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[Zemepanda]

here's a question for le community of lovely regnum players

why do ngd players think you have seniority over gamesamba players and are better in any way than them?

and if you're willin to go the extra mile here's a bonus question

does knowing a lot of useless information about the good old days of regnum make you better at this game?

[VandaMan]

I'll bite, even though I'm both an NGD and GameSamba player...

In my opinion the majority of the players who think like this are either just trying to fit in with their friends who think like this, or are just mediocre to poor players who will jump on any opportunity to make themselves feel like they're pr0.

Before Raven, all the Ra players who came to Horus were called newbs, because their server was bigger and they only know how to play in zergs. Horus players were supposedly better because being on a small player taught you to have individual skills without relying on numbers. Suddenly the players from an even smaller server are thrown in the mix, and that logic goes out the door - Raven players are newbs because their server was so small they only know how to grind, kill grinders, and camp forts.

Truth is the whole thing is just utterly ridiculous, because the vast majority of Raven players either came from Horus to play on Raven, or played on both Raven and Horus before the merge.

[Shwish]

It comes down to the fact that most Horus players have no idea what happens on the Raven server. From what I've read, they believe Raven was full of ponies and rainbows and all we did was blow kisses at each other all day.

Most of these comments would come from players who didn't even bother playing the server for more than a day if not at all. If I had a choice, I would chose the old Raven over Haven any day.

People need to get over the fact that we can from different servers. Its not as bad as it was around the merge time, the Horus players has come to accept us so whoever pissed you off enough to make this post was probably just trolling you.

[Kitsuni]

It does not make me better at the game, because the game mechanics have changed so much over time (not always for the better), that the information I have gained from years of playing is basically useless. For example, the majority of my playtime occured in the first two years of the game since beta where all movement was WASD only (no mouse turn/click), and archers and mages didn't stop to cast while moving.

So to summarize: No, this does not make older players better, or even more intelligent. Not because they aren't smart, or don't know what to do , but simply because NGD changes the core mechanics of the game so much (especially in Warmasters update) that that information is rendered largely useless. It helps, but not as much as it would've during those times.

What is really happening is these players just miss the old ways, are caught in endless nostalgia about it and will always believe it to be superior. This happens in real life too. And in some cases; its' correct; the new ways are often worse due to less thought being put into their production and implementation. And I can sympathise with these players too, because the new generation always thinks they are "elite" because they've played an OP class for six months and filmed lots of "hunting" videos.

No offense to such players; but it doesn't exactly make them better than the "annoying" people who go on about the past.

So the root of this problem is in the game design, repeated server creations/transfers/mergers/re-levelling a billion characters, staleness and needing to find some reason to continue playing a game that is now six years old since its original beta phase begun.

Disclaimer: I played on Raven, and it was a pretty good server except when NGD screwed up the save system, along with broken WM powers and infinite XP boosts from GS which lead to rediculous amounts of alt-grinding. After that I found the atmosphere from players became very bitter, and in most cases players from Raven were acting more bitter and nasty than those from Horus, whereas prior to the stressful changes the players that I encountered in Raven were very nice and outgoing. I had originally played to move to Raven permanently before the advent of what I consider Regnum to have ended as it was - at WM update. What can you say? People get better when they go through crappy things, its a part of life. Its neither server's fault, and its not the players' fault.

I will say that too many people are concerned about who is right or wrong; they're too busy disproving or trolling people to make friends instead of enemies.

[JainFarstrider]

I think a big reason for Horus players hating Ravenites is because of bad experiences with GMs. It's easy to feel like this new company (Gamesamba) and new group of people are invading and impressing their ideas on the Horus RO players.

[71175]

Cap's Opinion:
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[bois]

Question one , how many old Horus players actually feel this way ? A few empty barrels do make a lot of noise but it does not mean there are a lot of them. If it is a small minority of players spouting that opinion, I don't consider it 'Horus players'. That is just individual bias. It does not require a stereotype.
In such case consider them trolls and just use ignore command if they piss you off. Simple. Besides, if you know you are on equal footing or maybe even better, why do you even care about their opinion? Write it off and make your skills on the battlefield do the talking.

