?