Could Syrtis borrow us some archers?

[Piggly]

Marks are definitely support. This only works when we give a crap about who we're playing with. If I am thrown to the dogs more than once by the same group, expect the same in return. More than once I have been killed by guards when others more suited stand around...and yeah, I run. I don't run from battles. I will turn and fight, and usually die, but I won't leave my mates.

A marks just can't do well alone. We NEED everyone else. I can hit stuff an awful long ways away, but don't hold up so well when a barb is smacking me around. Mana is an issue, but it is for everyone. I just have to learn to manage it more effectively.

When we are getting farmed by huge gelf presence at samal, it is incredibly easy to start pointing fingers. I have gone repeatedly into battle against huge forces there and died dozens of times at one battle. When there is no cohesion, we all die.

To me, it's not about the weaknesses of the individual classes, or the inability of the players. It's about leadership. I will latch on to an older player and try to do what he or she does. That's how I learn.

When some snooty bitch starts talking about how archers suck, or conjus suck, it just makes me type in /ignore and chalk it up to another spoiled baby that wants to blame everyone else in the world for their own inability to form a cohesive unit.

Of one thing you can usually be sure...when you see an Ignis zerg, there is death coming to someone. When it clicks, it clicks quite nicely. When it doesn't, that same epic zerg will die embarrassingly fast.

It's not about 'you suck' or 'they suck.'

[Dome]

1. Marx aint support. I dont wanna see a marx spam cc spells. IM FED UP WITH STUPID MARX FREEZING THE TARGET I AMBUSHED!!!. If marx want cc spells use dizzy arrow, but I emphasize. DO NOT USE FREEZE unless you are running away from the target.

2. Hunters are support. Hunters aint useless in fort fights. BUT. Most hunters on horus (dunno about ra) ARE usless. They just run around under SOTW shoting with their stupid bow, doing pathetic damage. And thats what marx are for.

3. Dupa is half right, and I would like to ask him to post a list of cc spells he as a warrior would like to see from a hunter/marx.
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[dejan]

/me facepalms after reading Dome's reply...

Marksmen ARE support - our main job is to defend warriors in battles, and that is why Dupa wants more marksmen in Ignis. I can only agree, but I must say Alsius needs more marksmen than Ignis - you have more marksmen then them, much more. And, you have lots of good marksmen too.

Problem with Ignis is, I suppose, that everybody wants to be Efrendi, so You have many barbarians. (OK, that was partially a joke )

[e30G]

Originally Posted by Dome

1. Marx aint support. I dont wanna see a marx spam cc spells. IM FED UP WITH STUPID MARX FREEZING THE TARGET I AMBUSHED!!!. If marx want cc spells use dizzy arrow, but I emphasize. DO NOT USE FREEZE unless you are running away from the target.

Sorry but I too believe that Marksmen are meant to support by complimenting warrior damage and by defending the team through picking out critical targets (mages and other ranged classes) at range. They can also deter enemy ranged units or rushing warriors through their damage.

Regnum's main damage dealers are supposed to be warriors and NGD is hoping to bring balance to that direction. They are the ones to deal the finishing blows. Ranged classes are meant to make warrior rushes possible and soften up their enemies to make warriors' jobs easier.

A well timed Winter Stroke can be a life saver. Don't blame the idiots that freeze targets for no reason. It's a perfectly good spell.

Originally Posted by Dome

2. Hunters are support. Hunters aint useless in fort fights. BUT. Most hunters on horus (dunno about ra) ARE usless. They just run around under SOTW shoting with their stupid bow, doing pathetic damage. And thats what marx are for.

Hunters are support yes. They share a bunch of CC spells with Marksmen in the Tricks tree as well as slow spells like Caltrops and Ensnaring. They have the added ability to sneak up and flank enemies and disrupt their lines well enough for warriors to rush in. Hunters like Namus, Milu and Compost do this pretty well. Also note what pets they bring along.

Originally Posted by Dome

3. Dupa is half right, and I would like to ask him to post a list of cc spells he as a warrior would like to see from a hunter/marx.

You should see how Marksmen like Minamoto, Xia, Lune, Anpu and Enio protect their allies through well a timed Winter Stroke, Burst of Wind, Ambush and other spells.

[Arafails]

Originally Posted by Dome

1. Marx aint support. I dont wanna see a marx spam cc spells. IM FED UP WITH STUPID MARX FREEZING THE TARGET I AMBUSHED!!!. If marx want cc spells use dizzy arrow, but I emphasize. DO NOT USE FREEZE unless you are running away from the target.

All classes are, in their own way, support. Winter stroke (and freeze, which is a warlock spell, btw) can be extremely effective for stopping a hunter from getting away from some chasing warriors.
Marks have some very useful CC spells, such as Lightning Arrow.

Originally Posted by Dome

2. Hunters are support. Hunters aint useless in fort fights. BUT. Most hunters on horus (dunno about ra) ARE usless. They just run around under SOTW shoting with their stupid bow, doing pathetic damage. And thats what marx are for.