Question two. It does not, mostly. Many old tactics are not relevant. However, some basic ones do still work. Mechanics have changed a lot and sometimes (in my antiquated opinion) for the worst.
With that said, it is always a benefit to put both old and new excessive egos aside to try tactics both new and old. Ego is one thing both Horus and Havenites have in abundance.
Is it that hard to listen and integrate what works and drop what does not ? So what if some player waxes warm with emotional content. Simply edit that out and use the relevant stuff. I'll forgive those being battered by teenage (or post teenage) hormones if they are not able to do that.
Sue me if I am nostalgic. I played a long time through many iterations and I believe I am in a position to judge what worked better from a fun standpoint. So If I mope and cry a little it is because the game had so many uniques that were gradually eroded over time to make a more generic MMO. In a few cases, the game devolved instead of evolved. That is probably the only thing very new players may not quite grasp. It is the experience of watching the game grow and evolve and actually knowing what was gained and lost over the years.
For that , I will never regret being a nostasgic, creeking old veteran. Its been a nice ride.

I don't think I am any better than players from another server. Actually, I don't care about who comes from where including other realms on the same server, it is such a non issue for me.

The questions are trollish but I think they deserved a response.

[Zemepanda]

why the assumptions i'm mad? o.o

i already quit the game (http://www.gamesamba.com/forum/ro-general-discussion/zeme-is-done-for-now-t5657.html?sid=e3fcfe97f98a1d87463ea04d2478cd96), just curious


oh and the responses are very good so far anyone else wanna contribute?

[Raoh]

NGD players dislike GameSamba players , from what Ive been told, because GS players had things handed to them on a silver platter. GMs that tanked Boss and SuperBoss mobs, 200% and 500% realm wide boosts for days at a time, and contests and activities. These are all things that NGD has not given to its userbase, yet GameSamba willing gave its user base all this.

Resentment plain and simple. If you get what others dont, and others become jealous of it, sure signs of superiority are going to play a role in it.

"Oh, Ravenites suck, I grinded my knight to level 60 with no boost events, only 50% boost scrolls, and with no dedicated conj. That makes me 100 times the player that any Ravenite is, because I respect what Ive earned. Those idiots just bought their way to high levels, and gear, and they had GM and GC help with their bosses."

This kind of rationale is why there is a divide between NGD originating users and GS originating users.

And its a totally asinine and retarded way to think. Game is a game. Ive seen Ravenites that are 5 times a skilled as any NGD player. And Ive seen the opposite as well.

Nothing to see here. These arent the droids your looking for. Go about Your business. Move along....Move along.

http://thechristiannerd.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/jedimind.jpg

[Shwish]

why the assumptions i'm mad? o.o

i already quit the game (http://www.gamesamba.com/forum/ro-general-discussion/zeme-is-done-for-now-t5657.html?sid=e3fcfe97f98a1d87463ea04d2478cd96), just curious


oh and the responses are very good so far anyone else wanna contribute?

Just a quick question. Where you expecting a response from the guy who said this:

As far as I'm concerned, GS forum users should be seen and not heard, preferably not even seen if possible. Bugger off.

If you were then I think he quit.

[Ulti19]

Players that think they're better because they played on another server are players you shouldn't pay much attention to. I remember when horus and raven fused and i kept reading oh those raven noobs, don't listen to them they play bad. And many raven players calling us elitist etc, we think we're good just because we play long. I was like wtf, we're on the same team, just more players.
And just because you play for years and years doesn't make you a good player. This game changes so much each year, if you don't adjust and keep playing with the nostalgic memory of "oh but this is how we used to do it", you get pwnd.

[Zemepanda]

just a quick answer nope just curious

[Cannas]

Bye bye zeme

[Shwish]

Players that think they're better because they played on another server are players you shouldn't pay much attention to. I remember when horus and raven fused and i kept reading oh those raven noobs, don't listen to them they play bad. And many raven players calling us elitist etc, we think we're good just because we play long. I was like wtf, we're on the same team, just more players.
And just because you play for years and years doesn't make you a good player. This game changes so much each year, if you don't adjust and keep playing with the nostalgic memory of "oh but this is how we used to do it", you get pwnd.

