Current state of the International Proletarian Revolution

[Arafails]

I do so wish a Proletarian uprising could actually work, but evidence shows that the nature of man makes it cause more harm than good.

Both the left boot and the right boot have a tendency, once placed on the foot, to sink into the mud.

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Originally Posted by Vythica

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Nice. Comrades Stalin and Lenin would be proud of you.
I really do think that we do not need political threads on this forum, even in The Inn section

[DkySven]

Every single revolution which is 'for the people' we see again and again that there are a few leading figures who want the power or attention and despite the good intentions of the uprising in most cases it ends in a dictatorship. Examples are the English civil war, the Russian revolution, the revolution at Cuba and so on.

[_Nel_]

Hmmm, not every single revolution, take a look at the Carnation Revolution:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution

[veluchami]

Originally Posted by DkySven

Every single revolution which is 'for the people' we see again and again that there are a few leading figures who want the power or attention and despite the good intentions of the uprising in most cases it ends in a dictatorship. Examples are the English civil war, the Russian revolution, the revolution at Cuba and so on.

Does it mean that people should give up? Does it mean we should live a spineless existence under the yoke of capitalist oppression? Aren't we obligated to our future generations to make the world a better place? Man wouldn't have been in the internet age had he given up his quest to control fire. He failed a lot but he kept trying till he succeeded. This quality called perseverance has defined mankind through out our evolution.

Let me tell a story. As a calf, a young bull is restrained by a very thin rope. It tries to break free but fails. But when it grows up it has the power to uproot the pole to which it is tied. But it doesn't try and thats how man domesticated the powerful bull. He fed it from his hands, it lost the confidence it could get food for itself. People are just domesticated now. Americans have grown mellow, insecure, hand-fed domesticated animals of the corporations. Thats why you dont see an american revolution nor will you in some time to come.

As long as the corporations can maintain their charade, this will continue. But when external debt gets out of control and inflation shoots sky high and the people are out on the streets hungry the revolution will begin. Blood will be shed. Remember french revolution? Hunger is what drives revolutions. Man, alas, is just an animal. Unless his wherewithals dry up and he is pushed to the corner he wont rise up. But that time will definitely come for America. So comrades out there, just hold on till then. We shall prevail !

[Henri_Freundlich]

Originally Posted by veluchami

Blood will be shed. Remember french revolution? Hunger is what drives revolutions. Man, alas, is just an animal.

Oh, yes. Exploiting other people's weaknesses to amplify your so-called "Revolution". You're no better than "Do No Evil" Google and their discrete policy flip-flop on China, telemarketers, scammers and nonreligious modern Cult gatherings.

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Edit: The aim of the French Revolution was to get rid of the single monarchy, who controlled everything.

Nowadays, corporations actively *compete* for our attention.

Making corporations and governments responsible for their dodgy activities is the key, in these modern times.
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Quoting Registeted Democrat Prokofy Neva again:

the proponents of these ideas basically have a temporary expediency agenda, and then a more radical agenda hidden underneath that, and at times, it isn't even so hidden.

Communism [...]often resort to murder to get their way

Radical "optimism" (formally prayer) is akin to the 10th-13th century Crusades.

[veluchami]

Originally Posted by Henri_Freundlich

Edit: The aim of the French Revolution was to get rid of the single monarchy, who controlled everything.

No. It was about changing a system. A system of monarchy. We need to change the system now, a system of corrupt corporations doing business in the most unsustainable way possible.

Why are you so hung up on words? The words communism, revolution, single class sytem doesnt mean anything. It is the notion that is more important.

[Godot]

Originally Posted by Dupa_z_Zasady

Nice. Comrades Stalin and Lenin would be proud of you.
I really do think that we do not need political threads on this forum, even in The Inn section

I think its the best thread I've yet seen on the forums.
+1 Vy for starting it (for what its worth I lean pretty far to the left also)
I dont think of it as a political thread even, its a concern for his fellow
beings; no matter their political affiliation.

addendum:

To start with, there are two different groups, we can get into more detail, but at the first level of approximation, there's two targets for propaganda. One is what's sometimes called the political class. There's maybe twenty percent of the population which is relatively educated, more or less articulate, plays some kind of role in decision-making. They're supposed to sort of participate in social life -- either as managers, or cultural managers like teachers and writers and so on. They're supposed to vote, they're supposed to play some role in the way economic and political and cultural life goes on. Now their consent is crucial. So that's one group that has to be deeply indoctrinated. Then there's maybe eighty percent of the population whose main function is to follow orders and not think, and not to pay attention to anything -- and they're the ones who usually pay the costs. ~ Noam Chomsky

To expand on this I think what Chomsky says is a truism and if the 80ish percent ever wake up
thats when revolution happens.

[veluchami]

Originally Posted by Godot

I think its the best thread I've yet seen on the forums.
+1 Vy for starting it (for what its worth I lean pretty far to the left also)
I dont think of it as a political thread even, its a concern for his fellow
beings; no matter their political affiliation.

+1 G. The terms 'communists' 'comrades' have been politicized. The issue in itself is a human rights problem. So you just search and replace the term 'communism' with 'human right activism' and 'comrades' with 'fellow human beings' the same people who vehemently oppose this thread would stand in queue to sign up... It just saddens me to see people who doesn't want to think and would just lap up all that's fed to them by the powers that be. :/ But as I said, hunger will overrule all that and make em see through all the bullshit

[DkySven]

People will by standard only do what's best for them or their loved ones. If that includes stealing from other people or denying other people access to certain resources they will handle that way. The idea of everybody being equal is a nice one, but because of the way people think, it will never work.

There's no good or bad in the world, only we and they.