Current state of the International Proletarian Revolution

[Godot]

Originally Posted by blood-raven

since lenin started the biggest slaughter party in whole history under the name of 'a no class society and better life for everyone' well, shorter life was perhaps better, i don't like enything that has to do with comi's.

regards

ok, from this statement we can gleen that you hate social security,medicare
for the elderly,medicaid for the poor, unemployment insurance for people that
have worked hard for years and are now in dire straights through no fault of
thier own, veterans benefits for soldiers that fought for your rights etc...
My question I guess is this; do you kick them into the gutter yourself or do you hire someone to do it for you ?

[Cuchulainn]

Originally Posted by DragoonEnNoir

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Quick question;
How would you define Communism? Are we talking theoretical dialectic here, or are we talking Communism as practiced, and if so, where?

Here is a defenition of communism and socialism.

Karl Marx defined communism as a final stage of the social development, in which the class differences are abolished.

Communism is only theoretical dialectic and nowhere practiced. Socialism is practiced in several countries for example in Venezuela, Kuba, Bolivia, Vietnam.

Also, what do you think a successful International Prol Revolution would lead to?

I believe that a succesful Prol. Revolution could lead to socialism. With this I mean nationalization of companies, fair distribution of goods depending on the performed work, democratic laws and decisions.

[Vythica]

Thanks everyone who participated one way or another in this thread. I'd like to see more discussion like this in the Inn.

[blood-raven]

Originally Posted by Godot

ok, from this statement we can gleen that you hate social security,medicare
for the elderly,medicaid for the poor, unemployment insurance for people that
have worked hard for years and are now in dire straights through no fault of
thier own, veterans benefits for soldiers that fought for your rights etc...
My question I guess is this; do you kick them into the gutter yourself or do you hire someone to do it for you ?

what the hell? i din't say i am against social movement, i sayed i am against communism because everywhere communism is at rule people tend to disapear a lot, if u say that communists where very peacefull, u realy need to get out of your room dude, and btw read before u post.

regards

[Vythica]

Originally Posted by blood-raven

what the hell? i din't say i am against social movement, i sayed i am against communism because everywhere communism is at rule people tend to disapear a lot, if u say that communists where very peacefull, u realy need to get out of your room dude, and btw read before u post.

regards

Wow. Just wow.

First off there really aren't any true communist countries on the planet and most socialist countries are in the state of flux between a capitalist economy and a communist one. Lenin said there would undoubtedly be "birth pangs" during these times and most socialist (at least the revolutionary ones) are experiencing these.

Secondly if you're going to criticize someone's intelligence remember these three things before you hit the Submit Reply button below.

Capitalization.
Punctuation.
Spelling.

[Godot]

Originally Posted by blood-raven

what the hell? i din't say i am against social movement, i sayed i am against communism because everywhere communism is at rule people tend to disapear a lot, if u say that communists where very peacefull, u realy need to get out of your room dude, and btw read before u post.

regards

If you're insinuating that capitalist countries are "safer" than any other
I challenge you to look up the per capita murder rates for any country
you choose and come back with a link confirming it.
This one stands out in my humble opinion.
link
I may have been presumptious to assume you equated socialism with
communism however; my apologies.

[blood-raven]

nope, i also never said that, i do said that where communists are at power there are a lot of people who die for it, and that is not because of the crime of some low-on-money people, it's of the f*cking gouverment, lenin and stalin have the blood of millions on there hand, there is a large mass grave near st petersburg where no one is allowed, u know what's in there? 100000 bodies of people who not agreed or simply 'did not fit' in those mad mens world, the exact number of dead in sovjet russia is not even known. i don't think u know but, i gues u know auchwitz? u know from anne frank, well the popular history sais that the russians 'liberated' the camp and left it all together, the truth is that the camp functioned further but now under sovjet rule, they even used the knowledge of german camps to build there own in siberia.

and look what china did whit tibet also there are lot's of prisons there filled with politic prisoners, remember the riot on the Tiananmen Square in 1989? where chinees thanks drove in on protesting students, but i must say, china is on the better hand since they start to have sence now and make comunism work in a good way. but there crimes still last.

i don't say enything about crime rathes, i'm just saying that i don't want communism as the form of rule in my country, since u tend to disapear when u don't like it, i think freedom of speach is the most dearest gift we have.

regards

btw, brussels is safe, lol never tought that

[blood-raven]

Originally Posted by Vythica

Wow. Just wow.

First off there really aren't any true communist countries on the planet and most socialist countries are in the state of flux between a capitalist economy and a communist one. Lenin said there would undoubtedly be "birth pangs" during these times and most socialist (at least the revolutionary ones) are experiencing these.

Secondly if you're going to criticize someone's intelligence remember these three things before you hit the Submit Reply button below.

Capitalization.
Punctuation.
Spelling.

1) there are some real communist countries remaining: north korea, cuba and vietnam.

2) i never criticized anyone's intelligence, i said that there is a difference between not liking commi's and not liking social services.

3) remeber not everyone is a english speaking person, some other languages do exist to and since i am one of the not english speaking persons there are spelling mistakes in my writing and i'm not going to worry where i put my comma, i think this is still a forum where u can express yourselves on your own account? if u are going to make such comments i think u need to think first before u click the submit button.

regards

[Cuchulainn]

Originally Posted by blood-raven

1) there are some real communist countries remaining: north korea, cuba and vietnam.

Those countries are socialist countries. Soviet Union was also a socialist republic. To read a definition about communism read my post above.

nope, i also never said that, i do said that where communists are at power there are a lot of people who die for it, and that is not because of the crime of some low-on-money people, it's of the f*cking gouverment, lenin and stalin have the blood of millions on there hand, there is a large mass grave near st petersburg where no one is allowed, u know what's in there? 100000 bodies of people who not agreed or simply 'did not fit' in those mad mens world, the exact number of dead in sovjet russia is not even known. i don't think u know but, i gues u know auchwitz? u know from anne frank, well the popular history sais that the russians 'liberated' the camp and left it all together, the truth is that the camp functioned further but now under sovjet rule, they even used the knowledge of german camps to build there own in siberia.

and look what china did whit tibet also there are lot's of prisons there filled with politic prisoners, remember the riot on the Tiananmen Square in 1989? where chinees thanks drove in on protesting students, but i must say, china is on the better hand since they start to have sence now and make comunism work in a good way. but there crimes still last.

I agree that these are bad examples of socialism, but this could also happen in countries with a capitalistic system. Bolivia is a nicer example for a socialism.

Socialism could also work with democratic laws, decisions and without human rights abuse of the goverment IMHO.

Capitalism is based on greediness, materialism, consumption, competition and exploitation of the nature. And its really not a guarantee for no abuse of human rights, especially not in police states where politicians think 99.9% of their citizens are potential terrorists.

[Vythica]

There have never been any true Communist states. Once Communism fully takes hold, the state becomes unnecessary and "withers away".

I also don't think your equation of Lenin to Stalin is well founded in fact.

I also don't think your using an example of the flaws of The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as an example of the flaws of Communism.

Also I don't disappear when I disagree, I have to go get exploited for 10 hrs a day so I can eat.