That's aside from the fact that most Raven players, including myself, played Horus (and Ra) for many years before joining Raven.

[Eyfura]

I have not noticed very much Raven and Horus players are divided. At least in syrtis, I think we get along pretty good. But as expected, most raven players kept their raven clans and horus players kept their horus clans, which might look like we are divided. But at this point, as being horus player I might fail to see it from Raven player perspective.
In fact, I have joined to Raven clan. It is great, got to know nice people with who I enjoy to play the game, great humor and so on. Personal qualities matter more than that how long someone has played, as long as new players are friendly and willing to learn how this game works I have no problem with them.
Good to remember there are always some arrogant jerks. Have met some from horus but also from raven. It is not only one-sided. If you notice people don't like you, take a look at mirror and think about your own behavior, because it is most likely not related to that from which server you came. Saying this from my own experience, now when thinking I might also say things a bit too rudely which may cause sometimes problems between people.

I think though we met some culture differences when servers merged, but that was expected too. We(syrtis) started to use mounts more when moving as zerg and sometimes grouped badly which annoyed some players. But I guess by now most are used to this. And those who are not, in time they should be too.

[ieti]

Server merges bring some changes. And ofc with changes some people get more nervous.

Me for example. I got a little more whiny and/or grumpy when i saw the initial anarchy and zergy rides. But now things get slowly back to normal and calm down.

The changes new people bring are nice and funny. I remember when Tyr ru**ers :P got merged. They bringed the jokes the fun and strange language in general. Raven's bringed the rides and little more anarchy, but hey it is game ment to be fun.

Do not take things so seriously after all. :D

[time-to-die]

The changes new people bring are nice and funny. I remember when Tyr ru**ers :P got merged. They bringed the jokes the fun and strange language in general

Mhmhm rukkers!?!?!?!?!!!

[ieti]

/me looks at the ceiling... :rolleyes2:

[Rising_Cold]

the players who say they are better than ravens are idiots
the ravens who say they are better than horus players are idiots

in the end we are all a bunch of idiots.. problem solved :angel1:


thats just my way of looking at it.. horus had idiots, raven had itiots
haven just has twice as much idiots..

good part is the nice guys have doubled too ^^
frankly, i wouldnt make such a big deal out of the *lots of bad words* some players sell

[Wield_II]

What is raven?

[TheBarbarianAlsius]

I'm from Raven.

something very silly is to think that all of a server are rookies.


you think that raven's are rookies, challenge you to make me a pvp.


but a truth without rage of fury pvp, ms, and other things that use them have no ability

[_Seinvan]

Raven, for me, was a great server. A fresh start, new faces, the grinding was quicker, warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most, maybe even less. Invasions were actually tough to pull off at first. Realm balance wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.. The game was just a lot more fun.

People can say we were handed things on a silver platter, but I'm not complaining. Nothing wrong with free mounts/boosters for participating in events/promo codes (ujelly?) and grinding isn't even the point of this game >.< Some horus players act like grinding 10 million exp without server boosts makes you a pr0, and it's kind of stupid xD The only reason I think some Horus people are so concerned with Raven in its entirety is GameSamba and what they brought to the table post-merge. I can't say I disagree with them, but hey, it's kind of nice having an active community of GMs to resolve some of your more minor issues in-game rather than relying on NGD's support tickets, right? :D

I need to stop lurking here, I told myself I'd quit already. :bangin:

[Southbound]

Raven, for me, was a great server. A fresh start, new faces, the grinding was quicker, warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most, maybe even less. Invasions were actually tough to pull off at first. Realm balance wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.. The game was just a lot more fun.

