Serious out-of-balance with hunters

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by DemonMonger

personally i know hunter is not perfectly balanced until level 50.... same with warlock....

then they should be balanced at lower levels, don't you agree?

Originally Posted by cumeritaranes

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I feel too tired quoting all of the things but I think you are biased against me being a noob.

the advice I gave to use tricks a pet and longbow/shortbow was because of the offensiveness in it needed to counter a barbs offense, if he doesn't hit with his hammer, big deal he'll try again a bit later, nothing he needs mana for.

Plus he uses caution, something which can be countered with sudden strike, and dirty fighting when he gets up close(but I heard this doesn't really work that well.)
You use combat control spells which makes him unable to hit you or your pet while you and your pet is hitting him, although with unstoppable madness...

defensive doesn't mean run away from everything it means to fight defensively, before he was a marksman with tracking skills :]

taking care of the game? You should have seen what kind of things he infected the syrtis realm with then. But christ... I don't want this to be yet another we hate valorius rageway thread

Solarus, I think the problem with these spells is not the spells but well, when they do not hit it's kinda dull.
I most of the time try to use these combat control spells to disable an enemy. but I can't count on anything else than luck when dealing with some archers.

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

I feel too tired quoting all of the things but I think you are biased against me being a noob.

No, but you are biased against archers...

AWD, don't try to say a experienced player in his how to set up their setup when you are a nOOb in that class.

I am sure Valorius knows what setup is good against barbs...but this is maybe bad against other classes. You can't exspect to win against every class with a setup, every setup is weak against some classes and strong against others.

And...to use sudden strike in tricks, well...I think every archer has tricks o the level to use sudden strike and ambush

And yes, Val takes care of the game. But ppl like you made him to leave, even when I have to admit I were very harsh to him too. But if someone is saying crap you have to be rude sometimes.

Actually Val brought some tactics to syrtis. Since he left the game syrtis became very weak...

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

No, but you are biased against archers...

nono, I'm biased against archerevasion XD

Originally Posted by cumeritaranes

but this is maybe bad against other classes. You can't exspect to win against every class with a setup, every setup is weak against some classes and strong against others.

I know this

Originally Posted by cumeritaranes

And...to use sudden strike in tricks, well...I think every archer has tricks o the level to use sudden strike and ambush

although distracting shot would be useful too and on a higher level these would be even more useful, and caltrops arrow to slow them down, well ensnaring arrow can be used too.

Originally Posted by cumeritaranes

Actually Val brought some tactics to syrtis. Since he left the game syrtis became very weak...

actually I experienced syrtis using tactics after he left.

[DkySven]

To be honest, I never ever saw a group of Syrteans, who was with more then 5 people using tactics.

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by asdfghs

To be honest, I never ever saw a group of Syrteans, who was with more then 5 people using tactics.

Because you didn't seen conj... emmm mage army
1hunter 2conj 2 warlocks and we used hunter tactic - escaping as long as pinos save was far enough to kill tontin and 3 other archers wanted to kill us :>

[mann2411]

awd ive told you time and time again hunters dont want to use shortbows the ones that do are really skilled players but the fact being that if a hunters sitting their getting shield pierced from 30 metres away he doesnt want to have to run up to him to be able to hit

the one tactic syrtis has ever needed was "wait for more people because more people are on their way wait for them" but no i get some spanish/english speaker to say this in spanish but no they run in get raped run back run in get raped continuously.

the only time ive ever seen this tactic work was when val was around and guess what we broke the gate within 5 seconds absolutly slaughtered alsius and lost no one

[Vaylos]

Well, on the whole escapist issue, why not just implement what every MMO and it's great aunt has done, and slow movement for all classes by 50% when their HP falls below 25%? This would make it MUCH harder for hunters (or any other class for that matter) to get away successfully if they wait too long. This also forces all classes to decide whether to fight or flee much sooner in battle, which means they have to realize sooner whether or not they are out matched. Otherwise, you're pretty much committed, for better or worse.

As for camo, I like the longer time, but I agree that it should be interruptable during casting, so it would be much harder to cast in battle. Also, seeing as it's considered offensive, it probably shouldn't be castable while under SoW. But I like the direction the hunter has taken as being more of a stealther class than it has in the past. We're kinda sneaky...a la Thief...at least that's how I look at it...

And for the record, though I'm only lvl 29 on my hunter, I'm still loving the shortbow. It complements my setup quite well so far. I may switch to a med speed longbow for war, but I don't know...I don't like the skill tree in longbow as much. ...might just throw some extra points into long to keep as a backup. Guess I'll have to test things later to see what works.

