[To Adrian] Give us an option

[Loque]

To play in Ignis. Syrtis and Alsius got their healthy numbers though still varies across timezone but Ignis is pretty much non-existent. They do have some few players in their timezone but still it's not enough. So, without going into the reasons or cribbing about why players stopped or the agendas, how would it be if just a select few could willing go to play in Ignis, like say for a week, maybe on an experimental basis to see how things go and if the realm sustains itself.

I'm not asking to take your time out of other game development things or such, just maybe you could get a list of say 10-15 players from Syrtis/Alsius who would be willing to switch with their one char to Ignis and play there for a week. You can make all items character bound so trade and other stuff is disabled. Changing realms should be like just switching a flag in the character profile isn't it? I don't know how things are done actually so forgive me if I assumed too much, I'm just guessing. We can get some names right in this thread who would be willing to participate in this experiment. What do you think Adrian/Frosk? If this goes beyond the game ethics or things like that from your point of view, feel free to ignore it but a few words from your side would be appreciated. I hope I'm not putting you in any fix or position here.

If any players want to try this, I urge you to add your names below.

Alsius: Loque

[Tenel_Ka]

Nice idea, but it's just not going to happen. It's been asked for numerous times over the years and ignored. It's too time consuming to implement and will cause a lot of problems. Seriously, e-w-z will lose his shit if Syrtians start playing in Ignis. I don't want to see that, the guy talks too much as it is.

Just bite the bullet and b̶u̶y̶ grind a character there.

[_Kharbon_]

Instead of temporary solutions, this game needs a proper influx of players. Fixes, redesigning early-game, making the game more attractive, followed by a relaunch on Steam. That can improve the situation on Haven.

The idea might work for a few weeks, but I bet it would take like 6 months to implement :P.
Then again, most of the time since I started to play the game, there was one realm overpopulated or one underpopulated. Current Haven is nothing new. In time, the population will flux again..

[halvdan]

Instead of temporary solutions, this game needs a proper influx of players. Fixes, redesigning early-game, making the game more attractive, followed by a relaunch on Steam. That can improve the situation on Haven.

The idea might work for a few weeks, but I bet it would take like 6 months to implement :P.
Then again, most of the time since I started to play the game, there was one realm overpopulated or one underpopulated. Current Haven is nothing new. In time, the population will flux again..

100% agree.

WM jewels update was just one huge mess which created just more problems, didn't fix anything and delayed the real update Haven needs.

Make leveling to 50 possible in few days, make level 50ties able to compete with 60ties (well you complicated this already with those jewels), promote the game more and if Ignis will be still facing the problem being low populated, with some exceptions disable making new characters in other realms for a certain time period.
That's basically all Haven needs.

[Loque]

Yes I realize what has been said and suggested before and I do know it's a temporary fix and also agree with the influx and things and the new leveling update they are working on. What I meant was filling the gaps for a few days, just to see how things handle.

I will give my own example as to why I suggested what I suggested. When Haven was fresh, and Christmas was in, we got these other realm banners from trees as gifts. So I had some Ignis banners this way. One day, when we were at Meni, some SGM came on and we just cheekily asked if we could spend those banners. He agreed and temporarily I became Ignis for a few mins, I used up the banners and then got switched back to Alsius.

So, let's see it this way. Adrian comes in to work one morning and see this thread and goes, "Hey let's try this experiment, and see how things go, switch the flags to Ignis.. " etc. This is why I thought there is pretty much no coding or development involved to change the flags. Of course, I can only suggest, they are the better judge and have the final say.

[_Kharbon_]

Yes, switching realms is possible. However, I think there would have to be other restricitons: quests, bosses, trades, wmc quests, gm to oversee that no "sabotage" behaviour is taking place and quite a few other issues would likely arise.
There was a thread about mercenaries somewhere on forums, that's I think quite similar to what you're suggesting.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think your idea is terrible, and I do think that there are people willing enough, who could make it work. I'm just trying to point out that it might not be so easy to implement as you suggest. Also, some idea of "realm rivalry" was imho always encouraged by NGD, this may go against that.


