Could Syrtis borrow us some archers?

[Arafails]

Originally Posted by Dome

1. Marx aint support. I dont wanna see a marx spam cc spells. IM FED UP WITH STUPID MARX FREEZING THE TARGET I AMBUSHED!!!. If marx want cc spells use dizzy arrow, but I emphasize. DO NOT USE FREEZE unless you are running away from the target.

All classes are, in their own way, support. Winter stroke (and freeze, which is a warlock spell, btw) can be extremely effective for stopping a hunter from getting away from some chasing warriors.
Marks have some very useful CC spells, such as Lightning Arrow.

Originally Posted by Dome

2. Hunters are support. Hunters aint useless in fort fights. BUT. Most hunters on horus (dunno about ra) ARE usless. They just run around under SOTW shoting with their stupid bow, doing pathetic damage. And thats what marx are for.

And making it impossible to select the enemy with their giant f**king trolls.

Originally Posted by Dome

3. Dupa is half right, and I would like to ask him to post a list of cc spells he as a warrior would like to see from a hunter/marx.

All CC spells. Used properly. At the right time. On the right targets. It always depends on the flow of the battle.

[Pimousse]

I think Marksman are not only "support".

Yes Marksman have cc and range, so they are helpfull, like hunters (yes when they don't hide some targets with their stupid toltar). But here, hunters have more advantages, as said before. Note that barbs are support too, in the same way, since they have cc spells.

Marksman have too a lot of damaging spells, and a lot more than cc spells ! They can't spam them because of mana limitation, but they can kill fast when needed. They are marksman !

Well, i have too grind my marks now

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Originally Posted by Pimousse

I think Marksman are not only "support".

Of course, not only support. You probably missed my point totally.

Yes Marksman have cc and range, so they are helpfull, like hunters (yes when they don't hide some targets with their stupid toltar). But here, hunters have more advantages, as said before. Note that barbs are support too, in the same way, since they have cc spells.

You definitely missed my point. What is a range of barb CC spells?

Marksman have too a lot of damaging spells, and a lot more than cc spells ! They can't spam them because of mana limitation, but they can kill fast when needed. They are marksman !

But they try to spam! And they don't kill fast when needed. And they don't stop other realm players when needed, although they have tools.

Well, i have too grind my marks now

You are very good barb Pim, i hope you will be marks of the same quality.

[Dome]

Hunters are support yes. They share a bunch of CC spells with Marksmen in the Tricks tree as well as slow spells like Caltrops and Ensnaring. They have the added ability to sneak up and flank enemies and disrupt their lines well enough for warriors to rush in. Hunters like Namus, Milu and Compost do this pretty well. Also note what pets they bring along.

Compost acting support? You must be joking. If u want to mention a good support hunter in alsius than the name is Immune blue (or something like that). I dont know much about Poe, but I consider him a support hunter as well. As for compost, shooting from behind mages with parabolic shot is not supporting. He's only coming close if there are considerable amount of other targets around him to protect him.
While Mina is probably a pwnsome marx all I can say about his and any other marx(or locks for that matter) freeze that Im really annoyed when he just freeze a target infront of a captuered fort door that I have ambushed and is helplessly lying on the ground, and the only thing the enemy needs to do is click on the door wildly to escape. So all in all Minamoto and Compost are not supporting ppl while they r just shooting from the back. Even Klos is closer to a support with his lvl5 lightning arrow but i still wouldnt call him a support.

Conclusion: Just because a marx casts freeze arrow once per battle. doesnt make him a support.
And just because a marx have lower damage than a barb. that doesnt make him a support. Its just means marx have been nerfed way too much.
Oh and Enios setup is all about damage, with the exception of freeze arrow so he can run away under SOTW.
But you are right Dupa. You can hardly find a support hunter in ignis. because a lvl4/5 track wont make a hunter support.
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[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Originally Posted by Dome

Compost acting support? You must be joking. If u want to mention a good support hunter in alsius than the name is Immune blue (or something like that). I dont know much about Poe, but I consider him a support hunter as well. As for compost, shooting from behind mages with parabolic shot is not supporting. He's only coming close if there are considerable amount of other targets around him to protect him.

And that's fine. Thats much better than staying in the first line and dying fast.
Dead don't provide support fire.

While Mina is probably a pwnsome marx all I can say about his and any other marx(or locks for that matter) freeze that Im really annoyed when he just freeze a target infront of a captuered fort door that I have ambushed and is helplessly lying on the ground, and the only thing the enemy needs to do is click on the door wildly to escape. So all in all Minamoto and Compost are not supporting ppl while they r just shooting from the back. Even Klos is closer to a support with his lvl5 lightning arrow but i still wouldnt call him a support.