And making it impossible to select the enemy with their giant f**king trolls.

Originally Posted by Dome

3. Dupa is half right, and I would like to ask him to post a list of cc spells he as a warrior would like to see from a hunter/marx.

All CC spells. Used properly. At the right time. On the right targets. It always depends on the flow of the battle.

[Pimousse]

I think Marksman are not only "support".

Yes Marksman have cc and range, so they are helpfull, like hunters (yes when they don't hide some targets with their stupid toltar). But here, hunters have more advantages, as said before. Note that barbs are support too, in the same way, since they have cc spells.

Marksman have too a lot of damaging spells, and a lot more than cc spells ! They can't spam them because of mana limitation, but they can kill fast when needed. They are marksman !

Well, i have too grind my marks now

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Originally Posted by Pimousse

I think Marksman are not only "support".

Of course, not only support. You probably missed my point totally.

Yes Marksman have cc and range, so they are helpfull, like hunters (yes when they don't hide some targets with their stupid toltar). But here, hunters have more advantages, as said before. Note that barbs are support too, in the same way, since they have cc spells.

You definitely missed my point. What is a range of barb CC spells?

Marksman have too a lot of damaging spells, and a lot more than cc spells ! They can't spam them because of mana limitation, but they can kill fast when needed. They are marksman !

But they try to spam! And they don't kill fast when needed. And they don't stop other realm players when needed, although they have tools.

Well, i have too grind my marks now

You are very good barb Pim, i hope you will be marks of the same quality.

[Dome]

Hunters are support yes. They share a bunch of CC spells with Marksmen in the Tricks tree as well as slow spells like Caltrops and Ensnaring. They have the added ability to sneak up and flank enemies and disrupt their lines well enough for warriors to rush in. Hunters like Namus, Milu and Compost do this pretty well. Also note what pets they bring along.

Compost acting support? You must be joking. If u want to mention a good support hunter in alsius than the name is Immune blue (or something like that). I dont know much about Poe, but I consider him a support hunter as well. As for compost, shooting from behind mages with parabolic shot is not supporting. He's only coming close if there are considerable amount of other targets around him to protect him.
While Mina is probably a pwnsome marx all I can say about his and any other marx(or locks for that matter) freeze that Im really annoyed when he just freeze a target infront of a captuered fort door that I have ambushed and is helplessly lying on the ground, and the only thing the enemy needs to do is click on the door wildly to escape. So all in all Minamoto and Compost are not supporting ppl while they r just shooting from the back. Even Klos is closer to a support with his lvl5 lightning arrow but i still wouldnt call him a support.

Conclusion: Just because a marx casts freeze arrow once per battle. doesnt make him a support.
And just because a marx have lower damage than a barb. that doesnt make him a support. Its just means marx have been nerfed way too much.
Oh and Enios setup is all about damage, with the exception of freeze arrow so he can run away under SOTW.
But you are right Dupa. You can hardly find a support hunter in ignis. because a lvl4/5 track wont make a hunter support.
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[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Originally Posted by Dome

Compost acting support? You must be joking. If u want to mention a good support hunter in alsius than the name is Immune blue (or something like that). I dont know much about Poe, but I consider him a support hunter as well. As for compost, shooting from behind mages with parabolic shot is not supporting. He's only coming close if there are considerable amount of other targets around him to protect him.

And that's fine. Thats much better than staying in the first line and dying fast.
Dead don't provide support fire.

While Mina is probably a pwnsome marx all I can say about his and any other marx(or locks for that matter) freeze that Im really annoyed when he just freeze a target infront of a captuered fort door that I have ambushed and is helplessly lying on the ground, and the only thing the enemy needs to do is click on the door wildly to escape. So all in all Minamoto and Compost are not supporting ppl while they r just shooting from the back. Even Klos is closer to a support with his lvl5 lightning arrow but i still wouldnt call him a support.

I disagree. Many times i had to retreat and cease my attack, due to being strongly attacked by those marks. The art of playing marks is to spare mana and power for best moment. They can do that

Conclusion: Just because a marx casts freeze arrow once per battle. doesnt make him a support.
And just because a marx have lower damage than a barb. that doesnt make him a support. Its just means marx have been nerfed way too much.

No! Ore for example played his marks today very well, giving cover and keeping enemy players in fort busy.

Oh and Enios setup is all about damage, with the exception of freeze arrow so he can run away under SOTW.
But you are right Dupa. You can hardly find a support hunter in ignis. because a lvl4/5 track wont make a hunter support.

Screwing up powers, and nerfs made that people can't really do a duty of their classes, cause that simply make no fun. We all play for fun, right?

[_Enio_]

Originally Posted by Dome

Oh and Enios setup is all about damage, with the exception of freeze arrow so he can run away under SOTW.

Where do you get this information from? Im playing http://www.tres-erres.com.ar/rg/?ver=Enio since ages (with minor changes from time to time). You rarely see me run a maxdmg config (19 LB)..