Eli is Green :P

[Ira]

Eli of Alsius...no, no is syrtis...

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9742/screenshot2008011313453ex9.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8730/screenshot2008011313454we9.jpg

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[makarios68]

I tried to attack a "red" alsius player today..

[Godofsilver]

Eli might be red,
But I'm a nice silver gray ;)

[trulyem]

Cool SS..JAJA ELI IS A TREEHUMPER NOW

[Inkster]

While on our inner realm beach i saw Peluche pretending to be from ignis :guitar:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/Inkie_04/screenshot2008-01-1322_33_21.jpg

[Pizdzius]

This is the highest skill in Hunter Tree. I told you. Realm Disguise (5). You can even change the class :biggrin:

[Valorius]

Probably not the right thread for this, but:

Dwarf archers are ridiculous IMO. Especially LB using dwarf archers. They should be forced to use only shortbows. And before anyone screams "that's not fair!", neither is trying to find/select little knee height fat people in a wild battle. Likewise, they can hide behind almost anything.

Their very height is a very real and distinct advantage....it needs to be balanced. I say make the little buggers slower and restrict them to shortbows(which makes total sense- a longbow is taller than a dwarf to begin with).

EDIT TO ADD: Perhaps dwarven archers should only be able to use crossbows. ;)

[padreigh]

Probably not the right thread for this, but:

Elfen archers are ridiculous IMO. Especially those using pointed arrows. They should be forced to use only arrows with damage-10. And before anyone screams "that's not fair!", neither is having the highest dex possible on them so they deal more damage and hit better then any other archer.

Their high dex is a very real and distinct advantage....it needs to be balanced. I say allow only -10damage arrows for them(which makes total sense- they deal loads of damage and more accurate then any other archer).

Sorry Val, thats not an constructive post of me, but i get fed up with ridiculas(?) suggestions like that lately. Its a Game ... its fiction ... all this arguing from realworldterms is just °!"§%$!"%$. Every realm got some advantages .. target the dwarf earlier, hope for better targetting later in development ... not allowing dwarfen archers to use longbows will make balancing (from overall Hunter-Marks-Conju-Warlock-Knigh-Barb) even more difficult as you have to balance all (9?) races as well.

And no... my archer isnt dwarfish at all.

[Inkster]

they can hide behind almost anything.

Yes we can Including trees (nice tactic i stole from Syrtis) :biggrin:

[Pizdzius]

Sorry Val, thats not an constructive post of me, but i get fed up with ridiculas(?) suggestions like that lately. Its a Game ... its fiction ... all this arguing from realworldterms is just °!"§%$!"%$. Every realm got some advantages .. target the dwarf earlier, hope for better targetting later in development ... not allowing dwarfen archers to use longbows will make balancing (from overall Hunter-Marks-Conju-Warlock-Knigh-Barb) even more difficult as you have to balance all (9?) races as well.

And no... my archer isnt dwarfish at all.

Sorry dude but that was clearly a joke even for me ... chill out

[DkySven]

I didn't make my knight utgar because that's an easy class to select :) So Alsius is balanced.

[Valorius]

Probably not the right thread for this, but:

Elfen archers are ridiculous IMO. Especially those using pointed arrows. They should be forced to use only arrows with damage-10. And before anyone screams "that's not fair!", neither is having the highest dex possible on them so they deal more damage and hit better then any other archer.

Their high dex is a very real and distinct advantage....it needs to be balanced. I say allow only -10damage arrows for them(which makes total sense- they deal loads of damage and more accurate then any other archer).

Sorry Val, thats not an constructive post of me, but i get fed up with ridiculas(?) suggestions like that lately. Its a Game ... its fiction ... all this arguing from realworldterms is just °!"§%$!"%$. Every realm got some advantages .. target the dwarf earlier, hope for better targetting later in development ... not allowing dwarfen archers to use longbows will make balancing (from overall Hunter-Marks-Conju-Warlock-Knigh-Barb) even more difficult as you have to balance all (9?) races as well.

