Serious out-of-balance with hunters

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Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

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You see that my argumetn about power points is valid? To bad I hardly see someone admitting for beeing wrong.

You know what? This outrageous bug saved many many lvling players. It is so easy to talk about other sublass while you have 19lvl evasion tree and barb dmg. I assume that you don't want changes in DS?
Well if this bug will be fixed than fine. I will have more points for my pet which is killed constantly by lower lvls or for higher evasion. np. I will adapt :]

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Originally Posted by zielski

You know what? This outrageous bug saved many many lvling players. It is so easy to talk about other sublass while you have 19lvl evasion tree and barb dmg. I assume that you don't want changes in DS?
Well if this bug will be fixed than fine. I will have more points for my pet which is killed constantly by lower lvls or for higher evasion. np. I will adapt :]

still no admitting for being wrong. Then I cannot help you

and don't come up with marksman and barb and stuff, it realy belongs not in this topic. But to DS: You know what? When a marks casts it on an enemy a hunters damage increases as well :P I asked you to make a whining thread about DS, but it seems you lack on arguments about it. And hey...only because we pissed you off yesterday at Algaros where I showed you the possebilities of sotw you don't need to start to whine...yeah, you whine becasue we killed you and your comrades yesterday....because I used sotw...lol, you make me laughing.

barb damage...lol...that says a hunter which pet can make up to 800 dmg...imagine you would use sudden strike on the target...your pet would do up to 1200 dmg with criticals....just learn how to use your skills.

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Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

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possebilities of sotw you don't need to start to whine...yeah, you whine becasue we killed you and your comrades yesterday....because I used sotw...lol, you make me laughing.

Arguments ad personam? You have no other? We didn't died cause your sotw sweety. And about DS sure, i have no arguments you got me. You know what i am not like you and i will not whine :]

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Originally Posted by zielski

Arguments ad personam? You have no other? We didn't died cause your sotw sweety. And about DS sure, i have no arguments you got me. You know what i am not like you and i will not whine :]

but actually you whined when I exposed the tracking bug...you whined about marksmans DS already.

Arguments ad personam....well, you are the person that hates sotw (as you stated in another thread) and called my char a marks with maxed evasion and barb power...and you know this because we fought yesterday at Algaros...I never faced you before ingame.
And I don't need arguments, I told them all...and I were right about buged tracking skill and you were wrong. Nothing more to add

To blood:

I think I didn't get all your words right but I try to response with this, what I posted in another thread

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

One and only proplem with hunters is the fact they can flee from every fight, no other class can do it, even barbs with onslaught have problems to do so...a barb chased by 2 barbs or chased by a barb and a hunter cannot escape...a hunter chased by 2 barbs and one ranged class can escape easily. To the argument that you have to prey that no normal attack comes trough sotw:

1) archers have highest charakter evasion in game, hunters which use short bow often have even higher since they use dex passive.
2) cast sotw and dodge + your normal charakter evasion and it is almost 100% evade chance. I dunno how the evade layers work, if they stack or you have to pass them one after another one, but the chance to evade is realy high. Oh, and when you say your evade chance is still to low then put points in cat reflexes and you will evade even more...just learn to use your skill and a hunter can flee 99% of the time.

But yes, DM, you are right, when dispell will come in the game we will see how it works then. But atm I can understand the people who complain, there is no need to expose them not to think or whatever. They are just pissed that a hunter can choose if he fight or not..that there is almost no way to get him when you see him out of your weapon range a hunter can escape 99%...no other class has this success rate. Now you can argument that hunters are made for this, sure...but 99% is a bit high.

Hunters are not overpowered, they are well balanced in my opinion, except the camo with sotw. Either camo is used mainly to attack or to escape. Having both possiblities with such a powerful and unique spell would be a bit too much power for it. That's my point atm, it may channge when dispell is implemented.

I agree that hunters got a new weapon with the new camo and for this old ones has to be readjusted. NGD tried to readjust it with a high casting time of camo time and making camo cancel with normal hits. What they maybe missed (just a guess, could be also intended) is that you can still use camo easily to escape when you use sotw before.

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Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

but actually you whined when I exposed the tracking bug...you whined about marksmans DS already.

Can you define whining then?

If NGD will fix this spell - fine as long as they will watch mana and casting time.

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Originally Posted by zielski

Can you define whining then?

Your answers when I said surveillance is buged and that this bug gives hunter a an advantage:

Originally Posted by zielski

3rd thing is that it [tracking] can be jammed: rocks trees and stalked hunter ;p

Originally Posted by zielski

BTW i am thinking that pets will be next :] First was confuse - old spell but suddenly it is a problem, then camu, evasion + speed, then camu+sotw, now tracking. Yeap pets will be next.

Your response when it was clear to all of us that surveillance is buged and I said that a fix would make hunters loosing only some power.

Originally Posted by zielski

Some? I just wait till DS will have -100% evasion and 60sec cooldown :]

Come on, let's stop it...you were wrong when defending your tracking spells and that's it.

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Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

Your answers when I said surveillance is buged and that this bug gives hunter a an advantage:

Maybe you didn't notice that i also said that this spell is buged more than you think. lvl it up it to 5 and try it in wz.