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Epon
10-13-2012, 02:57 PM
I know its not really up to me to say, but...

Recently Pointer made a post about the situation in amun. A large new graphical update and an introduction to the Mail system/Aution House....

I was actually glad to hear something about an update again... and i went on amun and it looked actually pretty... But not where i want to post this thread for..

I scrolled down trough the reactions on pointer... almost all of them were negative whining posts. *whine whine balance whine whine*, well if you have a look on the roadmap and chilko's posts it 'll say the balance / wm spell balance is planned for december. And you can catch up just by reading that the negative reactions they get from the community really disencourages it...

pointer requested us to allert them of bugs and all that such, not further complaining about the imbalance/gameplay problems...

we just have to wait

i suggest you, give ngd some positive feedback too ^^ don't whine too much about a free game, you don't have to play it :)

Casting_beast
10-13-2012, 05:01 PM
Well, dear OP, for me realm balance is essential for enjoying/playing RO, class imbalance is secondary and only after that comes graphic and such (tho i can live with current class imbalances since after all i can play another class). Imbalance between realms wasnt the best for a long time, after the merge between horus and raven it got even worse, and now its just unacceptable.
If there is no realm balance, it does not matter whether they provide me a hyper-super, mega-uber graphic and the same environment with living trees and water effect etc. or not, i WILL NOT play the game because its not fun, only frustration is around all time for me with nice eye candies.... That is just not enough, and sry if i was whining :(.

iBoss
10-13-2012, 09:15 PM
Okay, I guess I'll be the first one to ask.

Who's Pointer.

Quincebo
10-14-2012, 10:30 AM
Okay, I guess I'll be the first one to ask.

Who's Pointer.

Ponter (http://regnumonline.com.ar/forum/member.php?u=217442) is an NGD employee

Rising_Cold
10-14-2012, 05:21 PM
i agree tho

I do think the 'going off topic' stuff is getting worse by the minute
I know RO is screwed up and balance is the most important thing for the currently playing people

but if we keep acting like spoiled kids and complain and whine in every topic
how do you think NGD will react?
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I mean.. how would you react to that? :s

standistortion
10-14-2012, 05:41 PM
OMG winter, don't you ever stop complaining? ( :P joking)

I've been on another forum a lot lately (bitcointalk) that's overrun with shill's. Don't thing there are enough english speakers on this forum any more for shill's to hide amongst but they where here in the past and some other game forums are full of them.

Couple of articles relevant to them:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/the-15-rules-of-internet-disinformation.html
http://the2012scenario.com/2012/10/i-was-a-paid-internet-shill/

Don't think its an issue now but from everything Chilko's been posting NGD could be working on "that" update and if they get it right this could become a busy place.

Off topic and derogatory forum posts are often a method of discrediting a product or service and its a big business, discrediting a competitors product is often as effective as promoting your own.

Hopeakettu
10-14-2012, 08:22 PM
It's true that there's a lot of rage recently, but it's not just pointless whining. I see the biggest problem in the lack of communication on part of NGD (a little improvement these days thanks to Chilko).

With forum lacking replies to players' suggestions etc. it naturally gives people the feeling that NGD is ignoring them or they're inactive. I'm sure the community would appreciate increased presence of NGD representatives on forum. Even a single reply to suggestions could win you more positive feedback (something like: "Okay, my suggestion would be hard to implement, but at least they cared to read through it and think about it, maybe they'll even add it in the future...").

Otherwise, thumbs up for you Chilko - hoping to see more posts from you :thumb:

Kitsuni
10-14-2012, 08:38 PM
God forbid that paying customers complain that they can't leave their save without dying horribly.

Rising_Cold
10-15-2012, 08:17 AM
God forbid that paying customers complain that they can't leave their save without dying horribly.

xD

Im not saying they shouldnt complain.. how would NGD know how horrible it is to play (sometimes)
after all.. I do think that the players who are currently playing only have 2 reasons
-bought too much xim to just walk away
-have great friends in the community which makes them stay

they're not staying coz of gameplay or because the game looks so good :p

still I do think they shouldnt complain in every topic making everything you read
pure negative feedback on everything :s

standistortion
10-15-2012, 08:56 AM
xD
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after all.. I do think that the players who are currently playing only have 2 reasons
-bought too much xim to just walk away
-have great friends in the community which makes them stay

they're not staying coz of gameplay or because the game looks so good :p
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pure negative feedback on everything :s

Both reasons are true but I think just as many are hanging around and checking the updates because they know RO has huge potential, so much that they'll wait years for "that" update instead of just deleting the bookmarks and checking what's new on the MMO sites. The population explodes with every big update, when the servers merged there where some battles on raven with hundreds of players. NGD don't need to promote RO to get a big player base, they just need to make the changes players have been asking for.

JainFarstrider
10-15-2012, 09:54 AM
Balance is desperately needed, I think everyone agrees on that, but the OP is correct. NGD have worked, still works, and will work at their own pace, regardless of how many people post how upset they are about how slow it is.

Constructive criticism, on the other hand, could really help RO push towards where the community wants it to go and where it needs to go.

Destructive/off-topic comments (for example stupid memes that are out of context) both towards other players OR NGD gets RO nowhere. NGD may not care about what one posts, but the chances of them listening to that person gets slimmer and slimmer by the amount of rage posts that he posts.

As for balance threads, the thought underneath them is nice and well-meant, but they usually end up in flame wars or no one in development looks at them.

