Lets talk about Haven

[Matrim]

I think that the agreement is that wmc quest could be changed to encourage moving from forts. I was on Haven today and asked alsius not to invade due to the low population and morale of the other realms. I got three different answers

1. "i need my WMC." Which is fair enough if you can't get them at forts you're going to go to the realm door. I think this is the most legit way of justifying an invasion.

2. "they're pussies who whine." this is probably the least progressive way to think about the problem. Yeah they whine, most people do when a situation is unfavourable i whine when i have to work overtime i whine when I have to do the washing up. When it comes to somthing you're supposed to enjoy then you quickly stop enjoying it. Lack of empathy is a trait of autism.

3. "We won the war." Not the first time someone has said this (i said it myself back when the syrtis zerg was unstoppable. I actually quit syrtis and went to the most unpopulated realm after that.) When the quality of the server is such that you have to invade with 8 people maybe less to get stuff done. No one is winning.

So i think what we need to do is ask Adrian if the WMC quest can be changed just for haven just to experiment and see what happens.

[ieti]

As ex Syrtis like you i can only feel sad about goats...

This is exactly how Syrtis was when they was on top and i heard same exact answers about other realms. Difference is Alsius was low on numbers and unexisting back then. Power is a sweet poison that can make you mad...

For exactly this reason and attitude i left Syrtis and moved to Ignis.

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Originally Posted by Matrim

I think that the agreement is that wmc quest could be changed to encourage moving from forts. I was on Haven today and asked alsius not to invade due to the low population and morale of the other realms. I got three different answers

Asking alsius not to invade low population realms will not work. They have been doing so for a very long time now.

Ever since the crafting update in November 2016 alsius has made 95 wishes, syrtis has made 16 and ignis has made 4. Currently, there is no morale in ignis and syrtis, day after day of stealing a gem and then waking up the very next morning to each realm being back with 2 gems each. It even reached the point where some players would log on, see that alsius made yet another wish; proceed to complain and log off shortly after.

Originally Posted by Adrian

Haven's problem is not about the updates being built for Ra and all those fallacies. Haven's problem is having only one solution: that the community hangs on until we can reach there: to that point in which we can actually move forward.

I spent far too much time being the only one online whilst 10+ alsius invaded freely for many months. Hopefully you reach that point sometime soon.

Also, the alsius excuse of 'we got invaded over and over in horus times, so we should be able to now' is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It will just make the server worse.

[ieti]

A big part of problem on Haven is critically low player morale. What usually bring morale down is underpopulation, invasions, fort farms.

To get people back some of morale breakers need to go away at least temporarily. Underpopulation is not what NGD can defeat easily, but invasions can be disabled temporarily until realms stabilize and forts can get without guard captains.

Open wars are good alternative to fort wars when things are farmy.

If we compare RA and Haven in regnum sentinel we can clearly see the disbalance:

https://www.regnumsentinel.com/en/haven/statistics/

Alsius have 265 invasions and 76 wishes on last 90 days. This is nearly dragon wish every day...

[Matrim]

Originally Posted by ieti

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I do agree that a stop to the constant invasions and the ability to let alsius just chill at a fort and get on with w/e without consequence could give the other realms breathing space. But it's not a fix for anything really unless people play and actively war again. Also saying this looking at the stats all realms CAN invade and have done all 3 having a wish within the last 30 days. Also looking at the farming statistics all realms can and do hold forts for quite a long amount of time. Though maybe alsius just invades when no one else is on at that time the war itself is very much not over on haven.

I think again we need to ask adrian what is actually possible because some of these changes to the game might not be possible to just effect 1 server (or it might i don't know) I know for a fact adrian is as fed up with the demands as we are giving them and i think we need to focus on what IS possible for them to do and if it's not a possible thing we as a community need to find a way to work around it.

1st is the warmaster coins reward kills in other places.

2nd is Mob spawn rate, can this be changed?

3rd realm gate immunity (i'm not entirely on board with this one as i think its mainly alsirian opportunism that gives them so many invasions compared to the others. This can quickly be crushed if players return)

[Cuchulainn]

Originally Posted by Matrim

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I think again we need to ask adrian what is actually possible because some of these changes to the game might not be possible to just effect 1 server (or it might i don't know) I know for a fact adrian is as fed up with the demands as we are giving them and i think we need to focus on what IS possible for them to do and if it's not a possible thing we as a community need to find a way to work around it.

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Some players like to invade other realms at offtime hours of the server, this issue exits since Horus/Haven invasion were introduced. NGD had an idea to prevent this and brought us the relic block. This feature was heavily criticized so NGD asked the community if they want it to be removed. A majority of players 72.15% were for the removal.

Relic Block feature

I suppose if this question is asked today - if we want such a feature back - the result could be quite contrary. Haven cannot nearly provide RvR fun a full day - so such a feature would make sense. Perhaps completely lock the relics the next few weeks on Haven and see how it affects the player morale. If it's not too much hassle for NGD.

[Matrim]

Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

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Well relic block doesn't really do anything to help now since relics aren't needed any more. I think people voted against this because invading during the wee hours is a legit tactic that takes co-ordination and everyone being involved those were fun.