I disagree. Many times i had to retreat and cease my attack, due to being strongly attacked by those marks. The art of playing marks is to spare mana and power for best moment. They can do that

Conclusion: Just because a marx casts freeze arrow once per battle. doesnt make him a support.
And just because a marx have lower damage than a barb. that doesnt make him a support. Its just means marx have been nerfed way too much.

No! Ore for example played his marks today very well, giving cover and keeping enemy players in fort busy.

Oh and Enios setup is all about damage, with the exception of freeze arrow so he can run away under SOTW.
But you are right Dupa. You can hardly find a support hunter in ignis. because a lvl4/5 track wont make a hunter support.

Screwing up powers, and nerfs made that people can't really do a duty of their classes, cause that simply make no fun. We all play for fun, right?

[linearguild]

It's a bit silly to argue whether or not archers are support classes. All classes support each other. It's called teamwork. There is no "hero" class that shows up to win the battle and everyone else just provides buffs to make them awesome or whatever. It's just as selfish to think of other classes only in terms of providing support for your own.

The real question for all classes is, "What is the most effective thing I can do to help the team?" It often gives very different answers than asking, "What is the most effective thing I can do to get RP?"

[Gourmandine]

With all the respect I have for you Dupa and even if I understand your disappointment, you shouldn't make such topic here. Even if not read enough we have a realm forum for that kind of complain/request.
All you can expect as result here is to hurt people (with or without other realm help) and those who don't listen to advises in game won't pay attention to them here.


About Tyr people, I believe me must be patient. They must learn to play with such number of players around. We didn't learn to play in few days and we (at least I am) are still learning each day.

For those who are complaining about lack of pylon in war (was not the original point of the topic i know), it seems most of level 50 conjurers skill for it. Don't forget it has a long cooldown and limited area (so don't complain dying when you rush alone, anyway we can't follow you with our legs).

Note (OutOfTopic too) : once a conj has skilled for GH and MP (as most do), he has to choose between supporting mana (MC) and be able to dispell but being weak (no sorcery), supporting mana and have better defense (no dispell), or better defense and dispell (no mana com). We can't do all the task with one setup, don't forget it.

[_Enio_]

Originally Posted by Dome

Oh and Enios setup is all about damage, with the exception of freeze arrow so he can run away under SOTW.

Where do you get this information from? Im playing http://www.tres-erres.com.ar/rg/?ver=Enio since ages (with minor changes from time to time). You rarely see me run a maxdmg config (19 LB)..

[Arafails]

Originally Posted by _Enio_

Where do you get this information from? Im playing http://www.tres-erres.com.ar/rg/?ver=Enio since ages (with minor changes from time to time). You rarely see me run a maxdmg config (19 LB)..

Agree entirely. Enio's setup is really all about being the biggest prick possible in the most annoying manner ;P

[Dome]

Where do you get this information from? Im playing http://www.tres-erres.com.ar/rg/?ver=Enio since ages (with minor changes from time to time). You rarely see me run a maxdmg config (19 LB)..

Dunno. It was kinda like a trancendental feeling given by ur 600+ normal hits under acrobatics. BTW marx r ment to kill soft targets like locks quickly, they just got nerfed too much. But Enio seem to fullfill that role. He is just pretending to be humble.

Screwing up powers, and nerfs made that people can't really do a duty of their classes, cause that simply make no fun. We all play for fun, right?

Ur right about that, but that doesnt mean a hunter should skill with lvl5 lightness, lvl5specialist and lvl5 head of the packt just cuz that gives him the impression of being super awsome.

All classes support each other. It's called teamwork.

And this proves my point. In a weird kinda way. Anyway if u call marx support than u must call locks and barbs support since locks just cant cast a spell without a cc effect and nowdays barbs can only stay alive if they use some roars on the enemy. Nothing wrong with that though.

Something a bit different. While I see that ignis barbs r usually targeting lightly armored playes cuz they can kill them with 2 hits, syrtis warriors have a bad habit. I have seen it many times that they play whose got the bigger. Instead of charging and killing those damn overpowerd mages who spam a dozen spells at u in 3 seconds they go for other warriors just to show them they have higher damage.
Its annoying to see 4 warriors hacking a single knight under Ao1 while every single enemy can do whatever he wants. And than you see such conversation.

"Oh so cool barb of the century": Heh. Did u see? I did 500 dmg on that Ao1 noob with my SC.
"Ironically sarcastic hunter with a bit of cynicism": Yea. And u did kill him under 5:30. Thats a new record. Meanwhile ignis killed all our conjus, and took the fort. But u r really cool no doubt.

Dont tell me, I know. That stupid hunter didnt support those conjus.
The characters seen in this conversation are all figments of imagination. Anykind of similarity with real life characters are mearly coincidental. So u cant report me if ur that barb.

And something to have a happy ending. Cuz it sounds right.

"What is the most effective thing I can do to help the team?"

The only problem is that this...

"What is the most effective thing I can do to get RP?"
01-22-2010 10:47 PM

...sounds kinda right too.
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