New Balance Update: Armor system fix (Stage 11)

Silent_Shadow · 08-31-2010, 06:43 PM

I don't know if it's just me or any marks with serpent bite, but on Amun I shot mobs and people with serpent bite(3). The duration damage was 0 every time. Also, the last time I was on there was a bit after stage 9 was put up and serpent bite worked perfectly.

-SilentS

doppelapfel · 08-31-2010, 07:56 PM

I guess NGD is still working on warriors mainly, nerfs to archers that are caused by stat- and armor changing for warriors might be fixed later when they really deal with archers. This is at least what i hope...

Ulti19 · 08-31-2010, 10:42 PM

Well we know that fights will last alot longer now

It is probably a bug and they will fix it. I can grind 100 mobs and not lose one hp point

I doubt that is what they intended lol. On the other hand, knights sure can tank now ^^ If this is intended, I suggest make defensive stance have 95% damage removal completely not just weapon damage. That way a knight will tank insanley but do actually 0 damage on other players. Also, disabling and armor debuffs can fix this problem abit. Armor value actually is important now, alot more so than before anyways. This makes a shield actually valuable, as well as high level armor ^^ It just needs tweaks.

Zas_ · 08-31-2010, 11:33 PM

Hmmm, i hope many steps are coming, because in the current state, petless hunter is just unable to do any serious harm with normals (it was hard with stage 10 and became very hard with stage 11).

You nerfed hunters a lot (speed, pet, spells, defense, normals, ...).

I don't think petless hunters are OP on Horus, but now on Amun, you made them unplayable (new spells are not enough to keep the fun imho).

Plus this new power system ....

And 0 dmg ....

That's just too much atm.

chilko · 09-01-2010, 12:38 AM

as I added to the original post... we turned off the min damage formula for testing purposes.

we found a lot of spells that where doing min damage because of a conceptual error in the armor system (DOTs for example)

TheMessenger · 09-01-2010, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chilko

as I added to the original post... we turned off the min damage formula for testing purposes.

we found a lot of spells that where doing min damage because of a conceptual error in the armor system (DOTs for example)

I guess its because I dont understand programming but how does making people do 0s help with testing? :/

chilko · 09-01-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMessenger

I guess its because I dont understand programming but how does making people do 0s help with testing? :/

it just does. we are debugging a system that has two formulas. We needed to remove one to verify the results of the other.

as always you should take AMUN as what it is, a development server with experimental stuff

Vaylos · 09-01-2010, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by chilko

as I added to the original post... we turned off the min damage formula for testing purposes.

we found a lot of spells that where doing min damage because of a conceptual error in the armor system (DOTs for example)

Chilko, thanks a bunch for taking the time to clarify. I think some of us didn't realize what exactly removing the minimum damage entailed for what we'd see on our end in the damage values. I've been keeping up to date with each stage, and I'm really really liking what I'm seeing in all aspects.

Truly, the balancing, and interaction with the player base has, in my honest opinion, seen some very good progress maybe the best ever, and I do hope to see a continuation of this as the game grows and evolves. I know this level of interaction is not the most efficient, and it doesn't -always- need to take place, but for major changes and balances, I think it helps a lot that devs and testers are consistently on the same page like this, and that information flow is adequate in both directions. I think it really helps with ensuring a good quality update.

I haven't had much chance to hop on Amun since my time doesn't allow for much these days, but I am truly looking forward to the changes. And I do try to hop on when I can. I've also been trying to hop on Horus more often in anticipation for when everything goes live.

I'm pretty much completely in agreement with Compost on the changes to hunter. My main character is a hunter. However, I cannot speak for barbarian or warlock since my characters aren't yet high enough level to really do any significant testing.

Looking forward to seeing how things progress from here, and it's looking great so far!

necroferos · 09-01-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chilko

as I added to the original post... we turned off the min damage formula for testing purposes.

we found a lot of spells that where doing min damage because of a conceptual error in the armor system (DOTs for example)

This mean that Sultar's Devouring Mass and Summon Lightning will do better damage? Because on Ra, the damage is very low.

Kaixo · 09-01-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chilko

as I added to the original post... we turned off the min damage formula for testing purposes.

we found a lot of spells that where doing min damage because of a conceptual error in the armor system (DOTs for example)

¿What kind of testing and feedback do you need?

08-31-2010, 10:42 PM	#3
Ulti19 Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 450	Well we know that fights will last alot longer now It is probably a bug and they will fix it. I can grind 100 mobs and not lose one hp point I doubt that is what they intended lol. On the other hand, knights sure can tank now ^^ If this is intended, I suggest make defensive stance have 95% damage removal completely not just weapon damage. That way a knight will tank insanley but do actually 0 damage on other players. Also, disabling and armor debuffs can fix this problem abit. Armor value actually is important now, alot more so than before anyways. This makes a shield actually valuable, as well as high level armor ^^ It just needs tweaks. __________________

08-31-2010, 11:33 PM	#4
Zas_ Count Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: France Posts: 1,024	Hmmm, i hope many steps are coming, because in the current state, petless hunter is just unable to do any serious harm with normals (it was hard with stage 10 and became very hard with stage 11). You nerfed hunters a lot (speed, pet, spells, defense, normals, ...). I don't think petless hunters are OP on Horus, but now on Amun, you made them unplayable (new spells are not enough to keep the fun imho). Plus this new power system .... And 0 dmg .... That's just too much atm. __________________ Annavilya / War-Luck (Haven)

08-31-2010, 07:56 PM	#2
doppelapfel Baron Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 715	I guess NGD is still working on warriors mainly, nerfs to archers that are caused by stat- and armor changing for warriors might be fixed later when they really deal with archers. This is at least what i hope...

09-01-2010, 12:38 AM	#5
chilko NGD·Studios Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 892	as I added to the original post... we turned off the min damage formula for testing purposes. we found a lot of spells that where doing min damage because of a conceptual error in the armor system (DOTs for example)