New Balance Update: some BUG fixes and tweaks (Stage 5)

[Topogigio_BR]

Originally Posted by Umaril

Chilko not long ago said something to this effect (cba to go dig up the acctual quote)


Marks are a supporting part of an army, not a killing machine, you can skill in a damage/cc-support way to play well as part of a group. Or you can keep trying to play something which your class is not, a solo single target nuke machine.

Yes in 1v1 vs certain class's you will struggle, but who dosnt? Once you start working with other class's in RvR you are fine.

In the current balance ranged damage is to high, and the 'CC-support' thing gets lost because one or two ranged class can not only hold, but kill a target before the barb gets any of his own hits in.

A barb needs UM to get anywhere near a ranged class. If you can kill a barb without him ever getting near you then he has no impact on the fight whatsoever, he may as well just stand still and save you running about a bit. So giving yet move counters to UM is a big fat no. We already get spammed with beetle and slow downs without letting marks and locks freeze us as well.

With alternative for UM or otherways to reach a ranged class it wouldent be so bad. But for now this is out only tool to stop us becoming the plaything of ranged CC

So give us means to do support, instead of being the most mana consumable in game, and again support classes should have strong defense, is the same way with conjus and knights, if want us to be support give us all support tools.

But stay in the middles without having enough damage to be an attack class and not enoguh defense and mana to be support class is just unacceptable.

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by Gallus

So give us means to do support, instead of being the most mana consumable in game

Having both a 50 barb and 50 marks and having used them both plenty in war, believe me when I say that Barbs are by far the most mana-consuming class, bar none, when comparing most functional average class builds.

It takes an average barb 70-80% of his mana pool alone simply to fuel all his buffs. Factor in high-mana attacks and cc's and it is very possible a barb is completely out of mana after he fully buffs and gets off two attack spells.

That's why barbs, if they usually vie for max effectiveness (with both offensive/defensive buffs), have to sacrifice pretty much all of their mana in one sitting.

[Topogigio_BR]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

Having both a 50 barb and 50 marks and having used them both plenty in war, believe me when I say that Barbs are by far the most mana-consuming class, bar none, when comparing most functional average class builds.

It takes an average barb 70-80% of his mana pool alone simply to fuel all his buffs. Factor in high-mana attacks and cc's and it is very possible a barb is completely out of mana after he fully buffs and gets off two attack spells.

That's why barbs, if they usually vie for max effectiveness (with both offensive/defensive buffs), have to sacrifice pretty much all of their mana in one sitting.

But you are suppose to atack kyro. Problem is if marks could have a really good atack a kiling machine from distance as some said i wouldnt mind of spending all my mana.

But if i should have to support i need more mana to actually support. What i am really pissed of is not having one nor the other, and ppl saying that it should be that way.

[_Enio_]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

Having both a 50 barb and 50 marks and having used them both plenty in war, believe me when I say that Barbs are by far the most mana-consuming class, bar none, when comparing most functional average class builds.

It takes an average barb 70-80% of his mana pool alone simply to fuel all his buffs. Factor in high-mana attacks and cc's and it is very possible a barb is completely out of mana after he fully buffs and gets off two attack spells.

That's why barbs, if they usually vie for max effectiveness (with both offensive/defensive buffs), have to sacrifice pretty much all of their mana in one sitting.

The mana problem with marks is thy dont have mana reg in combat due to recharged costing mana per normal hit.

The mana problem with barbs is their buffs take such amounts of mana that theres not much left to use on tools.

How much mana you consume does greatly vary on your playstyle and situation, theres no need to name one "most" consuming class.
Id still pick my marks in a fort war when i had to, but you can play a marks easily in a way to not use as much, however the mana is always going down while fighting, thats marks specific.

[Topogigio_BR]

Originally Posted by _Enio_

The mana problem with marks is thy dont have mana reg in combat due to recharged costing mana per normal hit.

The mana problem with barbs is their buffs take such amounts of mana that theres not much left to use on tools.

How much mana you consume does greatly vary on your playstyle and situation, theres no need to name one "most" consuming class.
Id still pick my marks in a fort war when i had to, but you can play a marks easily in a way to not use as much, however the mana is always going down while fighting, thats marks specific.

Agree with you enio, i can deal with having high mana cost for beeing a damage class. What i can deal is having high mana cost for beeing a support class. And by the way where are those so called support spells for marks. The only one i see is lightening.

[Topogigio_BR]

If marks should be support than give more damage to hunter, for they to be the attack class of archers.
But probably same ppl will be against it.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by Gallus

But stay in the middles without having enough damage to be an attack class and not enoguh defense and mana to be support class is just unacceptable.

Acrobatic, evasive tactics, strategic, sotw ... This is not enough defence?

Etheral and Arcania are decent offence. And your normals (considering the range) are good without being ott.

[Topogigio_BR]

Originally Posted by Umaril

Acrobatic, evasive tactics, strategic, sotw ... This is not enough defence?

Etheral and Arcania are decent offence. And your normals (considering the range) are good without being ott.

compare it with ao1, steel skin energy barrier and some others to see is not good defense if you act like a support class. Plus all this is archer class the only good defense spell for marks is strategic position and still is far less than other support classes.