Which suggestion do you think is the best for Regnum?

Tamui · 10-13-2012, 03:51 PM

Heya, I'm making this thread when I saw chilko's reply:

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

There are several tensions when working on a game like Regnum

tensions like:

What our players want us to do?
What our players think that could be good but could actually be bad for a big part of the community?
What we (NGD) want to do?
What our partners want us to do?
what can we actually do given the resources and time constraints?

I haven't seen a good suggestions thread in a while

could someone make an organized thread about balance suggestions and keep it up to date? like a first post listing all of the ideas with greater player backing, per sub-class?
(taking out of consideration the problems with warmasters spells as they will be addressed somehow in the following update)

Wait what?

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

I haven't seen a good suggestions thread in a while

There have been loads of good suggestions.
I'll split into categories:

Spells & Gameplay:
MS
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=89741
Camo Corpse change idea
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=89771
Marksmen Improvements (Gameplay NOT power)
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=84566
Mages:
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=86725
WM Spells
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=77630

Population balance Ideas
Realm Balance
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=86472
Mercenaries
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=83331
Level Cap island
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=68220

Invasions:
Regarding Boats:
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=89210

User Interface Suggestions

UI: (This Mostly)
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=64003

This isn't a suggestion but mostly what players want to see first:
Players priority list:
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=89525

Ok, so far these are the few I found in few mintues.
Post threads of suggestions you've seen which Regnum deserves.
C'mon maybe we can enlighten some NGD staff!

Casting_beast · 10-13-2012, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamui

C'mon maybe we can enlighten some NGD staff!

I hardly doubt it

^^

Nice list btw ^^
Posted after a few mins of browsing the suggestions......sigh, and Chilko didnt find any huh? :P

Tamui · 10-13-2012, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casting_beast

I hardly doubt it

^^

Nice list btw ^^
Posted after a few mins of browsing the suggestions......sigh, and Chilko didnt find any huh? :P

Haha, doesn't hurrt to try

I guess the search engine is broken for him

OT: I'm pretty sure I missed some great suggestions, so please post'em if you find them!!

AariEv · 10-13-2012, 04:01 PM

Can I suggest that you place the topics where players clearly agreed with the OP at the top and notice Chilko asked that the suggestions be organized "per sub class". Perhaps you could then make an "other" heading to place the other decent suggestions.

Scias' mage thread, Bois' realm balance thread, and Balint's Mind Squasher thread need to be read asap as they gained the most +1s. All suggestions were great, but make these (and any others the community agreed with) distinguishable from the rest.

AariEv · 10-13-2012, 04:21 PM

No sense making another thread so I'll make your life a little bit easier.

Warrior:

Mind Squasher (Balint): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=89741

Mage

General Mage Suggestions (Scias): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=86725
Arcane Devotion (Shwish): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=90742
Conjurer XP Distribution (Zordak): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=82640

Archer

Marksman Improvements (Enio): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=84566
Hunter Improvements (Seher): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=76831

Population Balance

Population Balance (Bois): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=86472

standistortion · 10-13-2012, 04:46 PM

Most of those threads are also targeting problems with particular aspects of RO but the aspects are a minor point, the realm balance issue is a fundamental problem with the games mechanics and cant be efficiently fixed by tweaking individual aspects of the game.

There have been many suggestions for fixing the problem, Bois would the best to comment on this as he has put forward many of those suggestions and has promoted suggestions from others that he didn't agree with but many of the Haven community liked.

The fundamental problem is there is no down side to having a large population, no system of diminishing returns or award for fighting against superior numbers.

I'd made comments on this in the past, I make no claim that these are my ideas but I hope they can be taken on board as possible implementations of a realm balance system.

Purple fever. This, imho, had the most potential for a system of diminishing returns. Disease was once (and still is) a major problem during wars and would work as a penalty for having groups of players crowded together in RO. In the purple fever event it took effect far to quickly and didn't have enough direct effect on the player. A weak contamination that has little or no effect on individual players or small groups but intensifies in larger groups and directly effects attributes would ad a new and unique dynamic to the game. I don't believe this would work as a primary mechanism for realm balance but think it would work well as one component of it.

Group bonuses/penalties. There is already a mechanism in RO to distribute XP based on a groups effort. This could be expanded to battles to give a greater reward to the group with the lower numbers and a lesser reward or even a penalty to the group with the greater numbers. I think this could function well as a core component of realm balance and do a lot to improve the nature of gameplay without adding unreal elements to the game.

If Bois (or anyone else with the same kind of trust in the RO community) was willing and if its possible with the forum software I'd suggest allowing him to compile a thread of suggestion which he can lock to prevent a flood of discussion in which its impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Phlue4 · 10-13-2012, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aarisewan

Can I suggest that you place the topics where players clearly agreed with the OP at the top and notice Chilko asked that the suggestions be organized "per sub class". Perhaps you could then make an "other" heading to place the other decent suggestions.

Scias' mage thread, Bois' realm balance thread, and Balint's Mind Squasher thread need to be read asap as they gained the most +1s. All suggestions were great, but make these (and any others the community agreed with) distinguishable from the rest.

That's right... if you, Tamui, really want to help the developers of NGD...
Grab through the newest 10 sites of the balance section and sort it by importance, measured by players' statements.
Have fun..
PS. You did not even "[take] out of consideration the problems with warmasters spells as they will be addressed somehow in the following update"...