People can say we were handed things on a silver platter, but I'm not complaining. Nothing wrong with free mounts/boosters for participating in events/promo codes (ujelly?) and grinding isn't even the point of this game >.< Some horus players act like grinding 10 million exp without server boosts makes you a pr0, and it's kind of stupid xD The only reason I think some Horus people are so concerned with Raven in its entirety is GameSamba and what they brought to the table post-merge. I can't say I disagree with them, but hey, it's kind of nice having an active community of GMs to resolve some of your more minor issues in-game rather than relying on NGD's support tickets, right? :D

I need to stop lurking here, I told myself I'd quit already. :bangin:

Wow! xD

"and grinding isn't even the point of this game".. But still you decided to abandon your 50+ char to do it alla again?

And you keep on saying: " warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most"??

Ehm, NGD had already set the rules for the game... were you actually so naive that you didnt think that Raven would grow up and Warmaster would emerge EVENTUALLY??

@ON TOPIC:
I personally never saw myself as greater or better then anyone that started their first char on Raven.
What did annoy the crap out of me tho: was all the "dumbfucks" leaving old Horus, because The grass is always greener on the other side! "I´m gonna start over from lvl 1, and EVERYTHING is gonna be so awesome!"

I would understand if ppl left Horus to get back on Ra or , for the central europeeans, Valhalla (or older Nifl/Musp).
At least there they would get a fresh start AND a flowing gameplay!
Now they picked a "Hello Kitty" server where they thought they´d get a headstart from knowing the game from before

[Awrath]

Wow! xD

"and grinding isn't even the point of this game".. But still you decided to abandon your 50+ char to do it alla again?

And you keep on saying: " warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most"??

Ehm, NGD had already set the rules for the game... were you actually so naive that you didnt think that Raven would grow up and Warmaster would emerge EVENTUALLY??

@ON TOPIC:
I personally never saw myself as greater or better then anyone that started their first char on Raven.
What did annoy the crap out of me tho: was all the "dumbfucks" leaving old Horus, because The grass is always greener on the other side! "I´m gonna start over from lvl 1, and EVERYTHING is gonna be so awesome!"

I would understand if ppl left Horus to get back on Ra or , for the central europeeans, Valhalla (or older Nifl/Musp).
At least there they would get a fresh start AND a flowing gameplay!
Now they picked a "Hello Kitty" server where they thought they´d get a headstart from knowing the game from before

And who are you to decide how one chooses to have fun?

There is no divide. The end.

[VandaMan]

Ehm, NGD had already set the rules for the game... were you actually so naive that you didnt think that Raven would grow up and Warmaster would emerge EVENTUALLY??

Well actually, we were told by Raven GMs that WarMaster were disabled on their server, and would only be activated if/when they thought it was balanced and the server was ready. This was a lie, sadly, but I still had a much better time in the 6 months before the first WarMasters arrived than I would've on Horus.

What did annoy the crap out of me tho: was all the "dumbfucks" leaving old Horus, because The grass is always greener on the other side! "I´m gonna start over from lvl 1, and EVERYTHING is gonna be so awesome!"

Everything actually was "so awesome." The grass was indeed greener, and I'd move to a new server again in an instant, if they told us it would be WarMaster free. It's a shame that it turned out just like Horus in the end, but was still worth my time. And all the "dumbfucks" didn't leave old Horus, they left new Horus. Raven was more like old Horus than post-warmasters Horus was.

Now they picked a "Hello Kitty" server where they thought they´d get a headstart from knowing the game from before

I think this is precisely the attitude Zeme is talking about. "Hello Kitty" server..? XP boost events and less grinding to reach warzone = "hello kitty?" I don't get it. And I never moved there to get a head start, or to pwn all the newbz that had never played before, I moved to play without multiple nightly invasions by zergs of 70+, and without warmasters. I suspect the rest moved for basically the same thing.

I don't see how there it makes any difference to you which server people move to.

[_Seinvan]

Wow! xD

"and grinding isn't even the point of this game".. But still you decided to abandon your 50+ char to do it alla again?

And you keep on saying: " warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most"??

Ehm, NGD had already set the rules for the game... were you actually so naive that you didnt think that Raven would grow up and Warmaster would emerge EVENTUALLY??

