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Old 05-20-2010, 02:41 PM   #1
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You're absolutely right about how religion should be presented in an historical context. The problem is it isn't done that way.

It's done in more like a "God is an accompanying lesson" to the history as opposed to a "this is a people, these were their beliefs" sort of fashion. The people that wrote the founding documents of this country were "heavily influenced by their faith" totally leaving out men like John Locke and Thomas Jefferson. It's just fucking ridiculous to be perfectly honest.
I've gotta ask though; are you being fair to both sides in this?

Is it really "God is an accompanying lesson", or is that a preconception or stereotype of the position of Christian conservatives?

I think it's interesting that while Jefferson was not a 'Christian' (in the traditional sense), he was 'heavily influenced by his faith'. I think his creation of his own version of the Bible would be a testament to that. To me, this points to just how much greater the role of faith/belief was in most people's lives in centuries past.

As to Locke, I'm more a fan of Rousseau myself... and I'm not talking about the characters from Lost.
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Old 05-20-2010, 05:44 PM   #2
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My apologies, there was a typo that changed the context of what I was talking about. Amend that to "God AS an accompanying lesson."

Also what I meant was that instead of saying "these men were heavily influenced by their beliefs" it is turned into "the US was founded on these beliefs". Also, men like John Locke and Thomas Jefferson are being removed and having their roles played down to suit the conservative ideology.
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My apologies, there was a typo that changed the context of what I was talking about. Amend that to "God AS an accompanying lesson."

Also what I meant was that instead of saying "these men were heavily influenced by their beliefs" it is turned into "the US was founded on these beliefs". Also, men like John Locke and Thomas Jefferson are being removed and having their roles played down to suit the conservative ideology.
I think this is where a 'good history teacher' needs to come in.

All history is to some degree biased. A 'good' teacher can use this to bring out interest, engagement... and sometimes righteous anger in their students. All excellent fo breaking people out of their apathy

There is a 'liberal ideology' as well though, and I would critique both ends of this spectrum. The idea that faith was a purely negative or absent element in the founding of America is also false.


Besides that though... where did the idea that something taught in school will change student thinking come from? This is true only if parents are silent at home. We cannot blame society and schools if it is WE who have have given up all role in our children's education. Parents should be discussing religion, race, poverty, politics and other 'touchy' matters with their children.

This will help them see how human, messed up and fallible WE are huahahahaha.
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