AariEv · 10-13-2012, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phlue4

That's right... if you, Tamui, really want to help the developers of NGD...
Grab through the newest 10 sites of the balance section and sort it by importance, measured by players' statements.
Have fun..
PS. You did not even "[take] out of consideration the problems with warmasters spells as they will be addressed somehow in the following update"...

This. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is already ruined because it's primary purpose seems to be to prove Chilko wrong instead of actually helping to find the best balance suggestions that he asked for. It's obvious from the first 3 posts.

Quote:

...lock to prevent a flood of discussion in which its impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Agree. There's always going to be someone who will feel the need to vent their frustrations.

chilko · 10-13-2012, 08:41 PM

I've spent all of my Saturday afternoon reading through the suggestions forum.

I went through the first 4 pages already.

If you read carefully you will see that most of the suggestions have positive and negative views from you guys.

I did take note of around 20 things, that are good, interesting and/or doable.
Please take into consideration that we are working hard on some major features (like instances and the new RVR/invasion mechanics) while also working on engine level stuff (lowering memory consumption, improving performance and tracking crash bugs). These are huge undertakings and it is hard to insert this ideas into our task lists.

in any case, whatever help you can give us ordering, filtering and prioritizing the most well accepted suggestions is greatly appreciated.

Seher · 10-13-2012, 08:44 PM

Shameless self plug: Better invasion mechanics.

http://regnumonlinegame.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=78535

I’m rather curious though why this thread didn’t get much attention. Don’t you understand the mechanics? Being to hard to understand would be a huge disadvantage for them. Please reply if that’s the case. :-) Those who did reply liked it though.

10-13-2012, 04:01 PM	#4
AariEv Initiate Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: United States Posts: 144	Can I suggest that you place the topics where players clearly agreed with the OP at the top and notice Chilko asked that the suggestions be organized "per sub class". Perhaps you could then make an "other" heading to place the other decent suggestions. Scias' mage thread, Bois' realm balance thread, and Balint's Mind Squasher thread need to be read asap as they gained the most +1s. All suggestions were great, but make these (and any others the community agreed with) distinguishable from the rest. __________________ Aari - Aaris'lia - Aasiora ~ I N Q U I S I T I O N ~

10-13-2012, 04:21 PM	#5
AariEv Initiate Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: United States Posts: 144	No sense making another thread so I'll make your life a little bit easier. Warrior: Mind Squasher (Balint): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=89741 Mage General Mage Suggestions (Scias): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=86725 Arcane Devotion (Shwish): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=90742 Conjurer XP Distribution (Zordak): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=82640 Archer Marksman Improvements (Enio): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=84566 Hunter Improvements (Seher): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=76831 Population Balance Population Balance (Bois): http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=86472 __________________ Aari - Aaris'lia - Aasiora ~ I N Q U I S I T I O N ~ Last edited by Aarisewan; 10-13-2012 at 04:55 PM.

10-13-2012, 08:44 PM	#10
Seher Count Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,026	Shameless self plug: Better invasion mechanics. http://regnumonlinegame.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=78535 I’m rather curious though why this thread didn’t get much attention. Don’t you understand the mechanics? Being to hard to understand would be a huge disadvantage for them. Please reply if that’s the case. :-) Those who did reply liked it though. __________________ Winning a fight doesn't make you a good player, having fun losing one does. DISCORD!

10-13-2012, 04:46 PM	#6
standistortion Master Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 438	Most of those threads are also targeting problems with particular aspects of RO but the aspects are a minor point, the realm balance issue is a fundamental problem with the games mechanics and cant be efficiently fixed by tweaking individual aspects of the game. There have been many suggestions for fixing the problem, Bois would the best to comment on this as he has put forward many of those suggestions and has promoted suggestions from others that he didn't agree with but many of the Haven community liked. The fundamental problem is there is no down side to having a large population, no system of diminishing returns or award for fighting against superior numbers. I'd made comments on this in the past, I make no claim that these are my ideas but I hope they can be taken on board as possible implementations of a realm balance system. Purple fever. This, imho, had the most potential for a system of diminishing returns. Disease was once (and still is) a major problem during wars and would work as a penalty for having groups of players crowded together in RO. In the purple fever event it took effect far to quickly and didn't have enough direct effect on the player. A weak contamination that has little or no effect on individual players or small groups but intensifies in larger groups and directly effects attributes would ad a new and unique dynamic to the game. I don't believe this would work as a primary mechanism for realm balance but think it would work well as one component of it. Group bonuses/penalties. There is already a mechanism in RO to distribute XP based on a groups effort. This could be expanded to battles to give a greater reward to the group with the lower numbers and a lesser reward or even a penalty to the group with the greater numbers. I think this could function well as a core component of realm balance and do a lot to improve the nature of gameplay without adding unreal elements to the game. If Bois (or anyone else with the same kind of trust in the RO community) was willing and if its possible with the forum software I'd suggest allowing him to compile a thread of suggestion which he can lock to prevent a flood of discussion in which its impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff.

10-13-2012, 08:41 PM	#9
chilko NGD·Studios Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 892	I've spent all of my Saturday afternoon reading through the suggestions forum. I went through the first 4 pages already. If you read carefully you will see that most of the suggestions have positive and negative views from you guys. I did take note of around 20 things, that are good, interesting and/or doable. Please take into consideration that we are working hard on some major features (like instances and the new RVR/invasion mechanics) while also working on engine level stuff (lowering memory consumption, improving performance and tracking crash bugs). These are huge undertakings and it is hard to insert this ideas into our task lists. in any case, whatever help you can give us ordering, filtering and prioritizing the most well accepted suggestions is greatly appreciated.