I have to say though, in past experience playing lightly armored classes (nightshade on DAoC) since we tend to take damage out the arse, evasion is key, although...it seems to me so far, that the way evasion is implemented right now is a bit.....wierd. It doesn't seem to be a steady thing, more like you either evade a heckuva lot in a fight...or hardly at all, and that seems wrong to me. I mean there should be some variation sure, but this is like night and day. Wonder if NGD over-engineered the dice roller. o.O I've always been fond of principles of KISS when it comes to random number generation. Nothing fancy, just make sure it -works- and that it -works well-

I might delete-recreate my barb as well, and take a more Dex oriented approach to see if that improves the evade rates a bit. -ponder-

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by Vaylos

Well, on the whole escapist issue, why not just implement what every MMO and it's great aunt has done, and slow movement for all classes by 50% when their HP falls below 25%?

good idea but it would make ppl with low hp even dieing faster because they are doomed with it. For melee classes in big wars this would be a realy bad advantage.

Originally Posted by Vaylos

Also, seeing as it's considered offensive, it probably shouldn't be castable while under SoW.

It is not necessary to change son of the wind. Just change camo that it's casting is canceled when beeing attacked. Same mechanism than when you try to log out while under attack.

[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

then they should be balanced at lower levels, don't you agree?


I feel too tired quoting all of the things but I think you are biased against me being a noob.

the advice I gave to use tricks a pet and longbow/shortbow was because of the offensiveness in it needed to counter a barbs offense, if he doesn't hit with his hammer, big deal he'll try again a bit later, nothing he needs mana for.

Plus he uses caution, something which can be countered with sudden strike, and dirty fighting when he gets up close(but I heard this doesn't really work that well.)
You use combat control spells which makes him unable to hit you or your pet while you and your pet is hitting him, although with unstoppable madness...

defensive doesn't mean run away from everything it means to fight defensively, before he was a marksman with tracking skills :]

taking care of the game? You should have seen what kind of things he infected the syrtis realm with then. But christ... I don't want this to be yet another we hate valorius rageway thread

Solarus, I think the problem with these spells is not the spells but well, when they do not hit it's kinda dull.
I most of the time try to use these combat control spells to disable an enemy. but I can't count on anything else than luck when dealing with some archers.

there is no way you can be perfectly balance for war alone until you are level 50, however, you can be perfectly balance for war IF you have other people around you that have complimentary skills to what you. I mean this... if you dont have the level you will need more support. but to have all the power alone before level 50 .... its just not going to happen... you will need every skill point and dicipline point you can find to be balanced....
so no i dont agree that a low level crap should be able to run in and stop higher levels .... these same low level people are here crying now.... for the last time... go level up .. gain skill points... then you will find your balance problem lies within yourself and not the setup of the game...

angel i do not think you are a noob... i just feel you dont have all the skills you will need yet...

i lost to a lvl 39 warlock when i was fully buffed... because i felt... that there was no way i would lose to an unranking level noob.... i stood there.. and didnt manually try to evade anything... i relied totally on the buffs i casted... spell elude.. and acrobatics... this mage raped me with 80% life left.... first he did barrer, meteor, sultars, golem fist... all three hit me.. and i was dead... in les than 10 seconds... lvl 39 vs lvl 50 ... noob is a state of mind.. and at that point in time i was noob for underestimating him...

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by DemonMonger

so no i dont agree that a low level crap should be able to run in and stop higher levels .... these same low level people are here crying now.... for the last time... go level up .. gain skill points... then you will find your balance problem lies within yourself and not the setup of the game...

they won't be able to either, I just think it's the player which should determine the end of the fight. But how he uses his skills, powers, and fights, if he fights bad he will lose if not he will win.

Originally Posted by demonmonger

angel i do not think you are a noob... i just feel you dont have all the skills you will need yet...

thank you very much, and the same back at you, the only point where I do not like you is when you assault me while I'm eating.
Although I have raped higher levels now, just not when they had the chance spells. Hell I even raped two level 50 warlocks

Originally Posted by demonmonger

i lost to a lvl 39 warlock when i was fully buffed... because i felt... that there was no way i would lose to an unranking level noob.... i stood there.. and didnt manually try to evade anything... i relied totally on the buffs i casted... spell elude.. and acrobatics... this mage raped me with 80% life left.... first he did barrer, meteor, sultars, golem fist... all three hit me.. and i was dead... in les than 10 seconds... lvl 39 vs lvl 50 ... noob is a state of mind.. and at that point in time i was noob for underestimating him...

ouch...