Also, I'm sure that I'm not the only one to notice, that the developers focus mainly on RA, and many updates are targeted towards a large-server population. Therefore, it might be NGD's objective to first bring up Haven in population, than continue with content. At least I hope it's that way..

[Telwe]

well remember this game as a free MMO competes with something like RIFT.... newcomers need to immediately taste the RvR or why would they do the tedious 1-60 leveling when they could play Rift instead?

[Loque]

Just provide the option for level 60 warmaster players who having nothing to do but war. WMC earning will be normal as how it is, boss doesn't really matter I think, you dropped a Dean spear big deal.

And sabotage..., don't get me wrong but Haven can barely manage players much less go dramatic and political with it's vicious schemes and what not.

I agree with Ra but the demographics of both servers are so haphazardly different it must be hard for them to cater to a smaller audience.

Realm rivalry? no realm, no rivalry.

Also, switch e-w-z to Syrtis for this time period.

PS: And when I say provide the option, I'm not asking to develop any interface or something like that to switch. I just mean get 15 willing names on here and turn them into Ignis for a week.

[rinky]

Just provide the option for level 60 warmaster players who having nothing to do but war. WMC earning will be normal as how it is, boss doesn't really matter I think, you dropped a Dean spear big deal.
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Also, switch e-w-z to Syrtis for this time period.

PS: And when I say provide the option, I'm not asking to develop any interface or something like that to switch. I just mean get 15 willing names on here and turn them into Ignis for a week.

So, as you mentioned, if the code for such banners is already developed, it would require no great coding effort (tho there would be some, to update the code to conform to current code).

I kind of like this idea, and I'd like it to be automated -- the banners are available for use by Level 60 characters, who would be moved to the other realms temporarily (1 week per banner?).

There should be a name change for the other realm, though.

I rather like the idea. Not sure it would work very well, but there's only one way to find out.

To be honest, invading an empty realm is sad and disheartening to me.

Redbeard

[Aely]

The realm was not empty this morning, we were 4 log, only1 lvl 60 ^^ and 2 <45. :p

Frankly if you send us guys who dancer above us after kill us in 15 vs 1 with conf 5 and darkness 5, I am not persuaded that will be much appreciated.
The idea is interesting, however.

[Aely]

But at the same time a number of Asius and Syrtis players have Ignis HL accounts and they do not play them, preferring the zerg system where they are sure (maybe :p ) to win every time.

So I am not persuaded that one will find players willing to be grind again and again, when these same players decided it was more fun to kill again and again the same players at 25 vs 4 in a fort camping lvl 4...

I let everyone ponder on the subject.

Oh, one last thing, welcome to Nemon, do not worry, it will only makes things when we get less than 50 Kills per day.

And a big thank you Loque, superbly ignore the syrtis zerg who plays agger lvl 4 to go around the fort with 1 or 2 friends to come to kill the 6 online Ignis players painfully trying to finish a quest 30. <3 You have finished a lot of wm Quests for us.
At least you play with us. :) We love you.

[Mehran]

The game is intended for each player to devote themselves to one realm to fight the others, much like being a citizen of one country during a war. But the game is quite stale with uneven numbers, and it is a very astonishing issue that arises always. Not sure switching realms is the answer, but something should be tried at least.

I would not mind switching, because even numbered fights, those are what keep the game giving you a fun-filled heart attack. But the betrayal is something to consider.

Maybe with different game styles (battle zones, plus more combat modes), there will be more fun. Maybe be able to do a duel for same class similar level (Same level, or up to 5 difference), if not same class and similar level, then different class similar level.

Let's get the blood running again! I love being pumped during fights!

