Serious out-of-balance with hunters

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by zielski

Arguments ad personam? You have no other? We didn't died cause your sotw sweety. And about DS sure, i have no arguments you got me. You know what i am not like you and i will not whine :]

but actually you whined when I exposed the tracking bug...you whined about marksmans DS already.

Arguments ad personam....well, you are the person that hates sotw (as you stated in another thread) and called my char a marks with maxed evasion and barb power...and you know this because we fought yesterday at Algaros...I never faced you before ingame.
And I don't need arguments, I told them all...and I were right about buged tracking skill and you were wrong. Nothing more to add

To blood:

I think I didn't get all your words right but I try to response with this, what I posted in another thread

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

One and only proplem with hunters is the fact they can flee from every fight, no other class can do it, even barbs with onslaught have problems to do so...a barb chased by 2 barbs or chased by a barb and a hunter cannot escape...a hunter chased by 2 barbs and one ranged class can escape easily. To the argument that you have to prey that no normal attack comes trough sotw:

1) archers have highest charakter evasion in game, hunters which use short bow often have even higher since they use dex passive.
2) cast sotw and dodge + your normal charakter evasion and it is almost 100% evade chance. I dunno how the evade layers work, if they stack or you have to pass them one after another one, but the chance to evade is realy high. Oh, and when you say your evade chance is still to low then put points in cat reflexes and you will evade even more...just learn to use your skill and a hunter can flee 99% of the time.

But yes, DM, you are right, when dispell will come in the game we will see how it works then. But atm I can understand the people who complain, there is no need to expose them not to think or whatever. They are just pissed that a hunter can choose if he fight or not..that there is almost no way to get him when you see him out of your weapon range a hunter can escape 99%...no other class has this success rate. Now you can argument that hunters are made for this, sure...but 99% is a bit high.

Hunters are not overpowered, they are well balanced in my opinion, except the camo with sotw. Either camo is used mainly to attack or to escape. Having both possiblities with such a powerful and unique spell would be a bit too much power for it. That's my point atm, it may channge when dispell is implemented.

I agree that hunters got a new weapon with the new camo and for this old ones has to be readjusted. NGD tried to readjust it with a high casting time of camo time and making camo cancel with normal hits. What they maybe missed (just a guess, could be also intended) is that you can still use camo easily to escape when you use sotw before.

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

but actually you whined when I exposed the tracking bug...you whined about marksmans DS already.

Can you define whining then?

If NGD will fix this spell - fine as long as they will watch mana and casting time.

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by zielski

Can you define whining then?

Your answers when I said surveillance is buged and that this bug gives hunter a an advantage:

Originally Posted by zielski

3rd thing is that it [tracking] can be jammed: rocks trees and stalked hunter ;p

Originally Posted by zielski

BTW i am thinking that pets will be next :] First was confuse - old spell but suddenly it is a problem, then camu, evasion + speed, then camu+sotw, now tracking. Yeap pets will be next.

Your response when it was clear to all of us that surveillance is buged and I said that a fix would make hunters loosing only some power.

Originally Posted by zielski

Some? I just wait till DS will have -100% evasion and 60sec cooldown :]

Come on, let's stop it...you were wrong when defending your tracking spells and that's it.

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

Your answers when I said surveillance is buged and that this bug gives hunter a an advantage:

Maybe you didn't notice that i also said that this spell is buged more than you think. lvl it up it to 5 and try it in wz.

[Hell_bound]

You know it's really hard for me to watch this thread live on while not wanting to attack some people here.

It really is, but I will refrain.

I think the issue here has been settled by Urgit providing links that what NGD thoughts are on these issues, which also shows that anyone that keeps talk about this issue just loves to beat a dead horse.

Yet it saddens me that even when facts have been displayed that NGD knows about the issues and is looking into ways of fix them that people here are so willing to keep whining.

This, whether you believe it or not, only shows the lack of faith you people have in NGD. But what can I say, whine on I guess?

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by zielski

Maybe you didn't notice that i also said that this spell is buged more than you think. lvl it up it to 5 and try it in wz.

oh man, you whine again when you say this, because the bug I exposed gave an advantage, the bugs (whatever they are) you mention are bugs which give you a disadvantage.

Yeah Hell_bound, thanks to Urgit we know what is about the spell surveillance but zielski didn't admit he were wrong up to now. He does not need to do, it is obvious enough he were wrong. But he still argues with me...I dunno why. He says things like this:

Originally Posted by zielski

It is so easy to talk about other sublass while you have 19lvl evasion tree and barb dmg. I assume that you don't want changes in DS?

That realy teases me to respond because this shows me he is angry that I exposed this bug...because he has advantage from it. Sometimes it is better to discuss and respond than to be quite. This way ppl maybe will change their mind because this way you can convict somebody to be wrong step by step. Maybe you can remember this hell_bound

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

Yeah Hell_bound, thanks to Urgit we know what is about the spell surveillance but zielski didn't admit he were wrong up to now. He does not need to do, it is obvious enough he were wrong. But he still argues with me...I dunno why.

Does it really who is right or wrong? Right now you, CumeriTarenes, are pushing the issue because you want to be right.

Remember, a person need not force his opinion on others, even when he his is right, just sow the seeds and move on. In time people will know who was or wasn't right. Without or without you beating a dead horse.

And this was why I originally gave up on my idea to fight fire with fire. And no, CumeriTarenes, it wasn't you alone that pointed out the flaws of me using the tw** word, but others as well.

Please you are starting to get up on that high horse again...

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

Does it really who is right or wrong? Right now you, CumeriTarenes, are pushing the issue because you want to be right.

Remember, a person need not force his opinion on others, even when he his is right, just sow the seeds and move on. In time people will know who was or wasn't right. Without or without you beating a dead horse.

And this was why I originally gave up on my idea to fight fire with fire. And no, CumeriTarenes, it wasn't you alone that pointed out the flaws of me using the tw** word, but others as well.

Please you are starting to get up on that high horse again...

yes, you are propably right, I will stop to argue with him about this unimportant things. And yes, you are right, I want to be right. But everyone who brings up arguments wants to be right. And yes, we beat a dead horse. Sorry for that...but sometimes I cannot resist to reply. But I will try to controll myself better in future


Edit: I just saw this post made me "Master". Thx to all that teased me to respond to their posts :P

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

oh man, you whine again when you say this, because the bug I exposed gave an advantage, the bugs (whatever they are) you mention are bugs which give you a disadvantage.

Just go, check and say that it gives to hunter more than it should. :]
Can you define whining in other way then just " All what you say/write is whining cause i said so!" ?

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by zielski

Just go, check and say that it gives to hunter more than it should. :]
Can you define whining in other way then just " All what you say/write is whining cause i said so!" ?

stop it! Read better, I explained it more than one time that the buged spell enemy surveillance gives an advanzage to hunters because it scans 360 degree and not 45 degree. For that you save powerpoints. When you want to have the same tracking skills than now you have to spend more power points in it when it will be fixed.

Also when I said hunters will loose only "some" power with it you asked : "only some? Then I wait for death sentence beeing nerfed". That means you already admitted it gives an advantage now.

And now stop it! I don't wanna beat a dead horse like hell_bound said. When you are clever you stop the discussion, I will now. It is a bug, there is nothing more to say!