And no... my archer isnt dwarfish at all.
Well since you decided to flame me, let's look at the issue at hand.

Simply put, having a character that is 1/2 the height of everyone else with no inherent penalties IS AN ADVANTAGE, there is simply no way to dispute it.

The first obvious edge is that it's much easier for them to hide.

Secondly, have you ever tried to target a dwarf in a big melee scrum? (especially inside a fort). It is far more difficult to A) see them, and B) actually select them than it is to see and select 'growed up people'. That's a simple fact.

And i'm sorry, but i like realism in my games. Just because it's a 'fantasy game' doesn't mean that 'reality' need be suspended. IMO the very best games are the ones that are highly realistic even though they may be 'fantasy' based. A longbow is typically 4 1/2 or more feet tall. It is simply ridiculous to expect that they could ever effectively wield a weapon that is significantly taller than them. In reality, besides the obvious height problems a LB wielding dwarf would face, a dwarf's arm would not even be long enough to draw back a longbow fully, but i digress.

Dwarves right now have a very real and distinct advantadge over all other races, and it should be balanced, it's as simple as that. If regnum ever hopes to be truly balanced, this is a situation that must be addressed.

Really in virtually any fantasy genre, dwarves don't generally use bows, and certainly not longbows. If they use any ranged weapon, it'll pretty much be a crossbow or shortbow. And generally, dwarves are not mages in any given fantasy realm either.

Dwarves should be restricted to the fighter classes.

BTW, this part:

Their high dex is a very real and distinct advantage....it needs to be balanced.
It is balanced. Elves get less constitution (and i think strength) than other races do. Dwarves, for their reduced height, should run slower, and not be able to use longbows. You want to be able to hide behind a blade of grass? Fine...no longbows for you shorty! ;)

[Eli2]

And again a hijacked thread. :rale:
When will these discussions all end ...
Just play the game have some fun :sifflote:
Yes there are some imbalances between realms/races/classes.
But all that does not matter.
Its all about skill and communication. :metal:

Back to the topic:
Yes sometimes i am a bit green behind my ears.

[Comp]

I'd love to have a crossbow

[misaccc]

id love to be a midget:sifflote:

[Pizdzius]

id love to not continue sensless conversation about realism in fantasy game. xD

[Inkster]

I would still love to have boots, Im still treading in elf poo :biggrin:

[makarios68]

Probably not the right thread for this, but:

Dwarf archers are ridiculous IMO. Especially LB using dwarf archers. They should be forced to use only shortbows. And before anyone screams "that's not fair!", neither is trying to find/select little knee height fat people in a wild battle. Likewise, they can hide behind almost anything.

Their very height is a very real and distinct advantage....it needs to be balanced. I say make the little buggers slower and restrict them to shortbows(which makes total sense- a longbow is taller than a dwarf to begin with).

EDIT TO ADD: Perhaps dwarven archers should only be able to use crossbows. ;)

You may not be aware of this, but dwarf archers cannot shoot over the higher bits of the fort wall.

The slight advantage you talk about is balanced out by this.

And thankfully, i doubt NGD will take your advice and disallow long bows for dwarves.

I mean, come on, you talk about realism, but virtually nothing about the Regnum world is based on realism - that's because it's fantasy.

And if your post was a joke, sorry for not catching on...:biggrin:

[makarios68]

And another major disadvantage with dwarves is that they suck at climbing.

The taller classes get to climb atop those rocks and admire the view.

My dwarf can't even climb that damn log outside Aggersborg fort.

So unfair...:ohill:

In fact, take my long bow, i don't care, just let me climb!!!!!

[Valorius]

And again a hijacked thread. :rale:
When will these discussions all end ...
Just play the game have some fun :sifflote:
Yes there are some imbalances between realms/races/classes.
But all that does not matter.
Its all about skill and communication. :metal:

Back to the topic:
Yes sometimes i am a bit green behind my ears.
These discussions will all end when regnum is the most perfect video game ever produced.