[Loque]

I don't think people realize the game is not about Syrtis, Ignis or Alsius anymore. It's about Haven as a whole. The days of great elves rising from the east to face the dwarven empire are long gone and are good for the books now. The reality is what would you do when the last 6 Ignis who log in everyday to play, stop logging in completely. Sit proud in your realm (country) saying yay we are so many online? That just doesn't work. All your pride only holds water as long as there is a sustainable population across all realms and people are playing the game. Nobody wants to see 2 people online in their list when they log in to play. I have seen the times in Alsius long back and I know how it feels.

Sure you don't know have to care, why would you when you got your friends and your realm and use the game as a social medium of some sort. To be honest, I'm not even sure how many are ready to participate in this even if it goes true, but I'm willing to try. I'm not asking anybody to switch realm permanently, just make the game enjoyable for everyone as a whole for a few days. Maybe that's all it needs, a spark, to get the wheels in motion, you never know.

[Svarec]

If you want to have more balanced realms why not try to grind own ignis char?
And thats main problem of this game and its stupid grinding before one can join real fort wars and the funny part of game. With WM jewells it is even harder now to start at lvl 30 when you get your first quests kill 5/5. As i remember when i start to play it was very funny for me even on lvl 30 to go to fight because lvl 50 was max and gap between 30 and 50 wasnt so big. Before that lvl i was deciding if stay or not because that all-day grinding + some quests doesnt bring me fun. But i was doing it because i want to see the wz and fights there. Some people tell me to stay at this game till lvl 30 that after that lvl real fun begin. So when i reached lvl 30 i went there and it was so exciting for me that i spend some other years of my life in that game.

When people start today they need to grind at least to lvl 45 with warriors and archers or 40 with mages. Experienced players can ofc start earlier but somebody who starts with regnum is dead whenever he/she heads out of the realm gate before that levels.
Thats the main problem of the game - the "MID-GAME" between quests and war. It is ok that it should be spend at training with mobs(grinding). But only grinding is so unfunny that many players left game before reach the wz level. Maybe the squid island will fit for that levels, where people can train with equal levels and not get one-hitted by wm barb or pew pew to death by wm archers with wm jewels.
So please NGD stay focused on that and bring some better leveling system. There were many nice suggestion on forum.
For example this:
http://www.championsofregnum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105194


For that people that are interested in loque suggestion and want to help ignis numbers and feel that playing syrtis or alsius is not funny in such numbers. Please make new toons and come to ignis, some active players will be welcomed there for sure.

[Telwe]

"And thats main problem of this game and its stupid grinding before one can join real fort wars and the funny part of game."

Exactly. This is the main problem.

[Mehran]

"And thats main problem of this game and its stupid grinding before one can join real fort wars and the funny part of game."

Exactly. This is the main problem.

As mentioned, this is being worked on. We just have to wait.

[rinky]

The realm was not empty this morning, we were 4 log, only1 lvl 60 ^^ and 2 <45. :p

Frankly if you send us guys who dancer above us after kill us in 15 vs 1 with conf 5 and darkness 5, I am not persuaded that will be much appreciated.
The idea is interesting, however.

On Haven, yesterday (to me), we noticed that Alsius took two Ignis relics to their CS. We also noticed there were 6 defenders at Ignis gate. We (Syrtis) were quite prepared to smash the Alsius players between Ignis and us when they would try to invade, but they took the relics back to their CS instead of trying an invasion.

Personally, I find the "dancing over the dead body" thing to be a bit offensive, particularly when the dead opponent was beaten by 2 or more (5, 10, 15 ... as has happened to me several times). That's essentially saying that the winner is such poor player that they can only win by means of brute force, and not by superior tactics.

We'll take advantage of numbers, yes, but it's not a reason to celebrate or dance over the losing side's dead.

Spoilsports! ;-)

Redbeard

[Telwe]

I guess i'd be willing to do it for a week. -Daith

[Mehran]

I guess i'd be willing to do it for a week. -Daith

If you want a better experience getting to level.50, I would recommend waiting until the end of September (beginning of October) for them to release the character leveling update.

