New Confuse : Thoughts ?

HuntShot · 10-08-2011, 02:30 PM

So what about Confuse,

Since I've been playing the game people have always been complaining about this spell, probably more than any other spell in the history of RO. And now that it's finally nerfed, I haven't seen even 1 thread ( maybe overlooked, my bad then ) giving it's opinion.

So, what do you guys think?

Description of the Old Confuse:

Confuse

The enemy is constantly distracted.
He cannot use non-offensive powers (Any spell that do no inflict direct damage).

Type: Constant
Duration: 15, 20, 25, 30, 35
Cost: 120, 140, 160, 180, 200
Casting: 1,5
Cooldown: 60
GCD: Short
Range: 25
Discipline Tree: Tricks, avaible for all archers.
Cannot cast non-damaging powers

Description of the New Confuse:

Confuse

The enemy is constantly distracted.
He cannot use non-offensive powers (Any spell that do no inflict direct damage).

Type: Constant
Duration: 10, 13, 16, 19, 22
Cost: 120, 140, 160, 180, 200
Casting: 1,5
Cooldown: 60
GCD: Short
Range: 25
Discipline Tree: Scouting, only avaible for Hunters.
Cannot cast non-damaging powers

HuntShot · 10-08-2011, 02:33 PM

Well I'll start,

I voted I like it because,

I remember from when I used to play hunter even I thought it was OP, when I switched classes to Lock I hated confuse 5 it was just way too much! Now it finally got nerfed so if I get knocked from my horse and get a confuse 5 on my arse I'll just treehug waiting for the effect to lose it's duration

Thank you NGD!

PT_DaAr_PT · 10-08-2011, 02:36 PM

I still don't like the effect, it's too strong, but it's definitely an improvement.

byakurai · 10-08-2011, 02:40 PM

i like it, 22 seconds it's not a long time, it's a skill that someone can dispells you so I believe now is not a problem, and not everyone uses it on 5.

Latan · 10-08-2011, 03:11 PM

i suggested 20 seconds duration at lvl 5, so 22 is a real good improvement in my eyes

Kittypretty · 10-08-2011, 05:32 PM

I don't really think its a big change, most max scouting anyways for Hunters' few spammable attack skills (ensnaring arrow) so I think the duration is a help, but, the main problem is still there. confuse could have retained its duration, if it could be a cc that is defendable against (mindblank/defensive support etc)

Or allow like people have suggested, self buffs castable under effect, but not any ally support skills. (would this be Underpowered though against classes with limited or no often used ally skills, like barb?)

I'd rather see confuse as a Cast speed debuff, that a player has to 'concentrate' longer because of it, so it would still be a pain to be hit by it.

Kitsuni · 10-08-2011, 05:38 PM

Those 22 secs are still plenty of time to kill someone even from full HP, and Hunter is still nerfed to crap because of it. Thus, all core problems remain.

The only thing that has changed is less people playing Hunters thus less Confuse prevailance.

Seher · 10-08-2011, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PT_DaAr_PT

I still don't like the effect, it's too strong, but it's definitely an improvement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitsunie

Those 22 secs are still plenty of time to kill someone even from full HP, and Hunter is still nerfed to crap because of it. Thus, all core problems remain.

Pretty much this. I voted I like it, just because I like it more than the old one, but it still has to be nerfed further.

Phlue4 · 10-08-2011, 06:43 PM

I like.
Only for hunters - as it should be.

Kitsuni · 10-08-2011, 11:03 PM

Suggestions:
- Change the effect of Confuse to a heavy cast speed malus as suggested above. This would keep its anti-Conjuror role, especially if they need to Sanct.
- Make Darkness dispellable, since it is magic and dispel is an anti-magic, thus cannot be blocked. Perhaps increase the range to 25 to compensate for the nerf.
- Change the effects of DI to match those of the current Offensive beacon, 70% resist to all CCs, and don't block non-damaging powers.
- Replace the effects of Offensive beacon with those of current DI, but only lasting for 15-20 seconds.

And most "lose-lose" situations regarding these spells would disappear:
- No more hopelessness since Confuse and Darkness could be countered properly.
- More general CC resistance during every day fights without beacons, allowing any class e.g Knights or Warlock to charge like a barb with UM when DI'ed.
- Changed Offensive beacon is more balanced as targets are 100% immune to many powers but can still be stopped by damaging powers.
- No longer any need to rely on MS for beaconed enemies since the effect wears off soon enough and can be countered.
- More careful timing and use of all spells would be required for success.