The difference was you had to work harder to get warmasters on Raven (no boats, the noble quest wasn't daily like it was at first when warmasters were first released, and getting your 30/30 often took more than a day). And even when more and more of them showed up, not every fight involved beacons like it does on Haven now. For a good long time, there was some kind of unwritten rule between the majority of Raven players that warmaster powers sucked and were only used for invasions (cuz no boatz), probably because most players who moved there hated those powers xD

Grinding wasn't hard on Raven, why wouldn't I level up another alt? I had a bunch of free boosters that stacked with server boosts. Besides, people leveled alts on Horus too, so I don't see the point in that argument :P It was just a lot easier on Raven.

aaaaaaand:

I think this is precisely the attitude Zeme is talking about. "Hello Kitty" server..? XP boost events and less grinding to reach warzone = "hello kitty?" I don't get it. And I never moved there to get a head start, or to pwn all the newbz that had never played before, I moved to play without multiple nightly invasions by zergs of 70+, and without warmasters. I suspect the rest moved for basically the same thing.

That ^

[TheBarbarianAlsius]

"hello kitty" server. you know that the only thing people do is speak without knowing.


1. those who are "beta" in raven, did not have any kind of bonus, they sometimes placed 50% for 1 hour if you had luck. Even so, we graduated our characters.

2. in raven had no boats not many people from other kingdoms, therefore be wm was 80 times more difficult than in Ra/Horus. Also was much more easy to defend the wall, and much more difficult to break it. because as they were a few characters, the guards played a very good role, not as now that they are useless.

[Shwish]

And you keep on saying: " warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most"??

Actually Raven had their fair share of warmasters, the only difference is that we only used beacons at invasions. It was extremely rare to see a beacon being used at a fort war.

[Raoh]

Actually Raven had their fair share of warmasters, the only difference is that we only used beacons at invasions. It was extremely rare to see a beacon being used at a fort war.

Ive seen more than a share of Horus players tossing up beacons at oh, I dunno, Daen Rhaa, at a bridge fight thats being lost, even tossing up for a stupid zerg fight.

[JainFarstrider]

Being handed xp boosts on Raven is not the fault of the Ravenites. I can't imagine anyone grinding 45+ and when an xp boost comes on say "nope, this isn't fair for the other servers. I don't except this."

Hating on Ravenites just because of the GS's decisions doesn't really make sense once you step back and think about it, although I do admit it feels extremely infuriating when others get to snag rewards that you've never been given even though you've been playing considerably longer than them.

Also, the line between Horus-Raven players is dissolving, even if it isn't noticable at a glance. I find Ignis barely - meaning 0.5% of the time, even mentioning server differences or feuds. Most of the arguments are drunk people angry annoyed at why they didn't get rezzed first or buffed.

The only reason that I would get annoyed about Ravenites is when I discuss with another Horus player about the 'Old Days' when so much was different (hunting and later the old forts), and some Ravenite will proceed to tell me I am an elitist or noob to think that Pre-Invasions was better than Haven. I guess I get mad because I feel sentimental about those times and I miss the crews from back then.

As a Horus-Ignis player I've learned to expect the unexpected from NGD and other things. For example, the 'Ignis is underpopulated and gets beaten all the time' usually is a phase. We have our ups and downs. Sometimes Syrtis gets terrible times too. But when some Ravenite comes along and tells me what the situation really is with a 'knowitall' attitude, I think that's what gets people ticked.

[Brother-brian]

I, for one, haven't heard a whole lot about NGD players being any better than GS players. There is a comeraderie among older players, who may have met each other long ago, and reminiscing about how the game used to be is, well.... enjoyable. Not unlike looking though an old photo album with kids or grandkids.

Everyone likes to have someone else to point a finger at, though... especially whenever a big change happens that is not well received. New players that come with an unwelcome change are bound to be looked at with disdain, at least initailly.

As pathetic as this game has gotten in recent months, there really are better things to get upset about, imho, than whether players are from which server. A really nice balance update and spells that worked might help alleviate much of such attitudes.