Sheesh.

PS: The thread is not hijacked. All it takes to put any thread back "on message" is to post about the original point. As a long time moderator myself, i've never bought into the 'thread is hijacked' whining. ;)

Mak: My post was serious. BTW, tall people cant shoot over all parts of the walls either. I surely do hope regnum takes all suggestions seriously and at least considers them.

[Valorius]

Gotta double post, it wouldn't let me edit the last one.

Mak: Yes, i'm serious. Being 3 feet tall with no penalties is totally unfair to the big people.

I think dwarves should be in some ways penalized as listed in my above post, but i also think you should be harder to hit as well, because of your reduced size.

Just because a game is of the fantasy genre does not mean that things should not be realistic. The laws of physics can exist happily within a fantasy realm. A longbow using dwarf is ridiculous, fantasy world or not. It's stupid.

[adrianpf]

Look!

As soon Eli turned green, Emilia Night in Heaven :biggrin: followed him!

http://i32.servimg.com/u/f32/11/49/64/40/screen10.jpg

[Godofsilver]

You're serious? :looking:

Well then, I'm first up to ask how crazy you are...
How crazy are you???
Now that that's out of the way...

While you're at it, how about Elves can't use shortbows? I mean, it's so obvious with your "massive" dexterity that you would snap the bow in half, I mean, come on, you guys outnumber us anyway!

P.S. I'm "serious"
P.P.S. So the dwarves are masters at smithing and such, we can make bows out of bone and make a shortbow that shoots futher than your wood bows :biggrin:

[Skjringsaal]

ELI CABRA TRAIDORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ¬¬ O.o

[Ira]

Look!

As soon Eli turned green, Emilia Night in Heaven :biggrin: followed him!

http://i32.servimg.com/u/f32/11/49/64/40/screen10.jpg

Noooooooouuuu :ohill: :ohill: :ohill:

[trulyem]

Wiiiii thx for the pics, I wanna save them in a folder :D
Upload them to Valhalla site. :D

[padreigh]

Dwarven archers simply use sturdier bows with smaller arms on it, due to theire immense strenght and constitution they make the bow shoot that far because -yes- of theire strength. You weak elfes need longer arms on your bows for that, dwarfs simply use thicker ones and pull a bit harder. so both gain range 30.

Dont let the fact that models for all bows got arms of the same length disturb this simple argumentation. Im sure shorter dwarfenonly bows will come before 2100 and allow us to hide behind trees with bows the ready without bowarms sticking out at all. Its kinda unfair as it is. And yes, if they include fitting models dwarfen shortbows would even be more short then the ones the elfes need, its easy as that. The thing about hiding behind some grass is nonsense ... all alsian dwarfs i saw were far too fat to do such a thing ... or is it our gras thats so thin because of our hard climate? dunno ... dont care

;o) enough physics and logic in that statement?

[Inkster]

First of all id like to apologize for going off topic.

Ok heres my 10 euro worth, please look at this picture

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/Inkie_04/ChildArcher.jpg

This is as you can see a child of about 7 years of age, about the same height as a real life dwarf. You can also see that this child is using a longbow even though he would be weaker than a real life adult with dwarfism.

Therefore problem solved, Dwarves can use longbows. If anything, as elves are apparently of a slighter build than other races, They should have the penalty of not using longbows as they are too weak to draw the bowstring, similarary their knights should have aluminum armor and weapons for same reasons :D

[Pizdzius]

First of all id like to apologize for going off topic.

Ok heres my 10 euro worth, please look at this picture

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/Inkie_04/ChildArcher.jpg

This is as you can see a child of about 7 years of age, about the same height as a real life dwarf. You can also see that this child is using a longbow even though he would be weaker than a real life adult with dwarfism.

Therefore problem solved, Dwarves can use longbows. If anything, as elves are apparently of a slighter build than other races, They should have the penalty of not using longbows as they are too weak to draw the bowstring, similarary their knights should have aluminum armor and weapons for same reasons :D


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