Kitsuni
10-15-2012, 10:02 AM
Balance is desperately needed, I think everyone agrees on that, but the OP is correct. NGD have worked, still works, and will work at their own pace, regardless of how many people post how upset they are about how slow it is.

Constructive criticism, on the other hand, could really help RO push towards where the community wants it to go and where it needs to go.

Destructive/off-topic comments (for example stupid memes that are out of context) both towards other players OR NGD gets RO nowhere. NGD may not care about what one posts, but the chances of them listening to that person gets slimmer and slimmer by the amount of rage posts that he posts.

As for balance threads, the thought underneath them is nice and well-meant, but they usually end up in flame wars or no one in development looks at them.
I've been around since mid-2007 and I can honestly tell you that NGD has only listened a few times, and then they have always turned around a month later and undid all the changes that helped the game (e.g WM update just after a balance update). I'd advice people not to blame players; it is not their fault, they've been going through this for a long time and become very bitter. They've done the whole "we're going to have hope again" thing so many times...

It has never mattered how constructive players are, NGD will still only listen to 10% of it and do 90% random things that nobody likes. Don't be so quick to defend a company, who, in the past, answered negative critisisms with "good advice" which told us to go play other games instead. There are good reasons people act the way that they do, and asking them to change yet again won't solve anything. This thread whining at people is no better than people whining at NGD.

Awrath
10-15-2012, 10:23 AM
I've been around since mid-2007 and I can honestly tell you that NGD has only listened a few times, and then they have always turned around a month later and undid all the changes that helped the game (e.g WM update just after a balance update). I'd advice people not to blame players; it is not their fault, they've been going through this for a long time and become very bitter. They've done the whole "we're going to have hope again" thing so many times...

It has never mattered how constructive players are, NGD will still only listen to 10% of it and do 90% random things that nobody likes.

Be lucky anyone is still playing by this point, let alone saying anything to NGD at all, it doesn't matter if its good or bad, its still a privilge considering there are a million better games out there for Windows and in recent times even Linux has better games due to Humble Indie Bundle etc.

Don't be so quick to defend a company, who, in the past, answered negative critisisms with "good advice" which told us to go play other games instead.

I understand the point you are making, believe me I am not the biggest fan of NGD's choices of changes for this game nor am I a fan of some of NGD's responses, i.e. chilko complaining about the English forum, not the most professional moment from him. Does he have a right to complain? Perhaps, but as a developer he needs to take the stick and work out why people are unhappy.

I do believe the WM update was NGD's biggest mistake. An ill thought out expansion, in fact, an expansion that wasn't even finished and even today, I believe this expansion isn't complete. Another moment of leap first look later. 1.6.7 was very enjoyable, the class balance was a lot better than it had been, then boom, extra 20 power points for all. Bah. Still annoys me.

This being said, I have to disagree. One thing that keeps me on this game is the unique RvR aspect, which I have not found in another game (but then, I am not much of a gamer). Yes, it became worse with the introduction of beacons, but I am still having enough fun to continue investing in Ximerin, for now. I recently created a character in Ignis after getting extremely tired of zerging everything, and fun is back on the menu!

With regards to the OP. People have every right to whine and complain, be it a free game or a paid game. Complaints in the real world lead to solutions in most cases, for the complaints that are valid anyway. So, it's a normal thing to do, except in our case, our genuine complaints are disregarded, so there is no solution, as a result people get more agitated and complaints rise. This being said, there is a time and place to complain, and I do agree that NGD's Amun testing thread isn't one of them, but hey, when they ignore the actual complaints thread, what can people do ;).

In conclusion, the current situation in the forum is ultimately NGD's own doing. They need to reply to suggestions, even if they disagree, say why and move on to the next one. Some acknowledgement of the issues the majority of players have with current game mechanics would go a long way.

standistortion
10-15-2012, 11:13 AM
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i.e. chilko complaining about the English forum, not the most professional moment from him.
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That's another point maybe worth mentioning. When I started playing there was still a feeling of playing a game made by some regular folks for the fun of it but there has been a constant shift towards a commercial product from a professional game studio competing with every other MMO for your bucks.

NGD has a large player base waiting for "that" update but I don't think that player base wants a "pay to win" commercial game. I've always considered xim a contribution to the developers and I don't think I'm alone but maybe that just doesn't pay. Unfortunately NGD doesn't do professional well, a player that left a year ago as "player of the week" and Alsius with 4 gems on the map (lol) are some good examples of that. If NGD want a commercial game then they'll need to clean up everything and present a polished and professional corporate image everywhere. Personally I hope they don't, I hope they listen to their existing player base and turn RO into the kick ass indie RvR game it should be, warts and all. Poorly thought out comments from the dev's and obviously broken stuff everywhere haven't put that player base off so far, they're only human at the end of the day and it's the action we want.

JainFarstrider
10-15-2012, 11:47 AM
@Kitsunie - I agree that NGD hasn't been listening a lot, but the fact that people whine about RO and expect NGD to dig through their whining to get a solution isn't very realistic. I'm not angry or upset that players do this, because I can understand why they feel frustrated. What I'm trying to say is that it won't help RO, and that they shouldn't think it will help. I try my best not to whine. :)

@Awrath - From what I've read from their blogs and whatnot, NGD doesn't seem like a very big OR uber-professional team. Yeah, it's not professional, but I can understand how Chillko can get discouraged/exasperated by many of the forum posts.

@Standistortion - Agree with you. Although I think NGD does get a chunk of money from partners and investors, so they aren't hanging by a thread. Doesn't mean that they're raking in cash though.