View Poll Results: About New Confuse
I Like it because..	18	81.82%
I don't like it because..	4	18.18%
Neither of the above, I would wan't it to..	0	0%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

10-08-2011, 02:30 PM	#1
HuntShot Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 468	New Confuse: Thoughts? So what about Confuse, Since I've been playing the game people have always been complaining about this spell, probably more than any other spell in the history of RO. And now that it's finally nerfed, I haven't seen even 1 thread ( maybe overlooked, my bad then ) giving it's opinion. So, what do you guys think? Description of the Old Confuse: Confuse The enemy is constantly distracted. He cannot use non-offensive powers (Any spell that do no inflict direct damage). Type: Constant Duration: 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 Cost: 120, 140, 160, 180, 200 Casting: 1,5 Cooldown: 60 GCD: Short Range: 25 Discipline Tree: Tricks, avaible for all archers. Cannot cast non-damaging powers Description of the New Confuse: Confuse The enemy is constantly distracted. He cannot use non-offensive powers (Any spell that do no inflict direct damage). Type: Constant Duration: 10, 13, 16, 19, 22 Cost: 120, 140, 160, 180, 200 Casting: 1,5 Cooldown: 60 GCD: Short Range: 25 Discipline Tree: Scouting, only avaible for Hunters. Cannot cast non-damaging powers Last edited by HuntShot; 10-08-2011 at 03:34 PM.

10-08-2011, 02:36 PM	#3
PT_DaAr_PT Baron Join Date: May 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 940	I still don't like the effect, it's too strong, but it's definitely an improvement. __________________ Daar

10-08-2011, 02:33 PM	#2
HuntShot Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 468	Well I'll start, I voted I like it because, I remember from when I used to play hunter even I thought it was OP, when I switched classes to Lock I hated confuse 5 it was just way too much! Now it finally got nerfed so if I get knocked from my horse and get a confuse 5 on my arse I'll just treehug waiting for the effect to lose it's duration Thank you NGD!

10-08-2011, 02:40 PM	#4
byakurai Marquis Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Asturias (España) Posts: 2,516	i like it, 22 seconds it's not a long time, it's a skill that someone can dispells you so I believe now is not a problem, and not everyone uses it on 5.

10-08-2011, 03:11 PM	#5
Latan Master Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: L'Aquila - Italy Posts: 268	i suggested 20 seconds duration at lvl 5, so 22 is a real good improvement in my eyes

10-08-2011, 05:32 PM	#6
Kittypretty Baron Join Date: May 2008 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 697	I don't really think its a big change, most max scouting anyways for Hunters' few spammable attack skills (ensnaring arrow) so I think the duration is a help, but, the main problem is still there. confuse could have retained its duration, if it could be a cc that is defendable against (mindblank/defensive support etc) Or allow like people have suggested, self buffs castable under effect, but not any ally support skills. (would this be Underpowered though against classes with limited or no often used ally skills, like barb?) I'd rather see confuse as a Cast speed debuff, that a player has to 'concentrate' longer because of it, so it would still be a pain to be hit by it.

10-08-2011, 05:38 PM	#7
Kitsuni Baron Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 886	Those 22 secs are still plenty of time to kill someone even from full HP, and Hunter is still nerfed to crap because of it. Thus, all core problems remain. The only thing that has changed is less people playing Hunters thus less Confuse prevailance.

10-08-2011, 06:43 PM	#9
Phlue4 Master Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 322	I like. Only for hunters - as it should be.

10-08-2011, 11:03 PM	#10
Kitsuni Baron Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 886	Suggestions: - Change the effect of Confuse to a heavy cast speed malus as suggested above. This would keep its anti-Conjuror role, especially if they need to Sanct. - Make Darkness dispellable, since it is magic and dispel is an anti-magic, thus cannot be blocked. Perhaps increase the range to 25 to compensate for the nerf. - Change the effects of DI to match those of the current Offensive beacon, 70% resist to all CCs, and don't block non-damaging powers. - Replace the effects of Offensive beacon with those of current DI, but only lasting for 15-20 seconds. And most "lose-lose" situations regarding these spells would disappear: - No more hopelessness since Confuse and Darkness could be countered properly. - More general CC resistance during every day fights without beacons, allowing any class e.g Knights or Warlock to charge like a barb with UM when DI'ed. - Changed Offensive beacon is more balanced as targets are 100% immune to many powers but can still be stopped by damaging powers. - No longer any need to rely on MS for beaconed enemies since the effect wears off soon enough and can be countered. - More careful timing and use of all spells would be required for success.