[Telwe]

? I'm lvl 60 and will never grind again.

[Mehran]

? I'm lvl 60 and will never grind again.

It sounded like you tried to game, but hated the grind that you quit and were willing to try it for another week. But yeah, enjoy your fort grinding :)

[Kimahri_Ronso]

? I'm lvl 60 and will never grind again.

Guess when lv 70 kicks in, you won't stay tuned xD.

[Telwe]

It sounded like you tried to game, but hated the grind that you quit and were willing to try it for another week. But yeah, enjoy your fort grinding :)

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Maybe this is beyond your comprehension but consider the possibility that I press for change on forums for the actual good of the game and not for personal benefit.

Now stop hijacking the thread.

Guess when lv 70 kicks in, you won't stay tuned xD.

:D I don't know what I'd do.

[Dumberest]

One day, when we were at Meni, some SGM came on and we just cheekily asked if we could spend those banners. He agreed and temporarily I became Ignis for a few mins, I used up the banners and then got switched back to Alsius..

all thats required in a realm swap is changing one variable,usually a number that identifies your realm.when you used that banner it changed temporarily.

there might be side effects with attributes and other behind the scenes things....but thats not hard to fix. realm swapping for a week or a month or permently should have been enabled years ago.

[roonwick]

all thats required in a realm swap is changing one variable,usually a number that identifies your realm.when you used that banner it changed temporarily.

there might be side effects with attributes and other behind the scenes things....but thats not hard to fix. realm swapping for a week or a month or permently should have been enabled years ago.

realm swapping wil only encourage multirealming, and will be the end of the game. Loyalty to 1 realm should be encouraged, and action should be taken to force multirealmers to choose 1 realm.

[Loque]

I'm talking about war banners. You cannot use other realm war banners. I didn't use banners to become Ignis, I was turned into Ignis to spend the war banners.

I still have one for nostalgia.

http://i.imgur.com/8AXFvTT.jpg

[Dumberest]

I'm talking about war banners. You cannot use other realm war banners. I didn't use banners to become Ignis, I was turned into Ignis to spend the war banners.

I still have one for nostalgia.

http://i.imgur.com/8AXFvTT.jpg

oh okies,well same principle applied to that as what i was speaking about and what your speaking about....it didnt take months of coding to do,thats because when thye create character prefabs etc,they have a variable to distinguish which realm you belong.

[Telwe]

"action should be taken to force multirealmers to choose 1 realm."

This is a good idea. Some sort of loyalty bonus.

or

Better reward for outnumbered realm getting kills. I remember in warhammer online their equivalent of WMC and RP were multiplied 5-10x when you were outnumbered, that included their equivalent of invasion.

Right now there is nothing to discourage the multis from joining the zerg realm (currently Syrtis). You gain nothing and receive no tangible recognition for staying with your small group of realm-mates.

Can't the same code that was used for war confidence be modified and extended realm wide, with it only factoring in players at lvl 50+?

[Telwe]

right from today's changelog:

" New: Warmaster Coins, Experience Points per kill related to server balance. Adjustments to take place soon after activity analysis."

this is good.

[Dumberest]

".

Right now there is nothing to discourage the multis from joining the zerg realm (currently Syrtis)

good to hear that goat zerg ended(even if only temporarily).they were so pr0 dancing on our dead bodies after zerging us 10 to 1 lolz

i watch the daily stats still and see the goat kill numbers are way down.i always suspected most were good times players,when it got hard they left for another game.

[Svarec]

good to hear that goat zerg ended(even if only temporarily).they were so pr0 dancing on our dead bodies after zerging us 10 to 1 lolz

i watch the daily stats still and see the goat kill numbers are way down.i always suspected most were good times players,when it got hard they left for another game.

Now are syrtis so pro dancing on dead bodies after killing them 10vs1, so what changed? Just color of zerging realm. Stupid players you can find in every realm.

[Telwe]

Probably its the same people switching back and forth.